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The Role Of The Conservative Elite In The Nazi Rise To Power

Von Papen agreed with the conservative elite that Germany needed an authoritarian leader to stabilise the country. He called for another election in November 1932, hoping to strengthen the frontier against communism and socialism.


What do our resident Holocaust deniers have to say about the role of the Conservative elite in the Nazi rise to power? 

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Oh that link leads to some very interesting reading. I've always been particularly interested in the crucial role propaganda played in the Nazi's rise to power and I've been watching it emulated here by Fox news and all the rest of the Reich wing garbage fake news outlets. The science of capturing weak minds just scares the hell out of me because of how incredibly effective it is and having seen how effective it has been in this country is dismaying to say the least.

I don't understand why there hasn't been more written about this. I've been expecting psychologists to make more noise about it but it hasn't happened yet.

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Oh that link leads to some very interesting reading. I've always been particularly interested in the crucial role propaganda played in the Nazi's rise to power and I've been watching it emulated here by Fox news and all the rest of the Reich wing garbage fake news outlets. The science of capturing weak minds just scares the hell out of me because of how incredibly effective it is and having seen how effective it has been in this country is dismaying to say the least.

Horrifying, I agree. We did almost a full year on Nazi propaganda in school, so it is simply baffling to see it being used again in a modern context. I just assumed everybody had learned enough about it to recognise it, but alas apparently that is not so. Maybe we just had a good history teacher.

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TurtleFred(2) Disputed Banned
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In his memoir, written in 1952, Franz von Papen recalls his appointment as German chancellor in mid-1932:

"On 26 May 1932 I received a telephone call from General von Schleicher who asked me to come to Berlin on an argent matter… He told me it was the President’s wish to form a cabinet of experts, independent of the political parties.

Bruning had insisted, so Schleicher told me. that he would never sit at the same table as the National Socialists

https://alphahistory.com/weimarrepublic/ appointment-of-franz-von-papen-1932/

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If we don't pay attention to history, we're bound to repeat it.

Today the conservative elite,

Is trying to repeat,

If we don't get them beat,

We are likely .... dead meat. ;-)

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TruthPolice(28) Disputed Banned
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If we don't pay attention to history, we're bound to repeat it

True. ANTIFA and the left are burning books, censoring opposition, and burning Churches. Just like Germany did in the 1940s. Don't repeat it.

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What do our resident Holocaust deniers have to say about the role of the Conservative elite in the Nazi rise to power?

His second in command was an overt Marxist.

Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist.

Peter Longerich, Goebbels: A Biography, New York, NY, Random House (2015) p. 26, “Erinnerungsblätter,” 27, Part 1, Volume 1, page 27, (diary entry: 1924)

The social is a stopgap. Socialism is the ideology of the future.

Open Letter to Ernst Graf zu Reventlow in the Völkische Freiheit, 1925, as quoted in Goebbels: A Biography, Peter Longerich, Random House, 2015, p. 55

The money pigs of capitalist democracy… Money has made slaves of us… Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.

Quoted in The Nazi Party 1919-1945: A Complete History, Dietrich Orlow, New York: NY, Enigma Books, 2012, p 61. Goebbels’ article, “Nationalsozialisten aus Berlin und aus dem Reich”, Voelkischer Beobachter, February 4, 1927

One class has fulfilled its historical mission and is about to yield to another. The bourgeoisie has to yield to the working class ... Whatever is about to fall should be pushed. We are all soldiers of the revolution. We want the workers' victory over filthy lucre. That is socialism.

Quoted in Doctor Goebbels: His Life and Death, Roger Manvell, Heinrich Fraenkel, New York, NY, Skyhorse Publishing, 2010 p. 25, conversation with Hertha Holk

The political bourgeoisie is about to leave the stage of history. In its place advance the oppressed producers of the head and hand, the forces of Labor (Arbeitertum), to being their historical mission.

“Warum sind wir Sozialisten,” Der Angriff editorial, July 16, 1928, reprinted in Der Angriff, Munich 1935, p. 223. David Schoenbaum, Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi Germany, 1933-1939, W.W. Norton & Company (1997) p. 25

We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists.

“Einbeitsfront,” Der Angriff editorial, May 27, 1929. David Schoenbaum, Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi Germany, 1933-1939, W.W. Norton & Company (1997) p. 25

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

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His second in command was an overt Marxist.

The things you say are just so utterly, utterly fucking ridiculous. Get out you fucking imbecile.

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Dermot(5736) Banned
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Still going on about Hitler and his Socialism do you ever stop ?

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Lieutenant-Colonel Franz Joseph Hermann Michael Maria von Papen zu Köningen

He belonged to the group of close advisers to president Paul von Hindenburg in the late Weimar Republic. It was largely Papen, believing that Hitler could be controlled once he was in the government, who persuaded Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in a cabinet not under Nazi Party domination. However, Papen and his allies were quickly marginalised by Hitler and he left the government after the Night of the Long Knives, during which some of his confidantes were killed by the Nazis.

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/FranzvonPapen

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