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 The Pope & Climate Change (13)

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The Pope & Climate Change

 I believe the pope is making a disastrous mistake in putting his voice into the argument about climate change being man-made or not and can we do anything about it or not. In my opinion CC has nothing to do with the Catholic Church are any other church. 
 Nor do I believe it's appropriate for the pope to comment on different kinds of economic systems what's that got to do with religion?
 I believe that in his zeal to make the church more relevant in today's world he's instead going to destroy it. 
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Climate change has numerous potential moral repercussions, as does a decision towards action or inaction in response to it. The Catholic Church, as with any religion really, presents a moral system that it is ostensibly incumbent upon it to uphold. If the Pope regards the consequences of inaction in the face of climate change to bear upon Catholic morality then he is not only justified in interjecting his views but arguably obliged to do so. The same might readily be said for any issue with moral repercussions (so, really, any issue).

To be clear, though, while I think the expression is arguably consistent with the moral framework of the religion and therefore valid I am not personally enthusiastic about religious intervention in state affairs (or anything else for that matter). I also do not share a faith in morality, but that too is another matter of discussion irrelevant to the integrity of the Pope in this context.

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I disagree. If we limit what people say to only what they are qualified to discuss we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

daver(1771) Clarified
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Yeah but:

Great importance is attached to anything The pope may say. With this in mind he should of course have his own opinions but coming out in talking to his followers about his personal opinions have nothing to do with the church and it's likely to create unwanted divisions within the church

Cartman(18192) Clarified
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Great importance is attached to anything The pope may say.

This debate proves otherwise.

With this in mind he should of course have his own opinions but coming out in talking to his followers about his personal opinions have nothing to do with the church and it's likely to create unwanted divisions within the church

Stop pretending that you are concerned about the division in the church.

GenericName(3429) Clarified
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But this isn't really a personal opinion, at least when it comes to Climate Change. This is something that has the weight of the global scientific community behind it and stands in the way of us being responsible caretakers of our home, which was given to us by god (obviously arguing this from the stance of a Christian, not personal beliefs). That has everything to do with the Church.

It's the Pope's job to go around making banal speeches about problems which the entire world is only too well aware. As he nor his God can do anything to help resolve this, or any of our many self made troubles it's our job not to listen to him. But as the supercilious little man does seem to enjoy himself so much traveling the globe in his gold braided robes addressing the mindless masses it would be a shame to try to stop him.

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gold braided robes

You aren't even talking about the current pope. Get with the times man.

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He has been photographed going to the toilet in his gold braided robes, mitre, gold speckled long johns all of which which tone in with his gold plated toilet seat and gold rimmed peek a boo two way mirror. He's not known as Pope Francis the Midas for nothing.

The Pope is supposed to be the human voice of God for his Church. According to Christianity, god made the Earth as a home for humanity. If that's the case, how is climate change NOT an appropriate topic for the pope? According to Christianity, we are to be the shepherds of this planet, and therefore he would be incredibly irresponsible to not discuss issues harming the planet. In that sense, Climate Change is one of the main topics the Pope should be discussing.

As for economic systems, that makes perfect sense as well. If the Pope truly believes the certain economic systems are harming people or are leading people astray, then it would be the Pope's responsibility to criticize and discuss them in order to fully live up to his responsibilities to God.

Just because you my have some partisan (I don't mean that in the negative sense of the word) disagreements with what he is saying doesn't mean he lacks legitimacy when discussing the matters.

daver(1771) Clarified
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Yeah well:

The reaction to his opinions (and they are opinions rather than absolute truth) are not positive among Catholics or Christians. He risks the reverence of his position by entering into such matters of men as these.

GenericName(3429) Clarified
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Since when is the Pope supposed to determine his views based on the consensus of others? That seems antithetical to the position.

GenericName(3429) Clarified
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Additionally, this Pope's approval rating is incredibly high, so where are you getting information that indicates the reaction to his opinions are not positive?

daver(1771) Disputed
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If the Pope truly believes the certain economic systems are harming people or are leading people astray, then it would be the Pope's responsibility to criticize and discuss them in order to fully live up to his responsibilities to God

It seems to me that such reasoning opens the door for religious leaders to try and influence societies on practically any subject. I believe that is similar to how Mohamed began Sharia is it not..

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The Catholic Church beat Mohammad and Sharia by like 800 years on that.

Edit: Correction, about 600 years.

dadman(1691) Disputed
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there is no such thing as a biblical pope ..... http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/Sermons/90-291 <

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Semantics. The Pope is the position created to take up Peter's role after the death of Christ. The position itself is in the Bible even though the word "Pope" isn't. The only aspect of the Pope that isn't in the bible would be his position as the Archbishop of Rome.

Can You see how that polluting and contaminating of the environment is one of the main ways that America survives.

America, who has defended and is still defending herself today - it is following / after WW ll - 70 years later we are still forced to contaminate, pollute, smog and filthy up the environment - to continue on to fight endless continual wars against the ALLIANCES of communism, socialism and Islam today.

This war is not only physical - but even an economical and a political and even a financial war today.

THE FACT IS - we needed to pollute, we needed to contaminate and be destructive to the environment just for us and our allies to survive, endure and go on with our daily lives and continue to exist and stay alive - and our pollution and contamination output and harming of the air, water, soil and environment was the only way that we can possibly keep up with the oncoming attacks - and the only choice we have in winning these wars and surviving.

This was and is a matter of survival - as Germany, Italy and Japan mass produced their weapons and powered up their economy - with polluting and contaminating factories, industrial plants and factories and industries to produce their weapons, in order to attack and wage a bloodbath and exterminate and butcher and murder their neighbors.

This was just 70 years ago - that - The United States - American people were forced into also producing their weapons and economy and energy in order to defend ourselves and survive and protect all of our European and global allies. AND THIS WAS NECESSARTY AND AN EMERGENCY AND A MUST

that we - pollute and , that we contaminate and destroy the environment and mass produce factories, industrial plants and factories and industries to produce the economy and the weapons and tools and weapons technology and the materials .

We did not start the war and we have been defending and fighting the civil wars of our allies in Korea, and Vietnam – defending The countless arising Muslim governments in civil wars.

And defending ourselves - don’t You ever allow - the demented, perverted and political prostitutes of Democrat party of socalism - or Popes and Liberal Socialist who are Ignorant liars - to make You feel bad for working hard and maintaining Your economy and for being industrially equipped and economically and fanatically and ready - and prepared …..

The fact is - the more we pollute - the more we wreck the environment - the more poison and contaminants and pollution, toxic waste, greenhouse gasses, smog, fumes and litter and garbage and trash that we pump into the environment - The more American lives we save and the more we have of a chance to survive and continue our lives. The better the economy - the better the military - and the better we are at standing up equipped and prepared and ready economically - against an attack as our enemies are lying in wait for an opportunity to strike again.