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The greatest proof of God is the evidence of what non believers condone without him.
Debate sites love to debate the existence of God. There is no absolute truth of God or no God. There is no absolute proof of evolution.
Non believers want proof and the sad part of that story is it will be too late when the proof presents itself.
Christians believe by faith and the evidence all around them.
You say what evidence?
If we are to believe the theory of evolution, mankind should be evolving to a higher state. As with survival of the fittest, the smartest people should be growing in numbers because they would be succeding in life, living longer from their success and healthier habits, spreading their seed to the next generations, etc.
The stupid evil people would spend more time in jail, not being able to spread their seed, and the theory being that over time, good would out number evil.
Hows that working out? Evolutionists never have good answers when it comes to explaining evil people. You see, in the animal kingdom (which we as humans are suppose to be), there is very little occurence of evil animals. They live by their instinct and animals with the best traits grow in numbers.
So tell me why it is that mankind is devolving when there is no belief of God? Look at our world! Constant wars and hatred, no restriction abortions, etc.
The arrogant Liberal Godless elites of the world believe they are the enlightened compassionate ones, and have the right to tell everyone else the correct way to think.
So I want you to picture what these compassionate Godless people support. Picture a newborn baby just delivered from the mother. Now picture the baby having it's limbs torn off, or stabbed in the neck and having it's brains sucked out. This is what Godless people support with their radical no restriction abortion stance. This is what happens just before that same baby is delivered down the birth canal.
Are you going to tell me it is any less barbaric to tear that baby limb from limb a few weeks earlier? Are you saying if the brutality is out of sight it's out of mind? Can you ever admit how evil man becomes when left to his own value system? Open your eyes all you so called compassionate pro choicers.
Without God, you seemingly have devolved to such a state of self love, that you would sacrifice even our most innocent viable babies for sake of convienence. There are many hypocrites among you who will say they would not personally dismember their own baby, but would allow others the freedom to choose to do so. Such caring non judgemental compassionate people you are. So compassionate you are fine with other babies being dismembered so you won't have the potencial of paying to support them.
So you see, the evil of mankind is actually growing which flys in the face of everything evolution is suppose to do. The growing evidence of man's never improving evil speaks volumes to the existence of God, because as we see, without God, mankind is getting more inhuman every single day.
Spare me the evils of false religions. I'm basing my words on the New Testament Christian faith that does not support harming the innocent, but rather to love and forgive even our enemies. God says you will know a Christian by their love, so for anyone supporting abortions, look in the mirror and ask yourself where you put your faith. God says he knows us in the womb.
You see, in the animal kingdom (which we as humans are suppose to be), there is very little occurence of evil animals. They live by their instinct and animals with the best traits grow in numbers.
Many animals kill their young. Lions in particular have been known to kill their offspring if it is either born of another male or perceived to have some weakness that often humans can't see. If humans did that, we would see it as evil. To animals, it is (we think) survival of the fittest. Dolphins and a few other animals have been known to "play with" other creatures by beating them repeatedly, and raping other species, often to death.
Seriously that link above makes me a little ill but it's there if you want.
We see this as evil if it were humans, do they? Our perceptions of right and wrong have grown as we've evolved. I'm not using the word evolve in the sense of evolution, just to clear that up, just that we've grown as a species.
As with survival of the fittest, the smartest people should be growing in numbers because they would be succeding in life, living longer from their success and healthier habits, spreading their seed to the next generations, etc.
You've never seen Idiocracy, have you? It's a pretty funny movie. Stupid people, or those with low intelligence, can still breed. Not using condoms and just having random sex can be seen as a very stupid move, yet it produces children who grow and, if not taught better, continue the life their parents have shown them. That's not evolution, that's life. Humans like sex.
The examples of animals who kill their young are very few as I mentioned. I realize when male lions take over a pride, they do kill the offspring of the other male lion, but the actual parents do not kill their young.
I agree that criminals do create babies, but not so much in prison. They normally would not want any part of kids. This may not be a good analogy I agree.
You get the point I'm tryng to make. Why is it that mankind has not grown in humanity towards others and today we keep making it easier to kill our young all the way up till birth.
It seems as we censor and separate God from our public, the moral values of people just keeps getting worse.
Our famiies are falling apart with no fathers at home. Why are the moral values that once guided our family commitments falling away?
I say without God, there are no moral values to hold onto. Our moral values will simply shift with the times. Man's values will always benefit himself over others such as their abandonment of their children.
I realize when male lions take over a pride, they do kill the offspring of the other male lion, but the actual parents do not kill their young.
Actually they do. Not just lions either but if there is something "off" with the offspring they will murder it. I remember watching a video with a wild mustang, he bit the back of the babies neck and....well, I changed channels pretty fast, I don't have the stomach for it but what he did to that poor thing definitely killed it.
I agree that criminals do create babies, but not so much in prison.
I didn't say criminals. I said people with low intelligence or just people who do stupid things.
It seems as we censor and separate God from our public, the moral values of people just keeps getting worse.
As much as I agree with some of this, I also think it's a reductive fallacy. Through out time there have always been issues with family life. Women treated poorly, told their place was in the kitchen, no rights. Young boys having overly critical fathers telling them to "man up" and beating them. Parents selling their children to make money, parents selling their daughters. There's never been a perfect time where family life hasn't had its issues in one form or another. While I think we do need to teach morals in society and praise those who exemplify it, I do not think that separating God from the public, especially when some people can't tell the difference between teaching His word and condemning others through their interpretation of His word, is so terrible. I mean you can't ever truly separate Him, He's all around. But we can accept that not everyone believes what we do and trying to push His will on those who simply don't want to listen, forcing God upon them if you will, kind of tiptoes in immoral behavior itself.
I agree that family values need to be taught and appreciated, I just don't agree that others aren't capable of acting moral without His guidance. Religion is personal, it should stay that way.
With all due respect, you are wrong about non christians holding to moral values.
Just in my lifetime I have witnessed a total breakdown in moarl values that once taught the importance of family commitments.
Without a higher power, we are watching the slippery slope in action.
Abortion started out as 1st trimester only and here we are with no restriction abortions of healthy viable babies by healthy women.
I remember when Hollywood had moral guidelines to what they could show on TV for the sake of our children.
One by one the censorship laws were struck down to allow this anything goes garbage we see even on conmmericals today.
I remember when pre marital sex was considered immoral for the very reason we are seeing today. Our children deserve to have a mother and father supporting them.... not some case worker.
There was no theocracy forcing people to be moral 50 years ago. It was simply society shaming behaviors that do so much harm to our children. It's not about shaming Jane Doe for something she did. It was about shaming the behavior without naming people.
The Godless Left hates any mention of morality and you know this to be true. They are very very insecure people who want no one speaking out against behavior they might involved with.
Funny how this hypocritical Left has no problem judging Conservatives or Christians non stop for our beliefs.
Without a higher power, we are watching the slippery slope in action.
I believe in the genuine good that humanity is capable of. Some times I am wrong but I will still believe that even those who don't use God as a moral compass are capable of moral actions. It's seen every time there is a catastrophe or when someone holds their hand out for help.
I remember when Hollywood had moral guidelines to what they could show on TV for the sake of our children.
One by one the censorship laws were struck down to allow this anything goes garbage we see even on commercials today.
I agree that a good portion of kids shows these days are fraught with violence, but that is also the responsibility of the parent to limit the TV. I remember...gosh....20?'ish years ago there was a TV show I loved called Swat Katz, that was taken off air after less than 2 seasons because it was deemed too violent. That show now would be very very mild compared to some of the kids shows out there.
Commercials are a freaking joke now. We are given 2-3 minutes of steamy sexy scenes of a man and a woman chasing each other, touching and caressing....and it's a commercial for perfume or something stupid. Often shown during the day when kids are home. I will say this though, I don't have an issue with safe premarital sex in certain circumstances, I don't have an issue with some sexuality, what I have an issue with is what our children are constantly bombarded with and the parents that think raising a kid involves more TV than family time.
Society still shames behaviors that we deem unacceptable or immoral, it's just that some perceptions of society have changes. A young unwed woman who became pregnant already made the mistake, she knows it, she should be supported and helped instead of shamed and condemned. One can say the behavior is unacceptable all they want but once it happens they need to put that judgement aside and help. It really takes a community to raise a kid.
Funny how this hypocritical Left has no problem judging Conservatives or Christians non stop for our beliefs.
You say you believe that even those who don't use God as a moral compass are capable of moral actions.
You are confusing the morality of creating thousands of social programs addressing the breakdown in our familes, with the morality of addressing the behavior that creates the need for all these social programs.
Can you see the slippery slope in action? A true compassionate person who lives by common sense moral wisdom from God, understands that the priority is not putting ever larger bandaids on our broken homes, but rather FIXING the problem at the source so that millions of future children are not harmed from all the broken families.
You understand that broken families create more broken families? It's a cycle and getting worse. Putting bandaids on this huge problem does nothing to prevent the further damage to our families.
This is the problem with Democrats. They are ALL about putting social bandaids on the problems that they themselves have created with their anti moral no fault ideology.
Peole who vote for Democrats see their push for never ending social programs (as our nation is going bankrupt) as being compassionate and moral. IT IS NOT (especially when they simply take the money from tax payers rather than voluntarilly giving of their own money)!
Is it compassionate to create larger numbers of case workers playing mother and father to our abandoned children, or is it more compassionate to address the reasons why those children are abandoned once and for all?
I always repeat the Peace core commercial..... is it better to give third world nations never ending buschels of corn to feed the poor, or is it better to teach them how to grow their own corn?
It's alwasy better to address the core reason for our problems rather than forever giving buschels of welfare checks to our hurting children!
The moral values from the Left gives out free drug needles for the drug addicted while never shaming the immoral behavior that brought them to the addiction.
That would be like a parent who constantly mends their children's burns, but never tells them to NOT PLAY WITH MATCHES!
Can you grasp what I'm saying? The bad parent (Democrats) puts all their efforts into creating many burn units to address all the burns, while the good parent (Conservative) teaches the children not to play with matches.
Tell me whose priorities and long term goals work best?
I thought the Left was suppose to be big on educating people to the core reasons for their problems? No, they are not! I truly believe they want ever growing government to usher in their socialistic Government control of dependent Americans, rather than educating people to the dangers of their irresponsible immoral choices.
Yes I do believe that those who don't believe in God are just as capable of acting morally as those who do.
I think many programs are started with the intention of helping others and for the most part they do. Unfortunately helping others will never be able to entirely exclude those out there who would take advantage of such programs but that doesn't mean we should nix it all entirely. More people are helped than not, we just don't hear about it because nothing enrages us into taking notice as those who abuse privileges given by us.
We can't force morals on society, we can't force homes to never be broken. People are a plethora of different ideas, views and base selfish desires that will never be removed. Until we grow out of that, that's just how it will be.
You keep getting hung up on Democrats, I don't care what Republicans or Democrats believe, I'm my own individual. I think the problems we have is that so many people get so stuck in their niche that they refuse to see any side but the side they belong to. We need to get out of that mindset. Both parties have some interesting ideas and we can't say one side is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong.
I agree that a healthy home typically raises healthy children but not everyone thinks that way and not everyone is willing to put forth the effort to raise the children the way that you want to see it done.
You can try to teach your child not to play with matches all you want, just like touching the stove, but sometimes the experience is more important and has more impact than the lesson. So maybe we need the burn wards to show compassion after the experience is taught.
You just refuse to admit the simple fact that shaming bad behavior works as we have seen for thousands of years when we discipline our children.
We see children with no discipline grow up with many more problems.
As always you give the same rhetoric by saying there will aways be some irresponsble people. OF COURSE THERE WILL! That does not mean we do not try our best to cut those numbers. I said we will always need a safety net for the helpless, but we should always do everything to cut the numbers of able bodied irresponsible people using our system.
Our families are broken many times worse than our past and there is a reason for it. For people like you to just sluff it off as the way it is, is exactly why we have the problem.
Society does not simply grow out of it.... we are growing INTO IT for a reason and the core reasons MUST BE ADDRESSED for it to ever change!
Now you are sitting there telling us how it is not so important for parents to teach our children not to touch a hot iron, but rather allow themselves to touch the hot iron and learn. Teaching them to stop from doing something sends messages that we should all be careful when it comes to dealing with things that might possibly hurt us.
Guess what? I have never touched a hot iron because my parents loved me enough to teach me before I did.
So tell me how that no fault anything goes thinking has worked for the irresponsible millions choosing to sleep around creating millions of fatherless homes? IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE AND NO ONE IS LEANRING A THING FROM IT.
You are the perfect example of how people are learning nothing. How come these unwed mothers living off welfare keep getting pregnnt over an over? Why haven't they learned not to touch that hot iron?
I guess Democrats have made welfare so easy it sends no message at all.
It's people like you who are the problem. There are so many bleeding heart people voting for Democrats because you believe they have compassion for the poor.
YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG ABOUT THEM. They use the poor as tools to getting elected and keeping power over the people. Maybe you missed it, under this progressive no fault anything goes morality, we have record numbers of poor people on food stamps.
You bleeding heart ideology does not work! It HURTS MORE PEOPLE THAN IT HELPS!
You just refuse to admit the simple fact that shaming bad behavior works as we have seen for thousands of years when we discipline our children.
Except I've said:
Society still shames behaviors that we deem unacceptable or immoral, it's just that some perceptions of society have changes. A young unwed woman who became pregnant already made the mistake, she knows it, she should be supported and helped instead of shamed and condemned. One can say the behavior is unacceptable all they want but once it happens they need to put that judgement aside and help.
I've also said:
As much as I agree with some of this, I also think it's a reductive fallacy. (This portion was to another sentence of yours involving God and morals, my main focus though is removing God is a reductive fallacy) Through out time there have always been issues with family life. Women treated poorly, told their place was in the kitchen, no rights. Young boys having overly critical fathers telling them to "man up" and beating them. Parents selling their children to make money, parents selling their daughters. There's never been a perfect time where family life hasn't had its issues in one form or another.
We see children with no discipline grow up with many more problems.
I agree, children need to be taught not just discipline but respect for others. That includes tolerance.
Our families are broken many times worse than our past and there is a reason for it. For people like you to just sluff it off as the way it is, is exactly why we have the problem.
Sluff? Such an interesting word. What I'm doing is acknowledging a problem and saying that we have not in any point had a perfect time in society where family problems weren't around. You want to go BACK to how things where because you think that was ok. That was also when, as I've said, women were treated poorly, children were beaten, little boys were pushed into being what some peoples perception of "men" is. It wasn't perfect, we are growing better but there is still work to do, things to teach.
Now you are sitting there telling us how it is not so important for parents to teach our children not to touch a hot iron,
Not true.
but rather allow themselves to touch the hot iron and learn
I'd rather they didn't touch the hot iron but as I said:
You can try to teach your child not to play with matches all you want, just like touching the stove, but sometimes the experience is more important and has more impact than the lesson. So maybe we need the burn wards to show compassion after the experience is taught.
Meaning, sometimes it doesn't matter how much you tell your kid not to do something, they will still do it. They will learn faster from that experience than from simply telling them over and over again. And again, I feel I need to point out, my first reaction is to tell them not to touch it, I neither desire nor hope that they'll burn themselves. But IF the child continues and does something that will hurt them, we need to have that burn unit to help them heal and that guidance that explains why mommy and daddy said not to do something in the first place.
So tell me how that no fault anything goes thinking has worked for the irresponsible millions choosing to sleep around creating millions of fatherless homes? IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE AND NO ONE IS LEANRING A THING FROM IT.
I didn't say it's no fault thinking. Where did I say that?
You are the perfect example of how people are learning nothing. How come these unwed mothers living off welfare keep getting pregnnt over an over? Why haven't they learned not to touch that hot iron?
And yet again,
I agree that family values need to be taught and appreciated
Not using condoms and just having random sex can be seen as a very stupid move, yet it produces children who grow and, if not taught better, continue the life their parents have shown them.
Society still shames behaviors that we deem unacceptable or immoral, it's just that some perceptions of society have changes. A young unwed woman who became pregnant already made the mistake, she knows it, she should be supported and helped instead of shamed and condemned. One can say the behavior is unacceptable all they want but once it happens they need to put that judgement aside and help.
I think many programs are started with the intention of helping others and for the most part they do. Unfortunately helping others will never be able to entirely exclude those out there who would take advantage of such programs but that doesn't mean we should nix it all entirely. More people are helped than not, we just don't hear about it because nothing enrages us into taking notice as those who abuse privileges given by us.
You bleeding heart ideology does not work! It HURTS MORE PEOPLE THAN IT HELPS!
You don't want to help the woman who is pregnant, you don't want to help her after the child is born, you don't want her to have a choice in the matter though, and you don't want to help those who have fallen and need assistance to get back up because someone else may abuse it. It's not a bleeding heart to have empathy and want to hold your hand out. I will never want to help someone who abuses it but I will help those to stand. We can't always prevent something from happening but we can control how we act towards it.
You just made my entire point and don't even grasp it.......
You said and i quote....
"You want to go BACK to how things where because you think that was ok. That was also when, as I've said, women were treated poorly, children were beaten, little boys were pushed into being what some peoples perception of "men" is. It wasn't perfect, we are growing better but there is still work to do, things to teach."
Yes, we also had some bad behavior 50 years ago including racism, etc. and quess what? WE SHAMED THAT BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!! Shaming irresponsible behavior WORKS AS WE HAVE WITNESSED!
That is why those things improved! Why do you miss the lessons from history? SHAMING WORKS!
You sit here constanly saying how unwed women who got pregnant (and ruined a child's quality of life and right to a father) made the mistake and we should just love and support them, and not shame them.
How come you are ok with shaming men who made mistakes of treating women poorly, and made mistakes of beating their children, etc. etc.?
Why not just forgive them and support them no matter the irresponsible behavior?
Tell me why it was ok to shame those behaviors that harmed others, but you refrain from shaming promiscous sex that sentences our children to lifetimes on welfare, or lifetimes with no father, etc. etc.
CAN YOU GRASP WHAT I AM SAYING HERE?
I never said we should shame women or men by name when they choose to live promiscuously and get pregnant. I'm talking about society shaming the behavior that people like you refuse to shame. You are showing how little you care for our future generations of childrens in broken homes.
These women who you say simply make mistakes are not learning anything from this no fault progressive culture. They continue to live promiscuously, having more babies on welfare. You have no answers for this shameful behavior when there is so much harm to our children.
You are such a hypocrite when the fact is that the Progressive Left lives and breathes shaming behavior that they deem unpolitically correct.
You pick and choose which behaviors should be shamed. You care so little for the future of our children.
Yes, we also had some bad behavior 50 years ago including racism, etc. and quess what? WE SHAMED THAT BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!
Lol. No we didn't and if we did it sure didn't do much good as it was behavior that was both common and accepted. The man of the house, the woman in the kitchen and subservient.
That is why those things improved! Why do you miss the lessons from history? SHAMING WORKS!
It improved because people finally started standing up and saying "We Matter" to it. Much like the LGBT community is standing up now and saying "we matter" as well. And as I said, yet. again.
Society still shames behaviors that we deem unacceptable or immoral, it's just that some perceptions of society have changed.
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How come you are ok with shaming men who made mistakes of treating women poorly, and made mistakes of beating their children, etc. etc.?
Again. I don't have an issue with shaming, I have an issue when that's ALL you want to do. Once the mistake has been made that judgement needs to be pushed aside and assistance offered.
Why not just forgive them and support them no matter the irresponsible behavior?
You support the change, not the continued behavior. It's ridiculous to think in the instance that you provided that you would continue to let the male treat someone else poorly and support his continued abuse as opposed to support him with therapy and/or the wife/kids in leaving.
A young unwed woman who became pregnant already made the mistake, she knows it, she should be supported and helped instead of shamed and condemned. One can say the behavior is unacceptable all they want but once it happens they need to put that judgement aside and help. It really takes a community to raise a kid. This isn't saying that all forms of shaming should just be tossed out the window. We can say that sleeping around without protection is bad all we want but IF IT HAPPENS because God knows we are humans and make mistakes, we need to cast aside our own judgement and see about helping her make a difference for the better for her child.
So tell me, while the society is shaming the woman the way you want it to, what happens to the children? How are they going to feel? Ashamed? They had no choice in the matter.
See beyond the fingers you want to point and look and see if it does more harm than good when that is ALL that you want to fall back on.
Society is making it easy to kill babies because the evil leaders want to make it easy to kill adults like Hitler, Muslims, and Communists did and/or do with no fear of God.
They want everybody to resign to the idea of 95 percent of the world's population being killed in order to preserve the human race with them in control to set up a new carefully controlled society where the five percent who survive own the world.
Sorry to break this to you, but evolution is fact. The theory of evolution is the method by which evolution occurs and is subject to change based on information, but evolution itself is proven fact.
mankind should be evolving to a higher state
Who's to say we aren't? You should realize evolution on the scale you are suggesting is measured in hundreds of thousands and millions of years.
As with survival of the fittest, the smartest people should be growing in numbers because they would be succeding in life, living longer from their success and healthier habits, spreading their seed to the next generations, etc.
The stupid evil people would spend more time in jail, not being able to spread their seed, and the theory being that over time, good would out number evil.
Survival of the fittest isn't really the best explanation for our current times due to advances in our way of life. We are no longer fighting against other creatures and have essentially left the food chain. Regarding living longer due to healthier habits, you suggesting this isn't actually true? I will also agree evil people spend more time in jail, but this does not mean they haven't had a chance to reproduce prior to entering jail or between different sentences. Really, I don't see your point with your statement.
Evolutionists never have good answers when it comes to explaining evil people.
Evolution is the method the explains the diversity we see in life. That's it. Stop trying to make it say more than it is.
Look at our world! Constant wars and hatred, no restriction abortions, etc. A good majority of the wars started because of religion, much hatred I see comes from religious people and there are restrictions on abortion. Again, more claims without supporting evidence.
Now picture the baby having it's limbs torn off, or stabbed in the neck and having it's brains sucked out. This is what Godless people support with their radical no restriction abortion stance.
This is not true of all atheists. I know many Christians who support a woman's right to choose, and I know many atheists who, like me, are against it. This is simply a false generalization.
So you see, the evil of mankind is actually growing
According to the Bible evilness got so bad God called on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he even flooded the planet. I don't recall an instance our modern times that this has occured.
I'm basing my words on the New Testament Christian faith that does not support harming the innocent, but rather to love and forgive even our enemies.
The foundation of the New Testament is the Old Testament and the Christian faith accepts both as the complete work of God. The Old Testament is also quoted many times in the New; many times by Jesus himself. That said the Old Testament is not known for protecting the innocent or forgiving enemies. The Old Testament promotes such atrocities as rape, mass genocide, and slavery.
God says you will know a Christian by their love
That may be what your book says, but most non-believers can pick out a Christian by the hatred they spread. You may want to disagree, but since you are a Christian you can't speak for those who don't believe.
What don't you get about the statement in the Bible that you will know a Christian by their love?
These people with hatred who say they are Christians DO NOT FIT GOD'S DEFINITION OF A CHRISTIAN.
Quit painting Christians by the actions of a few.
So tell me, of all the Christian churches in this nation, how many preach hate? I know of one... The Westboro church. Give me some others and then compare that to the tens of thousands of churches in this nation.
I hae only ever talked with one Atheist who was truly pro life because he said he refused to vote for these pro abortion democrts on that one issue alone.
Do you have any idea how rare a true prolife Atheist is?
Evolution created no diversity among each animal species. They are mostly like a clone of each other. They have little evil amongst them.
Man is the so called animal that has evil in it's ranks. Why? The Bible makes that quite clear. God made animals to live by their instincts and made man with reason and the ability to choose good from evil.
"Quit painting Christians by the actions of a few."
Whether few or many, I paint Christians by the actions of those who choose to be the public face of Christianity; of which there are many.
So tell me, of all the Christian churches in this nation, how many preach hate? I know of one... The Westboro church.
Any church that preaches a certain class of people as being immoral based on who they love and that they have no right to be married is one that preaches hate. So tell me, of the tens of thousands of churches in this nation, how many don't teach that?
Do you have any idea how rare a true prolife Atheist is?
That largely depends on what you consider "true" pro-life and what you consider to be "life".
Evolution created no diversity among each animal species.
I never said diversity among each animal species, I simply said in life. As an example look at the various species within even just the family Atelidae.
Man is the so called animal that has evil in it's ranks.
We are the only animal with such a label, however the acts we deem evil are just the same among other creatures.
The Bible makes that quite clear
Without evidence to prove the Bible as being anything special I really don't care what it says.
The Christian faith teaches us about many sins. Do you actually think Christians hate all people who have sinned? Do you actually think Christians hate people who have had divorces, or sex before marriage, or who blasphemed, or who swear, or whatever the sin?
You sit there with your Left winged political correctness and base your entire world and beleifs on the plight of LGBT groups.
Do you have any idea how dysfunctional that is?
Homosexuality is a sin just as there are many other sins I mentioned above.
WE HAVE TOLD YOU A MILLION TIMES WE WO DO NOT HATE PEOPLE WHO SIN AND WE DO NOT HATE GAYS! There are no perfect people in this world including Christians. WHY WOULD WE HATE OURSELVES?
QUIT SPEWING LEFTWING PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!
What we have said and will always say is that we are not going to allow LBGT activists to twist our faith to fit their lifestyles!
Any true Christian church will speak out to sin no matter what sin it is. We do not condone divorce, or promiscuous pre marital sex, or blasphemy, etc. etc. etc.
Speaking out aganst sin does not mean we hate the sinner. The only reason you hear more about the sin of Homosexuality, is because the Church is under attack by Gay activists. They have already sued Churches in the past to allow Gay Sunday school teachers. ARE YOU STARTING TO GET IT?
There are no people suing the church to allow open marriage people being Sunday school teachers. We are tlking about people who deny they are living in sin trying to force the Church to accept them as Church leaders.
Most people possess the simple intellect and respect to undestand what the Church stands for and they don't keep fightng them to twist their faith to sanction homosexuality as no longer being a sin.
Do you think people who live promiscuously would be arrogant enough to sue a Church to condone pomiscuity as not being a sin?
Are you starting to grasp it? Pastors and Priests already know that activist LGBT groups are trying to get churches to marry Homosexuals. Gay marriage goes against everything a Pastor believes in and of course he will fight the movement.
Evolution tries to justify evil by teaching natural selection and survival of the fittest. If you don't see that, your willfully ignorant and if you feel insulted, too bad.
Evolution does not explain anything, it's a lie from Hell designed to make people think there is no such thing as right and wrong and a person has no real value......it's designed to devalue human life............and calling little faggots little faggots is not hateful, it's the truth. Calling you evil is not hateful, it's the truth. You are against God, you are evil, God loves you and you need to seek His mercy through the blood of His Son or you will fry like an eternal sausage in Hell forever. Telling you the truth is loving, if I don't tell you the truth I would be apathetic and not caring that you are on your way to Hell you big mouth fool.
In 2014 a poll was conducted on religious affiliations of divorced couples. It was revealed 74% of the couples claimed Christianity as their religion.
A study also shows 80% of people ages 18-29, that identify as Christian engage in premarital sex.
With regards to blasphemy or profanity, studies don't even need to be conducted to know how prevalent it is in church.
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Do you actually think Christians hate people who have had divorces, or sex before marriage, or who blasphemed, or who swear, or whatever the sin?
Absolutely not. Since Christians embrace those sins they instead turn all of their attention to LGBT issues (the speck rather than the plank).
Homosexuality is a sin just as there are many other sins I mentioned above.
According to your religion, and has no business deciding on what is legal or not int his country (read the Constitution).
WE HAVE TOLD YOU A MILLION TIMES WE WO DO NOT HATE PEOPLE WHO SIN AND WE DO NOT HATE GAYS!
Actions speak louder than words and again, the actions we see everyday from your fellow Christians are that of pure hatred.
What we have said and will always say is that we are not going to allow LBGT activists to twist our faith to fit their lifestyles!
In no way are you being asked to change your faith nor does same sex marriage affect your lifestyle; you are simply being asked to butt out of theirs.
They have already sued Churches in the past to allow Gay Sunday school teachers.
There are no people suing the church to allow open marriage people being Sunday school teachers.
So which is it? These are opposite claims.
they don't keep fightng them to twist their faith to sanction homosexuality as no longer being a sin.
The majority don't care if you consider it a sin, again just want you mind your own business.
Pastors and Priests already know that activist LGBT groups are trying to get churches to marry Homosexuals.
They may be asking, but no legal action is being taken against those that decline. There are plenty of pastors who will marry them and couples can also use alternative methods such as seeing a Justice of the Peace.
I told you that activist Gay groups have already sued Churches to allow Gay sunday school teachers.... and you ignored it.
I mentioned open marriages of men and women who want to sleep around no matter that they are married. These people are not arrogant enough to try and force churches to sanction their sins as ok.
It is only Gay groups who are trying to force churches to sanction homosexuality as no longer being a sin.
They have tried to force private christian family owned businesses to cater their wedding receptions. They have no respect for other's beliefs.
No one ever claimed that some Christians do not have divorces and premarital sex, etc.
Can you ever grasp a point? I was saying that these people do not try to force the church to no longer call those sins a sin. They admit their sins and would never try to influence the Church to twist the Bible and say it is not sin. Anyone who would do such a thing is a far cry from Christian.
Can you are grasp simple english? I'm talking to an insecure wall. It is you who is so insecure with who you are, and you need everyone to march in lock step declaring that Homosexuality is a normal natural thing. SORRY, WE DON'T ALL AGREE AND NEVER WILL! Live with it. Our Christian Churches have every right to their beliefs.
News flash. Not everyone is out to get you. We don't care what you do in the bedroom. WE CARE WHAT YOU TRY TO FORCE CHURCHES, PASTORS AND SCHOOLS TO DO!
Get this through your head. I don't give a crap what your fairy tale book says. Science has proven evolution and no amount of crackpot YouTube videos you like to share will change that.
Other than what can be deducted from the scientific laws our knowledge base as a species relies upon. The only limitation of reason is the completeness of the knowledge it's based on.
Or, in logical terms, the Bible is often considered to be an "absolute truth", though I doubt that's in the context you meant.
"Non believers want proof and the sad part of that story is it will be too late when the proof presents itself."
I find that a lot of anti-theists continue to believe in God's non-existence, regardless of evidence. If God Himself were to come down to Earth and make His presence known, I doubt hardly any would change their minds.
"You see, in the animal kingdom (which we as humans are suppose to be), there is very little occurence of evil animals. They live by their instinct and animals with the best traits grow in numbers."
How can morality be applied to non-sapient creatures?
How, exactly, does this question counter my argument? Neither I nor my statements here support Evolution, so why do you expect me to respond with an Evolutionary viewpoint?
God Himself did come down to Earth and make His presence known, they called Him Jesus.....and He said that even if one returned from the dead to warn the unbelievers, they still would refuse to believe.
I think From Within is pointing out that some animals, like pandas which are vegetarian, show no behavior which anybody could label as evil...and evil is rampant in people. In Noah's day before the flood, "every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually", "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and the whole earth was filled with violence....and abortion and other evils in the world today are much like before the flood, indicating that God will soon destroy the world by fire.
