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Debate Score:25
Arguments:23
Total Votes:25
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The universe requires a creator, that creator is God.

By philosophically anaylzing this issue we know that the universe cannot create itself. God has to be the cause behind it.

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Side Score: 8
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Side Score: 17
2 points

The universe is not an eternal thing. It is finite, and anything finite requires an explaination and cause to it's existence. The only cause for the universe being here is God!

John 1:3 - "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

Side: True
lolzors93(3225) Clarified
1 point

Philosophically the question--for the most part--isn't whether effects have causes. The question is what the first cause is. You say the universe is finite, but how do we know it be finite?

Side: True

The universe cannot be eternal. The universe is expanding. What is expanding must have started from a point. If it was truly eternal it would have to remain unchangable. The universe has changed. The universe is not eternal. It requires a creator. That creator is God.

Side: True
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Having a cause and having a creator are 2 different things.

Side: False
Faithful2God(24) Disputed
1 point

That is right and I should probably retract what I have put out. The cause is the creator, and that creator is God.

Side: True
1 point

all life derives from a source of intelligence and is triune indeed

Side: True
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

So you often say, but you never bother to elucidate on this. One would wonder if you can?

Side: False
1 point

We are triune, composed of three elements.

1) The body.

2) ...

3) The soul.

See, three, so everything is triune.

Side: False
4 points

The visible universe very likely had a beginning, sure. But the visible universe is not necessarily the entirety of all existence. It is very possible there are other planes of existence whose inherent forces could have caused the universe we are familiar with to begin existing.

It seems to me this is a position theists concede to when saying things like "God is outside of time and space." It sounds like God exists in some higher dimension, unseeable, and undetectable to us, from which he created the known universe.

If both sides accept the existence of higher dimensions or alternate planes of existence, and both sides agree that something about these extra dimensions caused the beginning of the known universe, then I guess the question comes down to whether or not this extra-dimensional cause was a conscious, intentional agent, or unconscious, natural phenomena.

I tend to lean towards it being unconscious, unplanned, natural phenomena. The observable universe just does not make much since if it were created only for us to carry out our short mortal lives on this tiny rock in space, being tested to see if we're worthy of some sort of grand afterlife reward.

The Hubble Deep Field image covers an area about one 24-millionth of the sky, and shows nearly 3000 galaxies. There are galaxies so far away that we'll likely never even know they exist. None of them need to exist in order for us to live out our lives here on Earth. If the universe was created for us, and only us, then the Hubble Deep Field image should be a black void. No reason for those hundreds of billions of galaxies to exist. There are plenty of stars in the Milky Way to light up our night sky and give us wonder and awe.

Also, the assumption of intelligent agency when explaining natural phenomenon doesn't seem to have a very good track record. Doesn't mean it's not possible in this case, just that I think I'd need some pretty hardcore evidence to convince me.

Side: False

Then who or what created God? If God is eternal or does not need a creator, then why can't the same go for the universe?

Side: False
Faithful2God(24) Disputed
1 point

Nothing can create God. God is the necessity of all things. Without God nothing can come into being. The universe is expanding which means it has a starting point. If the universe had a start the it was created. Theories claiming that the universe is eternal are flawed and have been shown to be false. The only thing capable of creating such a thing is God! For he is almighty in his ways and nothing is too hard for him to do.

Side: True
2 points

Nothing can create God. God is the necessity of all things. Without God nothing can come into being.

Why?

The universe is expanding which means it has a starting point. If the universe had a start the it was created.

Okay so the universe had a starting point and was created... why are you so quick to come to the conclusion of "God"? For all we know, super advanced alien cats could have created the universe.

The only thing capable of creating such a thing is God!

Why not super advanced alien cats?

For he is almighty in his ways and nothing is too hard for him to do.

Can god create a being more powerful than himself? Can god create a four-sided triangle?

Side: False
1 point

We know that the universe had a start, we don't know if it was created.

Side: False

It is possible that it came into being without a divine creator. That is a fact creationists need to accept.

Side: False

The Universe was Created by a Micro Atom that contained too much Energy. Due to the congestion it Exploded causing the Big Bang. That not only makes a lot of sense, but there's a lot of Evidence proving the Big Bang. If there was a god, Humanoids would have found have evidence a long time ago.

Side: False