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IQ requirement on leader Any idiot the mob choose
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The top 5% IQ should be our leaders

Ok, I entertain the argument that maybe we should keep some form of elections.  But, there should be IQ and Academic requirement for candidates 

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Any idiot the mob choose

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Nonsense , most dictators have high I Qs and good educations how do you think they manipulate and outmaneuver every opponent that stands in their way

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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Then, j0dy, there's OUR dictator. It OBVIOUSLY doesn't take a genius to "manipulate and outmaneuver". :-)

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😂😂😂ya got me there Al 👌..........l..

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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Has the SOCIALIST checked the IQ of the IDIOT known as AOC ???????? LMMFAO !!!!!

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The top 5% IQ should be our leaders

The notion of Trial by Competency, I am in support of. However, intelligence--as, IQ is a (failed) proxy for intelligence--is insufficient in-it-of-itself to demonstrate clear superiority. There are a great many attributes that make a person what they are, spanning various domains such as mental strength, physical strength, and otherwise. In order to determine a person superior, or inferior, one must take all such attributes into account.

Consider, as means of mental imagery, the example of video games with character attribute bars/meters displaying the strength, or weakness, of specific traits. Then, with this information, one can calculate averages for specific broad categories based on sub-traits, as well as a total average. Map this onto our world, and understand that each person has this bar graph template inherently attached to them as well, and it is exceedingly useful to decipher so as to be wielded as a powerful tool in the kit when evaluating the state of things.

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However, intelligence--as, IQ is a (failed) proxy for intelligence--is insufficient in-it-of-itself to demonstrate clear superiority. There are a great many attributes that make a person what they are, spanning various domains such as mental strength, physical strength, and otherwise

Agreed. There is a great deal more towards being superior than IQ. While it is remarkably beneficial it is not the single most important attribute. While he was alive Steven Hawking could have made a great leader; he had the IQ, the motivation and the passion it would take to lead, however his physical capabilities could have been seen as a drawback or distraction to others.

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@Mint Tea

Agreed. There is a great deal more towards being superior than IQ. While it is remarkably beneficial it is not the single most important attribute.

Yes.

For instance, a quick list of other relevant attributes could include, though not limited to (in no particular order):

-Perseverance

-Courage

-Verbal Fluency/Command of Language

-Integrity/Strength of Character

-Discernment

-Wisdom

-Composure/Remain Calm Under Pressure

-Order/Organization

-Creativity

-Strength of Physical Health i.e. Immune System, Maintenance of Physical "Youth"

-Admired/Naturally Respected by Others

-Strong Physicality & Ability to apply Strength in "Battle"

-Honesty

-Loyalty

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etc.

There is quite a list of character traits to consider, putting all of the weight on any one in particular seems misplaced, to me. Although, some attributes may in fact be, and likely are, more relevant than others. For instance, "integrity" would seem to be high up on the list in my view.

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Yes, there’s a wide mix of things to consider a person competent. But just as an easy filter, I think a minimal IQ base would better than what’s going on now. Just saying.

Also dude, if you want to influence or come across to the general population- you need to use PLAIN ENGLISH lol. I have an IQ of 130+, but I don’t go out of my way to use huge words and talk over people s heads. Just a suggestion

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xMathFanx(1742) Clarified
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@Slavedevice

Also dude, if you want to influence or come across to the general population- you need to use PLAIN ENGLISH lol.

The suggestion being my former post is undecipherable to the vast majority? I find that exceedingly doubtful.

Also, I am able to speak across intelligence ranges rather well, actually--and can adjust according to the audience. The key is to find a window into their (i.e. the audience's) world, and utilize analogies, symbolism, poetic-styled language, story, etc.

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Additional note:

IQ is a majority nonsense measure, as stated previously and discussed briefly in prior posts on CD. If you want to ball-park a person's intelligence, analyze their ability to create or destroy, the difference hinging upon morality or immorality.

For instance, I do not need to see an IQ score for Leonardo Da Vinci to gather his exceptional level of intellect, as he was able to objectively produce so much. Likewise, I do not require the knowledge of Voldemort's (from Harry Potter) IQ points as he displayed a remarkable ability to destroy.

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The top 5% IQ should be our leaders

Sweet. So Christians should be our leaders.

https://garydemar.com/10-highest-iqs-least-8-theists-least-6-christians/

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IQ, common sense, and moral integrity don't always go hand in hand, so guess not.

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Well, what do we do with our lo-IQ President that refuses to show his??? Impeach him for having his henchmen threaten officials if they don't "lock his up"??

Well, let's see:

#2 Adams, his IQ was 155

#3 Jefferson ……………..160

#4 Madison ……………...160

#6 JQ Adams …………...175

$13 Fillmore ……………..145

#16 Lincoln ……………...150

#21 Arthur ………………..152.3

#26 Teddy R. …………...153

#28 Wilson ………………..155.2

#32 FDR …………………….150.5

#35 JFK ……………………..159.8

#39 Carter ………………..156.8

#42 Clinton ……………….159

#45 Trump ………………..??? (sealed) For obvious reasons!

I agree, they should ALL be required to show their IQ … along WITH their tax returns, birth certificates, world wide "associates", etc. :-)

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I noticed Obama wasn't on your list. It's a mystery as to why...

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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I suppose that it's one of those "show me yours, I'll show you MINE". He showed his Birth Certificate, Trump didn't accept it, why should he push it??

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I noticed Obama wasn't on your list.

I noticed you upvoted your own shitpost three times using alt accounts.

I also noticed you are proliferating far right propaganda and hate speech on a number of different websites besides this one. For example:-

At 7/22/2016 9:09:04 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

The Saudis are a cancer. Let the Northern Shiites rid the world of them with short range balistic missiles, tacticle nucleur weapons and a bronto Bomber which drops unlimited pig snouts on the checkerboard headed goat sacrificing bastards.

And:-

99% of all global terrorism is carried out by Muslims

https://www.debate.org/YYW/forums/1143/

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#2 Adams, his IQ was 155

Awesome. You have the intelligence score of a man who lived prior to the invention of the intelligence test...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Binet

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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I dunno. Scratch that one, if you wish. The other thing is, his records show he was no dummy and obviously MUST have been a genius.

Same with Obama. Editor of the Harvard Law Review. That's an honor not given to anyone NOT outstanding, soooo I think there's a fair assumption there. Obama wasn't one to blow his own TRUMPet!

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You have the intelligence score of a man who lived prior to the invention of the intelligence test.

If he lived prior to the invention of the intelligence test then obviously he can't have an intelligence score you fucking IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

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There's no fucking way he was a 155 IQ genius. That is literally top 5-6% of humans to breach past.

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I agree, they should ALL be required to show their IQ … along WITH their tax returns, birth certificates, world wide "associates", etc. :-)

Awesome. I guess Ocasio Cortez and Maxine Waters' careers are over.

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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When did THEY enter the Presidential race??? Must'a missed that. ;-)

If THEY run for President I'll want to see the whole package from them. I'm an equal opportunity voter.

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Well, what do we do with our lo-IQ President that refuses to show his???

He refused to show hist tax returns as well. Libs nabbed them. Turned out he paied $40 million in taxes in one year in the highest tax bracket...

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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When they check that out they'll likely find he owed $80M.

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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Now GRANDPAW in it's CONFUSED STATE has tied tax returns to an IQ !! HAS the confusion of the SOCIALIST not been SHOWN here ??????????

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!! The IDIOT cannot not say what his PET NEGRO'S IQ is !!!!!!!!!!

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Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
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I definitely back a minimum IQ requirement, but the true issue I believe is one of morality and/or self-deception. Politicians aren't generally stupid people. It is more frequently the case that they are smart but also selfish and dishonest.

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TruthMachine(83) Disputed
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Most Democrats wouldn't pass an IQ test.

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That's funny. I think love of country and the desire to protect and defend the Constitution would be more important. You don't need to be a genius to do that. However, a genius can neglect to do so.

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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Yeah. Trump THINKS he's a genius, and HE neglects to do so. He sides with Putin and Kim over OUR Intelligence Patriots! Protect and defend??? A Genius COULD neglect to do so, but we've never had one do it …. until NOW! But then, he hasn't shown U.S. that he's a genius, yet. He "locked up" the evidence!

Putin knows, though. He's NOT!

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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When will your buddy JERRY NADLER begin his investigations on those that do not vote LEFTIST ????????

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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DUMMY does your BUTT BUDDY NADLER know how many PUTIN VOTERS cast a vote for TRUMP ??????????

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That's funny. I think love of country and the desire to protect and defend the Constitution would be more important.

With respect, I think that's probably because you're stupid. Not only are there no reliable ways to gauge the parameters you mentioned, but "love of country" is the dying breath of the uncivilised and primitive "us and them" philosophy.

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There's a reason they aren't. They are all intelligent enough to be but none are extroverted enough to want to. Aside from that, many unbelievably cruel leaders were geniuses. Bonaparte (cruel but fair), Genghis Khan (cruel and a lunatic), Hitler and probably Fidel Castro as well, I would estimate are four examples of geniuses (easily in the top 15% of humans but top 5% has never been in charge as they're always too introverted).

I am at the very least a top 20%er in my estimation and factoring in how much stupider I was when I was younger (yes, I believe my actual IQ not just knowledge-bank has increased with age due to active training of my brain). I reckon I'm a 142'er whereas my younger self was (officially tested multiple times) to be 124-127. I am extremely sure I have noticed enough genius alterations in me and my brain that I'd score that. Online tests support me on this notion but they are irrelevant and almost always shape (visual intelligence) obsessed whereas I am a systematic/numbers kind of genius but I still score high enough on the visuals-section.

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There's a reason they aren't. They are all intelligent enough to be but none are extroverted enough to want to.

Yes. None of them. You've studied every single one...

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AlofRI(2818) Clarified
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Hmmmm. Where'd you get Bonaparte and Genghis Kahn's IQ's. Wasn't that "before they existed"??

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Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
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I didn't make that argument, Bontoraptor did. Einstein was also around just before IQ tests but they accurately 'know' he is 160ish

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outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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DUMMY you need to tell us what your PET AFRICAN's IQ is ! Do not walk around IT you LITTLE BITCH pony up some information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
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Amarel(4987) Clarified
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125 to 127 is already in the top 5%. 1 in 20 is still a whole lot of people, with plenty of room for extroverts.

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Mingiwuwu(1481) Disputed
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No it's more like top 30%ish (if we take the 127 yeah, 125 is pushing into 34% instead)

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