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true, false.
Debate Score:53
Arguments:26
Total Votes:65
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The majority of our lives are spent in an anarchist enviroment.

An anarchist enviroment being one which lacks an acting coercive authority.

After one aquires a place of their own, one meerly has to avoid the attention of the cops and go to work.

It thus appears 1/3 to 2/3s of a average person's life is an anarchistic one.

true,

Side Score: 28
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Side Score: 25
9 points

I agree. The government really doesn't seem to exist until it interferes in our society.

Side: true,
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

I agree. The government really doesn't seem to exist until it interferes in our society.

Do you follow traffic laws? Do you steal from people who you think owe you something? Do you kill those who deserve it?

Side: False.
4 points

Rarely do I see the need for coercion to spark order. 99.9% of the time, persons just do things voluntary. Given your use of the word "anarchist", this statement is correct.

Side: true,
0 points

Yes we are living in the center of an evil anarchist enviroment! we all are surrounded by evil everywhere we go and there is no escape for anyone!!

Side: true,
2 points

An anarchist enviroment being one which lacks a government.

After one aquires a place of their own, one meerly has to avoid the attention of the cops and go to work.

Side: False.
1 point

A downvote without a rebuttal? Am I surprised? Not really.

Side: False.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

Is it not obvious that replacing a category by one of its sub category and highlighting a phrase fails to constitute an argument?

It also fails to really point anything out, perhaps you interpreted "avoiding the attention of the cops" as an active activity rather then a passive one?

Side: true,

A downvote without a rebuttal? Am I surprised? Not really.

We have addressed both instances with the action they deserve.

Side: False.
2 points

People who live within the jurisdiction of a government tend to monitor their actions based on the expectations of that government, even if a representative is not physically present. When one is at home, or work, they may not be face to face with a police officer, but they have the knowledge that stepping outside the bounds of the law will have consequences delivered by the government.

I do not think this qualifies as an anarchist environment, as laws very much influence our environment and our actions, although they are not an immediately or constantly tangible.

Side: False.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

:) thank you zombee.

I agree that if one is domesticated then a coercive agent is still acting though the fear it has instigated.

However what if such a fear was absent or one knew that stepping out of bounds would not result in consequences being delivered if it was done when nobody was looking?

Side: true,
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

I agree that if one is domesticated then a coercive agent is still acting though the fear it has instigated.

What do you mean by domesticated in this context?

However what if such a fear was absent

Then, if this person has any urge to carry out an illegal action, they will probably end up a criminal.

or one knew that stepping out of bounds would not result in consequences being delivered if it was done when nobody was looking?

Disobeying the law only when it is undetectable still implies the awareness of a government presence; for example, a person who waits until no one is looking to steal something is still aware that it is illegal to steal, and modifies their behavior in kind to avoid punishment.

Side: False.
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

I agree that if one is domesticated then a coercive agent is still acting though the fear it has instigated.

People are not domesticated, they accept that there are consequences for their actions. When those consequences vanish, you get Mogadishu.

However what if such a fear was absent or one knew that stepping out of bounds would not result in consequences being delivered if it was done when nobody was looking?

Somalia.

Side: False.

An anarchist enviroment being one which lacks an acting coercive authority.

You have misconstrued your own analogy. If the residence is to be seen as the supposedly anarchistic society, it stands that the lone inhabitant is to be seen as the total population of the society. As the person is in charge of themselves when in this residence, they may be seen as the authority and the subservient population.

After one aquires a place of their own, one meerly has to avoid the attention of the cops and go to work.

And at work, one answers to superiors, or authority.

It thus appears 1/3 to 2/3s of a average person's life is an anarchistic one.

Patently incorrect.

Side: False.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

The single man could not be a coercive authority. Coercion occurs between two parties.

Work is not where the majority of our lives are spent.

Side: true,
1 point

The single man could not be a coercive authority. Coercion occurs between two parties.

As we have explained, the single man must be counted as the total population, thus he is king and subject. One must also be aware that the individual is still availing of the resources and services of an ordered state (electricity, water etc) and is hence not truly independent.

Work is not where the majority of our lives are spent.

We know this. We have simply proven your logic to be false.

Side: False.
1 point

No matter what we do, government still exists. It doesn't matter if we're in the privacy of our own homes playing board games, the government is still functioning.

If we were living in an anarchist environment, all functions of the government would cease. Gangs would take over and very likely we wouldn't be in the comfort of our own homes playing board games, since we'll be dead and all.

Unless someone is a fisherman in international waters, we are constantly under government rule. Saying that taking a shit is an anarchist lifestyle doesn't help anyone's ideology.

Side: False.
1 point

We are governed by our clothing, we are governed by our choices, we are governed by our watches.

Side: False.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

I suppose the master is governed by the slave as well but that is a different type of govern, as a mustang(car) is different from a mustang(horse). Everything is connected and influences everything, but not everything is coercive in the present moment.

Side: true,
1 point

If anyone genuinely believes this, then they should try breaking the law a few times. You might not believe that government exists in your affairs all the time, but try committing a criminal offense and watch what happens.

Side: False.
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Crimes occur every day and many of them go unnoticed( like speeding, reckless driving, small thefts, providing alcohol to a minor, underage drinking,underage smoking, abuse, neglect,drug use etc), and of the few that are noticed many go unsolved.

A few months ago a couple friends of mine got arrested for burglary they didn't get caught because one of them was on the surveillance, the finger prints on the safe, the shoe print, their prior history, less then a minute after bailing a store employee coming in to open shop, their handling of the majority of the goods... no they got caught because one of them was dumb with some track-able inventory they took. Despite everything the cops had, there is only one reason why the case was solved. This generalizes, the majority of cases are solved because people do not manage their social connections in a manner which the cops can not use to track them down. In the case I speak one of my friends traded lottery tickets with people, only to have those lottery tickets monitored and those he traded them with pointing the cops to him. If it wasn't for that they would of gotten away free.

Its amazing the crimes people can get away with, one time a friend of mine unpackaged a game system, out in the open, while standing in a store; and walked out with it. Another time a friend was talking to a store employee, flirting actually, from across the isle and slipped a neck-less without her ever noticing.

When it comes to stopping crimes, and finding criminals; the police are very very ineffective and aren't even to be considered if you know how to handle your mouth and what was taken from the scene; the only time you should really even worry about the possibility of the cops finding you is if they notice a lot of your crimes, and notice a possible signature/pattern of some kind in them or if you are likely to be questioned as a person of interest and are not sure if you can lie effectively..

Side: true,
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Crimes occur every day and many of them go unnoticed( like speeding, reckless driving, small thefts, providing alcohol to a minor, underage drinking,underage smoking, abuse, neglect,drug use etc), and of the few that are noticed many go unsolved.

Yet many of them are noticed. If your argument is that some of them go unnoticed, therefore it is like living in an anarchy, then you've missed the mark because it is enough that they are caught and punished because that is the antithesis of an anarchy.

A few months ago a couple friends of mine got arrested for burglary they didn't get caught because one of them was on the surveillance, the finger prints on the safe, the shoe print, their prior history, less then a minute after bailing a store employee coming in to open shop, their handling of the majority of the goods... no they got caught because one of them was dumb with some track-able inventory they took. Despite everything the cops had, there is only one reason why the case was solved. This generalizes, the majority of cases are solved because people do not manage their social connections in a manner which the cops can not use to track them down. In the case I speak one of my friends traded lottery tickets with people, only to have those lottery tickets monitored and those he traded them with pointing the cops to him. If it wasn't for that they would of gotten away free.

And in an anarchy this would not have been the case at all. Indeed he would not have to hide his crimes or even attempt to hide them, because there is no penalty for burglary.

When it comes to stopping crimes, and finding criminals; the police are very very ineffective and aren't even to be considered if you know how to handle your mouth and what was taken from the scene; the only time you should really even worry about the possibility of the cops finding you is if they notice a lot of your crimes, and notice a possible signature/pattern of some kind in them or if you are likely to be questioned as a person of interest and are not sure if you can lie effectively..

Same as before, why are you modifying your actions at all if living life in society is mostly like an anarchy? The simple answer is that life in a state isn't an anarchy, and so it doesn't matter what the chance is of you being punished, because it is a matter of comparing a greater than zero chance of punishment with a zero chance.

Side: False.