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Will you follow the rules?
Hey everyone, things have gotten quite out of hand here lately. I receive lots of criticism for doing nothing, then lots of criticism for doing something. So I am faced with the reality of either shutting the site down, or cleaning it up. Shutting it down is easy, I can turn the site off in a matter of minutes and that is that. By doing that, it will also put between $300 and $500 back in my pocket a month, because that is what I spend to keep the site running. The hard thing is to clean it up. I want to keep it open, so I am going to try to clean it up.
Here is the first round of changes to help us have a site that everyone can coexist in.
THE RULES
1. All debates must be written in the form of a question. If you do not, I will take the liberty to change those which I see are statements into questions.
2. No swearing! PERIOD! I used to allow the occasional profanity to be used to emphasize a particular point. No longer. Profanity will not be tolerated. Use it once and you will be warned. Use it twice and you will be banned.
3. No attacks on members. You may post debates and arguments that attack public figures, but you may not post a debate or argument attacking another member. Do it once and you will be warned. Do it twice and you will be banned.
4. No sock puppet accounts period. I will have an amnesty period until April 1st. Turn in your sock puppet accounts to be banned (the content will stay). If not, I will start surgically removing accounts starting with your most active to the least active as a punishment.
5. No Advertising! If you create a debate which is clearly created with the sole purpose of creating a to backlink to another site, you will be banned immediately.
In typical troll fashion you've twisted my words. Obviously I never said everybody is a racist, but you obviously are and Antrim can't deny it because he's posted many racist tirades. But that isn't important anymore. Don't you get it? I'm congratulating you for winning but clearly another one of your character deficits is that you can't be a good winner. Sadly, the owner of this site Andy doesn't understand that you and your thug pals are the real problem here which is why I'll be gone soon enough.
I'm sure that you'll pass the word to your racist thug pals and this site will soon fill up with more and more goons just like you.
I have to be either a Troll, a Nazi or a Racist so make up your mind. The AC is running and the Global Chaos continues so hurry before we all burn up ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't cry you Poor Little Child ! The Real Problem here is Progressives and your thuggish nature. Too bad that does not work so well for you at the voting booth but it should be changed so you Progressives could not complain for at least 30 seconds ROTFFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!
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Thank you for trying to clean up this site, and thank you for trying to keep it open even at a cost to you. When I first came on it was actually a pretty fantastic place and I hope it can become one again. Have you thought about having moderators to help remove the debates where it is an obvious personal attack against someone?
Andy, you are just unbelievable. You will never clean this site up because you don't understand who is making it dirty. The only people you have left here are the trolls and bullies who have somehow managed to con you into believing they are victims.
Just see, for example, Antrim's implication that he is an honest debater who welcomes such rules. Then cross reference that with these comments:-
As clear as water is wet, Antrim is the dictionary definition of a troll.
Indeed, see the very top comment for a typical example of MathFan's relentless attacks. This is a person who, for the last three months, has been quite literally unable to see one of my comments without attacking me. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a single thread created by me in the last month in which I am not either insulted or provoked at least once by this vicious and thoroughly lamentable human cockroach. You will struggle. And, if you do find any, then it is only because I probably had the foresight to remember to ban him.
MathFan has quite literally scoured my entire posting history looking for things he can distort and take out of context, such is his dedication to trolling me.
Finally, consider Dermot, who is unequivocally the most overtly offensive member on the entire site. At least xMathFanx and Antrim occasionally make some effort to hide their malicious intent, whereas Dermot makes precisely none.
I said it yesterday and I'll say it again today. You are an idiot. Either that, or you have a genuine soft spot for lying racist bastards. You had absolutely no reason to single me out for a ban other than perhaps because you disagree with me ideologically.
Whatever the case, and I mean this sincerely, fuck you and the haven you have created for nasty neo-Nazi scumbags.
Andy knows this is yet another of your accounts Nom / Q / Rusticus etc, etc ,
You’re banned off every debating forum online except this for trolling ,
Here you are in action spewing your hate .......
Rusticus(877) 1 point
Checking back and see that as I already knew there would be no IP address which of course (as many very well knew) proves that you are a liar.
You're a sick little pathological lying Nazi.
You're a disgrace.
You were not “ singled out “ you hang yourself every time like on this thread where you support your “ position “ with your multiple accounts and no doubt will downvote every one who disagrees with you , giving more proof of how devious you truly are
I dislike the way he continues to target and bully others Antrim , Rusticus / Nom / Krugen is very annoyed he was disciplined by Andy and it is incredible he continues to play the victim
No doubt he’s in a worse mood now after the Irish trounced England in their own backyard to win the grand slam , in fairness though the the queens guards saluted the magnificent Irish win and the army offered their heartiest congratulations which shows how sporting a fair proportion of decent English people are , maybe he needs to follow their example
WHO DO THESE MEMBERS WITH NUMEROUS ACCOUNTS THINK THEY ARE KIDDING?
Do they not know that everyone is fully aware that all the down and up voting is the result or their alterternative accounts?
They are incorrigible and committed trolls.
The depth of their resentment at their failed lives combined with their inability to understand and adapt to their changed environment will ensure that their badgering will continue until they're turfed off the site.
These are the sort of people who blame the police for catching them committing a crime.
The thought that they were/are the criminals perpetrating the crime just never enters their minds.
@ krugenford - I'm with you for the most part. I can't understand how the worst trolls on this site have managed
to convince Andy that they're the victims. It's a very sad situation.
If Antrim's hate speech and the insanity of his henchmen is going to be allowed to continue I can't stay.
I wonder if Andy really understands what a troll is and doesn't recognize them for what they are. They've continually
provoked, poked, needled and jabed (TROLLED) in order to get the response they need in order to allow them to play
the victim.
Andy, you've been played. If you haven't done so already, please take a look at Antrim's waterfall. You won't have to look far to find one racist tirade after another. Is that to be allowed? Will swastikas and confederate battle flag avatars be allowed?
If they are, this site will eventually be full of proudly out in the open neo-nazi's.
I'd really like an answer and if the answer is 'Yes' - I'm gone.
I feel it's important to recognise that the habitual and hardened trolls are not interested in debating, their chief aim is to try to make sure that everyone else has as bad a day, or life has their are having.
Rhetorical question;- where are their posts offering reasoned argument or expressing genuinely held opinions?
They just haven't the ability to LEAVE IT ALONE and start afresh abiding by the NEW RULES.
You’re correct of course Antrim , even with new rules he cannot just move on and attempt to do what he hasn’t so far ( as you and I keep pointing out ) as in debate
A lot of the comments for this post are personal attacks, puppet accounts and trolls.
Are you going to be implementing any changes to the coding of the site to deal with the trolls, or do you plan on doing it all manually, because doing it manually seems like an impossible task, as is evident by the comments in this thread. Also, is the underline bug ever going to be fixed? If you send me the code you use for the underline feature, I can fix it for you.
If you end your post without typing a non-underlined thing after closing the "_" then all the posts below are underlined and have no way to reverse it.
See you never, once again the main argument I’ve made for free speech is that not everyone has grown up in the same environment with the same influences, it’s not for anyone to make up rules for language, because the English language is a constantly evolving entity. Some say that the flexibility that is inherent in English and it’s tendency to adapt other languages words and phrases, makes it one of the most useful and pervasive languages ever. As soon as someone makes a determination as to what is, and what isn’t acceptable, it becomes impossible for some, possibly unprivileged persons to be disregarded. The real reason Christian countries still have such disorder and chaos is because of the disconnect from a childlike reality, once people have broken a law that is suspect of divine punishment, their subconscious causes a predictable reaction, disconnection.
The problem is that once an ideology rises to dominate a society, all speech contrary to the principles or incentives of that ideology becomes de facto irresponsible. For this simple reason free speech is a myth.
The problem is that once an ideology rises to dominate a society, all speech contrary to the principles or incentives of that ideology becomes de facto irresponsible. For this simple reason free speech is a myth.
Capitalism dominates american ideology but you are allowed to be a commie because of free speech.
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Wow, they actually did outlaw the right of communists to peacably assemble therefore raping the first amendment in the booty pants, thanks uncle Nom.
The point really isn't in what you are allowed or not allowed to be, but rather in the persecution you face for being it. If you live with a congregation of highly religious people and decide that you are an atheist, they might not ban your opinion, but they will most certainly let you know that it is unwelcome.
Good point uncle Nommy poo. You're right, free speech never existed cause' even if the government tries to make free speech a right the cultural norms and ideologies will pressure most people into groupthink. But groupthink isn't so bad as long as the groupthink tells you to be scientifically smart and socialisticly ethical like uncle Nommy instead of being a conservative jabberwocky ding dong head.
Yes, I agree that the idea of free speech is overrated. But responsibility is common sense, regardless of what ideology is out there. The methods to forming an opinion (well-formed) or developing a sound argument is timeless. One just doesn't simply "say things" out of feelings or thin air, and one doesn't always need to voice an opinion; you certainly are entitled to your opinions, but nowhere in the any discipline of academy or anywhere at work compels you to speak without filtering, or thinking through. Just because one feels strongly about something, doesn't mean it is right or that it needs to be said. Situation, circumstances help us discern when and whether to.
The concept of an opinion shouldn't even exist. People need to learn that at the end of the day you are either correct or you're not, opinions and beliefs are useless in the pursuit of the actual fucking objective truth.
What you just said is a self-refuting argument. Based on your logic, you are either correct or wrong. Nothing in your statement points to any form of facts or that you are correct. Your statement is also merely an opinion of yours. If you have proof, pls substantiate.
Whether that is true or not, that is not the point. Pls don't pick on fine details and distract from the main argument that is on "responsibility".
Thank you. I will do my best to be a good citizen playing by the rules. I think the hardest part for me will be the no personal attacks clause but only because some of us have so much history in our clashes it’s hard to not reference that. If someone smears me as a progressive and I reply that they’re a gun nut, or holy roller, or conservative lap dog, does that count as a personal attack?
In keeping with my rejection to associate myself with the multiple account holders I refuse to respond to their continuing schoolboy goading, other than to reaffirm my commitment to adhere to the new rules.
My advice to all is to take heed that the site has an improved and modified format and to cooperate by adapting to the new
This is excellent news Andy and it’s to your credit that you have taken a firm hand in dispensing justice and dealing with the trolls , hopefully this heralds a new era on C D and it will once again become what it was when I came here first as in a great debate site
I am hopeful that all who want to return and play by the rules will do so. There are certain member who feel like I singled them out. Clearly by their reaction I must have been right...but I am willing to have all come back.
I know it is disappointing (and onerous) to do this, but I appreciate your efforts and willingness to work for the advancement of the free exchange of ideas. I am sure we agree that it would be nicer if people's commitment to good manners were enough without the rules.
I also am grateful that you pay the expense in support of free speech.
Please don't shut down the site. This is a good platform to talk about things. The rules you just laid down are good. I hope the members here will abide by them. Thanks for this site.
Bump. Atrag needs to read the rules.......................................................................................................................................
Andy I am trying your site out for my students but my students are complaining about personal attacks on them. I teach a argumentation and debate class and was hoping to give them some practice. I hope the standards of this site can be followed other wise I will look for a different site. Thanks.
Dear spchtchr, The membership here can be over zealous at times. I have asked them to stay off of debates that are clearly education based debates. I think the best opportunity for you would be to create you own public community. It is free of charge and while anyone can join, most people don't look at the other communities. Here is a link to setup your own. It takes less than one minute. Then you can post your debates safely there. If any of our members join, you (or I) can ban them from your community.
It is not for anyone to make up rules for language, as the English language is an entity that is constantly evolving. The main argument that I've made for free speech is that not everyone has grown up in the same environment with the same influences, and it's not for anyone to make up rules for language. See you never. Some people believe that the intrinsic flexibility of the English language, along with its propensity to adopt words and phrases from other languages, makes it one of the most valuable and widely used languages in the history of the world. As soon as one person decides what is and is not acceptable, it is impossible for other people, particularly those who are less fortunate, to be ignored. This makes it impossible to ignore certain people. Once https://geometry-dash.io people have breached a law that is suspected of being a divine retribution, their subconscious generates a predictable reaction, which in this case is disconnection; the true reason Christian countries still have such disorder and anarchy is because of the disconnect from a childlike reality.
You are a ing joke for not enforcing the rules. You ban me for standing up to Atrag, do nothing about rampant eugenics and rape culture, and everyone kisses your so the can bully each other into an ip ban. You could prove me wrong, but I wont hold my breath. I will be on debate.org the * away from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
