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Debate Score:24
Arguments:20
Total Votes:26
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The best teachers should be paid as much as top bankers.

Teachers mould the future of any society. They are fundamental to the growth of the country. As such, it seems fair that teachers should be among the most highly paid of all professions.

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Side Score: 17
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Side Score: 7
1 point

Yes, teachers should be paid much higher salaries for what they do. Teachers probably shouldn't be paid so much that people join that career just for the money but the current wage for teachers is depressingly low.

A teacher is one of the most important professions, especially in a democracy like system, and a teacher shouldn't be required to work two jobs, or have their spouse work a job just so they can afford to live an adequate life.

Side: yes

Top bankers get paid a lot of money. Millions a year. I don't think that's responsible, irrespective of the profession. As someone in his education-vocation infancy, I think teachers should get paid more. But there's really no meaningful way to measure "good teachers".

Side: yes

Yes, they should make top dollar but I'm at a loss as to what yardstick they will use to measure the best! And what do you do with those who aren't the best? Do they just fall by the wayside or are they gotten rid of entirely? I think the entire pay structure should be changed to reflect the assets that teachers instill in our children. They are worth every dime we can pay them for what they do generation after generation.

Side: yes
1 point

Teaching is a very hard business. It is a profession that is not appreciated these days. I feel that teachers deserve every opportunity for success.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes they should. Good teachers make a difference in people's lives. They mold young people into who they will become. So I agree that they should make a salary that is comparable to top bankers

Side: yes
1 point

Teaching is actually one of the best professions out in the world, and is largely recession-proof. It is not right to pay all teachers the same amount of money but they all have different teaching capabilities.

A good teacher produces good results and he or she should be awarded with a higher salary. Just like how a bad teacher doesn't produce results; he or she should be counselled and given proper training so that he or she can teach more effectively in class.

We don't need teachers that go by the textbook, ramble about in lectures and sound like a monotonous robot that puts people to sleep. The real good teachers know how to interact with their students, give positive feedback to weaker students and be passionate about their job.

Perhaps a good refresher course for teachers would be to have them pick up good pronounciation skills. :)

That being said, I would strongly agree for the salary of teachers to be given to be proportional to how effective is their teaching. After all this is a form of gratitude to teachers for their amount of hard work they have put in.

I had a wonderful chemistry teacher in my secondary school and she is capable of turning our entire class from Cs and Ds to As within a year. That is what I call marvelous and she deserves at least 4 times more pay that a normal teacher.

Side: yes

Best teachers should command a very high salary based on their students' performance.

Side: Yes

Top bankers make money (in a given year) by helping a bunch of other people make money. A teacher only helps about 20 to 30 kids. When a top banker helps someone make money, it is a considerable sum. When a teacher helps one kid learn a math concept, the gains are hard to measure in monetary terms.

But I do believe that teachers should be paid by how good they are.... although this system would entice some teachers to try and cheat the system in order to make more money.

Side: No
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points

Teachers usually teach more than one class in a given day. So it's more like 100-250 kids per year. Also, the teacher should get some small credit for all the good each of the kids go on to do.

I agree that the gains are hard to measure in monetary terms, that's the real problem.

Side: yes

The proposed system would entice some teachers to try and cheat the system in order to make more money.

Side: No
1 point

I disagree. I believe teachers should be paid more than the peanuts they are getting now, but I don't think they should earn as much a top bankers do. First, how do you determine who the best teachers are? By test grades? Failure rates? There are just too many variables involved in coming up with who the best teachers are. You could be a great teacher, but if your students don't take part in their responsibilities and end up failing the class, you look like a horrible teacher. Second, most banks are privatized these days, while teachers are paid by the government. Where is the money going to come from to pay the best teachers millions of dollars? You can't tax the rich for everything. If I was a great policeman and saw great teachers getting paid millions, I would petition the government to do the same thing for me. Then a great fireman sees what the policeman does yada yada. It would create an unnecessary ripple effect, leaving some people happy and a lot of people pissed. Again, they should get paid more, but not as much as top bankers.

Side: No

Scarcity pricing is the only just and sustainable way to price things, including labor.

Side: No
ta9798(316) Disputed
2 points

If what you say is true, why do bankers make so much and yet the US banking system is suffering from lack of sustainablity?

Also since many would stress that really good and effective teachers are scarce why shouldn't they be paid much more? Wouldn't a good teacher help create a more stable and just society economically and socially and thus schouldn't those teachers recieve a greater income?

Side: yes
1 point

Show me where I claimed that bankers wages were determined by their scarcity (or more accurately, their replace-ablility). I am no expert on why bankers and CEOs make so much, but that's irrelevant because I never claimed that they were paid based on replace-ability. More often I suspect they are highly paid because the institutions they run a) allow them to set their own wages or b) let them tie their wages/bonuses to other things, like share-value or profitability, which don't necessarily reflect their own ingenuity.

As for teachers, it is my position that teachers are highly over paid, which creates negative social costs on several levels.

First, to establish that they are overpaid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpb9DymmoU is a little one-sided but it gets the main empirical facts straight. Teachers are over-paid beause:

a) they make more, hourly, than many other important jobs including architecture and chemistry, and live quite comfortably

b) they have lengthy holidays which they could work during if they chose

c) they have great job security (it is virtually impossible to be fired as a teacher)

d) and most importantly, markets don't clear. There is a surplus of people looking for teaching jobs then jobs which are available. When the price of an object is based on scarcity (supply/demand) the market clears ie. 1 teacher for every 1 job. In Chicago, for ex., there are 12 for every 1 job. This is important for a variety of reasons. Not the least are all the prospective teachers who, after receiving their teaching degree, are in debt and can't find work. Now there is a group of people who are under paid.

Side: No

"Those that can't do, teach." To reward one idiot over another idiot is wrong. Reward those that are actually doing the work.

Side: No
Warlin(1212) Disputed
1 point

"Knowledge is power."

I cannot think of truer words that were ever spoken.

Side: yes
1 point

Sadly, there is a lot truth in the saying "those who can, do; those who can't, teach; '

While it is true that the teachers teach, it is also true that the students study and work themselves to the career as bankers or any other high paying jobs by dint of their hard work and application. And some students also make it to the top in spite of bad teachers. and some students become criminals in spite of the best teachers .

Nobody stopped the teacher from going in for top bankers' jobs, and certainly they knew as well as anybody else that teaching is a lowly paid job.

There is also another saying "don't brag. it is not the whistle that is pulling the train "

Side: No
1 point

Our economy would not survive if we did this. We cannot afford to pay people who do not generate profit as much money as someone who is paid more according to how much profit they bring in. Capitalism doesn't work that way. It would be great if we could, but we cant and therefore we shouldn't.

Side: No