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Debate Score:16
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The world is better off if the US just leaves the Paris Agreement

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/05/america_doesn_t_deserve_the_paris_agreement.html

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Side Score: 11
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Side Score: 5

All that happens with these agreements is the West complies, and the rest of the world still does what it wants and dares us to do something about it and... we do nothing because we can't justify world wars over economic production.

Side: Yes
2 points

The USA is on track to meet its carbon reduction set forth by the Copenhagen talks in 2009. We will have lowered it by 16.3 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. The USA doesn't need to be in the Paris agreement to reduce it.

All this Paris agreement is is a massive transfer of wealth from rich countries to poor countries. 100 billion a year starting in 2020. Why should US taxpayers subsidize third world shit holes?

I love how they say over 200 nations are in agreement. Yea, well how many would be in favor of it if they had to give money instead of receiving it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/us-may-come-close-to-2020-greenhouse-gas-emission-target/

Side: Yes
1 point

Well, that's one way to prove once and for all that yes indeed we are the Great Satan. ....................................................................................

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Let's clarify is the earth going to get hotter and glaciers are going to melt because the US got out of a bad Obama deal ? What your talking heads are saying in the MSM so what you say ?

Side: Yes
Grenache(6103) Disputed
3 points

Whether or not you agree with the climate change argument it is still an example of the US turning it's back on something all the rest of the planet agreed to, except for Nicaragua and Syria. We just betrayed absolutely everyone who matters.

Basically the USA has become the world's troll. So of course you'd like that. The problem is though sooner or later we're going to be ostracized for it.

Side: No
1 point

The Paris Accord and the exiting of it is driving the MSM completely insane ! What a beautiful sight to see !

Side: Yes
1 point

Hello G:

Nahhh... I kinda LIKE clean water and clean air. You? Not so much..

excon

Side: No
Gypsee(308) Clarified
2 points

I do like clean water. I also thought that the US departure of the agreement would have negative impact on global climate ( US is mostly responsible for most of climate damage). But what is the point of fighting against something if the one of big leaders doesn't believe in it?

Trump truly doesn't see climate change as a threat. I don't know if it is necessarily a great thing to have an influence like Trump meddling around climate change. I mean his administration won't even pay for his people's well being, why should we expect him to spend on something he believes is not important.

It would be an empty action for Trump to stay in the agreement, a fake handshake so that the media and the people will shut up.

I think water and air for us was bound to get worse the day Trump got elected. But maybe let's not bring the world down with us...

I understand that we all share air and water and therefore the US pollution is part of the world pollution. It should be everyone's concern but the ship is already sinking. Of course, no longer having the US will be a big removal of manpower. But Trump would be an anchor.

Side: Yes
LichPotato(362) Disputed
1 point

"US is mostly responsible for most of climate damage"

Other than the fact that China produces almost twice as much CO2 as the US?

"But what is the point of fighting against something if the one of big leaders doesn't believe in it?"

Because, not only do the US's restrictions mandated by the Paris Accord achieve hardly anything (Trump said fulfilling the mandates would lower global temperatures by 2/10ths of a degree by 2100), but the same mandates allow other countries (primarily China, India, and Europe) to vastly expand their polluting industries. In other words, the Accord seeks little but to put the US at an economic disadvantage.

"I mean his administration won't even pay for his people's well being"

As the government is meant to do; healthcare is a good, not a right.

"I think water and air for us was bound to get worse the day Trump got elected. But maybe let's not bring the world down with us..."

Even if CO2 caused significant global warming (which, given the hundreds of other variables affecting the climate which are far more significant, is absurd), why would the US be solely responsible for their actions, while the rest of the world, despite the Accord allowing them to increase polluting industries, be innocent of any wrongdoing?

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

LMMFAO the talking head on CNN Jeffery Toobin said Antarctica is going to melt !

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Look according to the MSM the whole world is going to get hotter continents are going to melt what are we to do excon?

Side: Yes