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Debate Score:11
Arguments:9
Total Votes:11
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The U.S.S.R. Was Not True Communism

I don't know how many communists we have on this site, but I know it's common amungst communists to claim that Soviet Russia was not "true communism". So, let's debate about it. 

 

Pro will define "true communism" and explain why the USSR didn't fit that defninition. Con will refute pro's arguments.

It WAS NOT (pro)

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It WAS (con)

Side Score: 3
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True communism involves no real leadership. The U.S.S.R had a dictator and their government involved one party which everyone had to worship to survive.

Side: It WAS NOT (pro)
1 point

Absolutely correct. This thread wont be going anywhere since true communism is impossible to achieve.

Side: It WAS NOT (pro)
2 points

"True" communism would see abolition of the state and rule by the proletariat, according to Marxist theory. The USSR was Marxist Leninist, more specifically Stalinist, but not communist.

I'm not a communist, by the way.

Side: It WAS NOT (pro)

It was not, but then again, there has never been total capitalism or total communism, so in that case, no country has ever been "true" communist or capitalist... But they were closer to communism than capitalism.

Side: It WAS NOT (pro)
ryuukyuzo(641) Disputed
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If you define 'true' communism as 'total' communism, then I'd argue that you've defined 'true' communism out of existence. The soviet government, at its height, was 80% of Russia's GDP with 20% being private sector black-market trading. That 20% was explicitly illegal, and yet it happened anyway.

This tells me that Russia did have true communism, it's just that this is the result of true communism because it doesn't work.

Side: It WAS (con)
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True communism would we total communism, which is why true capitalism or communism is impossible, however, they were quite close.

Side: It WAS NOT (pro)
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