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The terrorists won on 9/11!

The terrorist attacks on 9/11/01 were designed to spread fear, harm the economy, weaken our freedom, and drive us apart. Although we did come together as a nation after 9/11 this was short lived. Now we live in fear of another attack, we lost some freedoms we once had and our economy is on the verge of collapse. It was Ben franklin who once said "Those who are willing to give up a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and lose both! this country is divided possibly more than it ever has been and I think you can draw a direct line to 9/11!

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2 points

Yes i agree compltely, the response of the US played right into the hands of those people who carried out the attack.

Side: True
1 point

Please explain your thoughts. This is a debate and you need to come up with an argument to fit your claims.

Side: True
garry77777(1796) Disputed
4 points

No offense but i did present an argument,and it was greater than the 50 character limit, and if you are going to criticise me for tjhat length of argument then you have a lot more epople to criticise as these short argument are common on this site. I answered the debate, thats all thats really required on a for/against debate.

Now my piont is pretty obvious, the radical elements of Isalm were emboldened by the US response to 9/11, the "war of terror" has created more mcuh more terrorism than before 9/11 occured, this means that the radical elements have won, as the muslim world has become a healthy breeding ground for them, and rightly so, muslims everywhere are justifiably agrieved at the agressive impreialistic actions of the US, and what they perceive (rightly i believe) as an attack on all of them colleectively, and their way of life. Didn't you know if you don't have a McDonalds on your street corner you're not a civilised human being.

BTW sorry i didn't mean to dispute you.

Side: True
1 point

The terrorists did what they had to do. It not necessarily mean the Al Qaeda. Now that is a controversy. Whoever was behind it attempted a terrorizing act. And yes, they succeeded. To a great extent. It's left wounds and the scars will always remain.

Is there someone who must be blamed? Yes.. If I were asked it is America!

Side: True
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
1 point

The only people who deserve blame are those who carried out the actions, we did not perpetrate these attacks therefore we are not to blame.

Side: False
garry77777(1796) Disputed
2 points

Really so the fact that you occupised their lands with military, prevented them from ruling themseves by supporting brutal dictators, and stoppping a mvoes towards democracy, stealing their resources, supportings Isreal genocide against the palestians, etc. etc.

Despite all this you deserve no blame, you did nothing to provoke anyone, is that bullshit you're reting to peddle here?

Get Real.

Side: True
92nida(1411) Disputed
1 point

we did not perpetrate these attacks therefore we are not to blame.

Really? What was America doing stationed in Iraq, in Libya. Oh come on... We aren't blind here. There is a clear motive. Everyone knows that!

Side: True
1 point

i agree and disagree first america will have scars and wounds but we will continue we are the only nation that defends the defenseless and the only one who would have the balls to attack china if they got out of place btw its not only us its also our wonderful allies also america cant be blamed because they are simply defending their people

Side: False
92nida(1411) Disputed
1 point

we are the only nation that defends the defenseless

What kinda defense? That invites unwanted horror.

Defense.... What kind if it means another thousand deaths of those you are trying to save.

also america cant be blamed because they are simply defending their people

Well quite honestly, America must pay a bit of attention to their own people at last because currently the situation is worth all the underestimation.

Side: True
1 point

I do agree, that they won by those goals. It was designed to do all those things, and more, like break our American spirit. Make us feel divided And make us feel powerless.

But they did not break our spirit, they only made us feel closer (only divided us further from the airport security), and we didn't feel powerless... we felt upset, grief shock. And after we were able to feel anything other than that, we didn't feel like we lost, that it wasn't worth it anymore or that we were powerless; it was the exact opposite. It lit a new fire under us.

They definitely won in one department in particular... making us feel unsafe. So unsafe that our airports are a complete nightmare and full of paranoia.

Side: Somewhat true
Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

Yes but that was temporary. now Washington disagrees and is divided more and more. There seems to be a wider cultural divide between sides and more paranioa than ever before. We are not closer now as a nation than we were 11 years ago. We actually seem to be further apart! Part of that is our economic instability due in part to the attack on our financial hub. We are doing more to divide our own country than the terrorists did. That is the real shame of it!

Side: True
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

The government is divided. But the government is always divided, the government is never anything the entire American nation is wholly proud of. So that is really not much of an accomplishment.

And all of the points you bring up either happened before 9/11 or were starting to happen (logically probable that it would happen) down the road, which so happens to be after 9/11.

The paranoia is definitely caused by 9/11, but the rest of it, no.

The terrorists have not won.

Side: False
1 point

I disagree. The economy was going to crash with or with out them. What loss of freedom all u lost was time when u when u go to check Ur bags. And we came together yes short lived for the most part but in some parts not at all we are still fighting a war and we just Finishing a new memorial for it. As for the terrorist all they got out of it in the long run was a war that they are losing. I will never forget what happened that September day when the world stopped turning.

Side: False
2 points

I said it played a part. Not that it was the cause of the collapse! I think the attack really brought down the confidence in investors and consumers and that irreparably hurt the economy!

Side: False
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

"I said it played a part. "

Id be amzed if you could find a single economist who thinks 9// had anything to do with the financial meltdown.

Side: True

yeah i want to send a shout out to the soldiers who have the good intentions and scream at government cause they are jerks and one day when im in congress i will help change that

Side: False
1 point

I hardly think they won. What they did was hardly victorious. All they did was increase terrorism awareness and cause the U.S. army to kill thousands of them in return. The terrorists could care less about our economy, all they care about is causing fear and death among Americans. Did the Japanese win when they bombed Pearl Harbor? No!

Side: False
1 point

I think this article raises a lot of good questions:

http://news.yahoo.com/safer-today-9-11-181804013.html

Side: False

The hard thing about fighting terrorist is the only way to stop them is to wipe them off the place of the planet. Terrorist live to make anyone they don't like submissive to them and their ideas. If you submit to them they think you are weak, they have no "respect" for you and will treat you like they treat their women. If you stand up to them they will "respect" you but will kill you anyway because you are an "infidel". I don't think that they have won because unlike anything they have experienced WE will stop them ALL. Then people all around the world will be free and without that fear.

Side: False
casper3912(1581) Disputed
3 points

A terrorist is someone that uses uses a specific tactic, namely attacks designed to illicit a sense of fear in others to accomplish an ideological goal, especially when they disregard or target non-combatants.

Whether they want total submission to their ideology or not is irrelevant to whether they are or are not terrorists.

This tactic is common in times of desperation, its impossible to stop the tactic from being used without eradicating these times of desperation. War, will only increase such desperation. To put it simply, you can't end terrorism by killing terrorists because for each one you kill, you turn 2 of their brothers into terrorists.

Side: True
garry77777(1796) Disputed
2 points

The FBI use the following definition of terrorism: "“the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)."

By this definition the US are the greatest terrorists of the 20 and 21st centuries, everything you said is complete bull, you are mainly regurgitating US propaganda placed in your head by your corporate controlled media, congradulation's you are corporate cellular automaton, go watch some american gladiators.

"Then people all around the world will be free and without that fear."

This level of naivety speaks for itself really, i wish the world was as simple as is it in your head my friend, i really do.

Side: True
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
1 point

The USA does not use unlawful tactics, therefore your statement is incorrect. To be honest much of what you say is complete gibberish, conspiracy theories and the like, and if you call defending South Korea from North Korea and ensuring that they remained a prosperous and free nation then I suppose we are terrorists.

Side: False
Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

i agree with much of your statement. i agree that standing up to them is the way to go. Unfortunately at first the wrong country was attacked when the focus should have been Afghanistan. Also we will unfortunately NEVER get them all. It is like when i was in pest control. Sometimes vermin cannot be wiped out completely but brought down to more managable numbers so less damage is done!

Side: True