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 The pillars of liberalism. (23)

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The pillars of liberalism.

Religious freedom, political freedom, education freedom, healthcare freedom, and financial freedom. Are you noticing a common theme here? It is FREEDOM. Spread the word. 

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Religious freedom, political freedom, education freedom, health care freedom, and financial freedom.

That is Classical Liberalism. If you are referring to modern liberalism (progressivism) then education freedom, health care freedom and financial freedom to not usually apply.

Sitara(11080) Disputed
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It is modern liberals who are fighting for education freedom, healthcare freedom, and financial freedom. The conservatives do not care about these things. I know how conservatives think because i used to be one.

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1. I'm not a conservative. I'm a classical liberal.

2. Liberals fight for a government monopoly in the education system which you are forced to pay fore. Liberals fight for a government monopoly in the healthcare system which you are forced to pay for. As for financial freedom, being forced to hand half your pay check to the government- well, you get the point...

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But is complete freedom good for society? Should people have the freedom to shout sexist or racist comments, or give hate speeches on similar subjects?

Should people be free to expose children to extreme violence or explicit sexual scenes?

Should people have the freedom to cause harm to themselves?

Is freedom such a good thing after all, is there a clear line where someone's freedom then infringes the freedom of another person. Can freedom be assigned to anything, freedom to steal, rape or kill?

Sitara(11080) Clarified
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I am not talking about the freedom to oppress other people. True liberals oppose that.

Axmeister(4321) Disputed
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But then where does freedom end and oppression begin? Is it a form of oppression if I play music too loudly in the middle of the night, or am I just exercising my freedom?

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But is complete freedom good for society? Should people have the freedom to shout sexist or racist comments, or give hate speeches on similar subjects?

Yes. Limited speech is not free speech and I will accept nothing less than free speech for all, not just those that the majority deems to be morally fit.

Should people have the freedom to cause harm to themselves?

Something tells me this about drugs. Regardless of the war on drugs being a total failure, not stopping people from buying drugs, using drugs, selling drugs, making drugs and creating a huge black market that feeds crime syndicates, for liberty's sake people should have the right to smoke a joint without being thrown in jail.

Can freedom be assigned to anything, freedom to steal, rape or kill?

Freedom to steal infringes on a someone's property rights. Freedom to rape infringes on someone's right to decide who they have sex with. Freedom to kill infringes on someone's right to not get shot on their way to work.

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This is classical liberalism, not the type of liberalism you identify with. Of course not all progressives think alike, but they are generally not in favor of any of the freedoms you listed other than perhaps religious freedom. They tend to like a sizeable amount of regulation in the economy and typically favor government overhauling of the healthcare system. I'm not quite sure what you mean by political freedom; anyone over the age of 18 or a naturalized citizen can already vote so I'm guessing you're referring to something else.

Sitara(11080) Disputed
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Bullshit. Liberalism equals freedom .

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National Bolshevik all the way with a LDPR in there. Y=You can look up what the LDPR is yourself.