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The only further left liberalism can go is Mao

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It's just how you draw the sliding scale. If you're an absolutist who has three segments on their sliding scale (liberal, moderate, conservative) then it's true liberalism is bordering on Mao. But if you have a 100 point scale and you carefully put every nation on the scale you would end up with most of the world between the 20-80 range and only the most extreme examples beyond that range.

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A dictatorship is a hierarchy. The left wants the opposite of a hierarchy. The solitary concept of left wing politics is to equalise power and wealth, and by bringing up names like Mao you turn that concept upside down.

Mao claimed to be influenced by the writings of Marx, so you put him on the left, but the reality was that Mao was a dictator (i.e. hierarchist) whose rise to power was violently opposed by Chinese Marxist-Lennists. That is, until Mao had them all killed.

We see a similar version of history in Soviet Russia, where Stalin the great opportunist, looking to consolidate his own power, had his political rivals and genuine Marxists like Trotsky murdered. We see it again in Nazi Germany, during the night of the long knives, when the Nazis had most of the left killed, along with many ordinary establishment conservatives.

The point is that all of these men (i.e. Mao, Stalin and Hitler) shared behaviour and beliefs which exclude them de facto from left wing ideology. While you busy yourself guffawing at this, consider the current American trend of berating the left with phrases like "SJW" and "snowflake". Do "social justice warrior" or "snowflake" sound like an accurate personality description of either Stalin or Mao?

Face facts. These people were just like you and your alt-right heroes. You worship people like Mao and Stalin as gods.

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OmegaPan(703) Disputed
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Mao was a dictator (i.e. hierarchist) whose rise to power was violently opposed by Chinese Marxist-Lennists. That is, until Mao had them all killed

It's so true. Communists are well known for killing their own people and each other and never keeping any of their promises to their people.

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It's so true. Communists are well known for killing their own people

Are you stupid? You think Mao had these people killed because they agreed with him?

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Amarel(5470) Disputed
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A dictatorship is a hierarchy. The left wants the opposite of a hierarchy. The solitary concept of left wing politics is to equalise power and wealth

This is exactly what leads to Mao and the whole host of Leftist Tyrants. If people are left free, they will not be equal. Not everyone is of equal capacity. Disparate outcomes are a product of freedom. To equalize wealth and power, a people must be forced. The freedom to rise in life must be suppressed. Those free to fall in life, must be propped up.

Equality before the law is the only systematic equality a Capitalist cares about. Pushing for equality of wealth and power has always lead to a version of Mao.

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This is exactly what leads to Mao and the whole host of Leftist Tyrants

Opposition to fascist dictatorship is what causes fascist dictatorship?

The Orwell is strong with you today, Herr Amarel.

If people are left free, they will not be equal.

That depends entirely on the context the word "equal" is being used in. When socialists use the word "equal" they mean socially equal, not physically or intellectually equal. Hence, you are misrepresenting the context of the word "equal" in order to build a straw man fallacy.

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OmegaPan(703) Disputed
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A dictatorship is a hierarchy. The left wants the opposite of a hierarchy

You can call creating a god like government with control over what you say and whether you eat or not today whatever you feel like calling it.

Face facts. These people were just like you and your alt-right heroes.

Calling Independents "alt right" is pretty sickening. Let me guess. You're a Satanist who sacrifices children because I say so.

You worship people like Mao and Stalin as gods.

Trust me. Communists are in your tribe, and your tribe doesn't get god status. At least not from me. Maybe you give them God status seeing you keep telling us how wonderful Communism is for fighting Nazis, never dreaming that two evil groups can exist and fight each other and neither one be great or good.

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You can call creating a god like government with control over what you say and whether you eat or not today whatever you feel like calling it.

I just explained that the left does not want that. Liberals perhaps want that, but liberalism is only the left of capitalism, not the actual left. Marx wrote about the complete dissolution of the state, so I would suggest you do a lot more reading and a lot less writing. At present your complete ignorance of the ideology you are attacking is not assisting your credibility.

Calling Independents "alt right"

You are an independent in the same way that Hitler was an independent. Shut up.

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xMathFanx(1743) Clarified
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@Nomenclature

A dictatorship is a hierarchy. The left wants the opposite of a hierarchy. The solitary concept of left wing politics is to equalise power and wealth,

You have taken the position of There Should be No Freedom of Speech on this forum--how does that fit in?

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You have taken the position of There Should be No Freedom of Speech on this forum

@xMathFanx

You are using a purposefully sensationalist title I used for a single debate as a springboard to deliberately misrepresenting my views. My position is actually that you should not be permitted to deliberately misrepresent other people's views, so the irony of your attack cannot be understated.

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xMathFanx(1743) Clarified
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@Nomenclature

A dictatorship is a hierarchy. The left wants the opposite of a hierarchy. The solitary concept of left wing politics is to equalise power and wealth, and by bringing up names like Mao you turn that concept upside down.

I agree with you in principle, however a huge problem with the typical talk surrounding the Left-Right dynamic is that the many of the positions/views on both sides are self-contradictory and often highly out of step with theory.

A few examples I have previously given about this from the Left are "The Crisis of Democracy", Plato's "Republic", student "protests" designed to shut-down Free Speech, ect. ect. From the Right, there are also a plethora of self-contradictory positions such as Small Government but massive military with a global presence, Nationalism and sovereignty are of chief importance but we should perpetually interfere with the affairs of other Nations, Lazefaire Capitalism in theory should reign supreme however promote all sorts of Mixed Economy positions, "Family values" are most important but most parents are encouraged to physically, emotionally, psychologically, educationally, ect. abuse their children, ect. ect.

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I agree with you in principle

I don't care. My sincere apologies but I do not respect you or your opinion.

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You confuse progressives with statists..............................................................................

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