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Yes, especially wrt tech/crime No, I like the world as it is
Debate Score:36
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The world would be a better place had the Axis won WW2

The Germans were quite close to winning the second World War. What would the world look like if they did? Some things would probably be better, some worse. You need to decide based on the situation as a whole. Are you for or against Germany as the only World Power (possibly flanked by symbolic Japanese empire)

Yes, especially wrt tech/crime

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No, I like the world as it is

Side Score: 22
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I am both tech and crime-oriented, so this appeals to me. In this world there would be no atrocities, not quite true of course, but they would be seriously downplayed and probably only a few select would even know about it. I don't see the Germans (or nazis as they were called) complaining about atrocities against the Reich, and furthermore, they wouldn't exactly announce the atrocities performed by themselves. Ergo, no atrocities as far as most people are concerned. Maybe not a tie-breaking argument for the Third Reich, but still. And also, the tech and crime stuff mentioned above.

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
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Breaking news!

Looks like Germany lost the war. My apologies, I thought it was a draw. Obviously, not very well known and not what my Uncle Barry told me.

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime

Ok, let’s be totally honest and realistic here - The JEWs WON WWII.. they brought the Holocaust on themselves by trying to take over European sovereignty and infiltrating banks, etc. even to this day in plain open site, they control the IMF and American Media!! AND, I’m a Holocaust SKEPTIC - I don’t think 6 million Jews were even in Germany at that time. Hitler messed up. He didn’t have to kill the Jews. He just needed to strip away Abrahamic religion and take Nordic people back to their true Pagan roots!!

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
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they brought the Holocaust on themselves by trying to take over European sovereignty and infiltrating banks, etc.

Nobody brings genocide on themselves. That's offensive and I'm not even Jewish.

What Jewish leaders are guilty of is manipulating the narrative after the war was over and the state of Israel was formed. The Holocaust wasn't a genocide against Jews. It was a genocide against everybody who didn't fit in with Hitler's plans to breed a master race. Although a large portion of them were also Jewish, almost no mention is given to the millions upon millions of Communists murdered by Hitler.

Side: No, I like the world as it is
Slavedevice(1271) Clarified
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It is fact researchable - Jews were hated because they weren’t just immigrants but were taking control of important business and banks. Their Talmud says they are superior and deserve to rule over gentiles. This is not here say.

>> I believe we have to evolve to the next level of human evolution (not necessarily racist) and Hitler saw that it’s actually cruel to allow weak minded to pass on those genes. I would be willing to test everyone (all races equally) and purge the lower 20-30%

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
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What an idiotic “debate” topic , this isn’t debate it’s an opinion piece ,when you learn the difference try again you clown

Side: No, I like the world as it is
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No, I think it wouldn't make much difference. I strongly believe it was a draw, with no clear winner. Hopefully the next war will be better.

Side: No, I like the world as it is
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Of course your assertion is complete nonsense and you know it.

Although Germany did enjoy some major successes initially against a badly prepared Britain and France the Axis powers began to lose the war from the onset of hostilities just as your thread was on the road to defeat from the moment you posted it.

Germany subjugated every nation it conquered and its 'final solution' program would have been even worse had the allies not shown the determination to neutralize the demonic force that was Nazi Germany.

Whilst most of the German war machine,which was many years in the making, became a spent force in Russia it was American wherewithal, knowhow and military might that brought the Nazis to their knees.

Had the alliance between the defiant U.K., and the Americans failed to defeat the Germans in the west by way of conventional warfare the Yanks would have nuked the Krauts into kingdom-come.

THE DANGERS OF RADIO-ACTIVE FALLOUT WAS UNKNOWN IN THE EARLY STAGES OF NUCLEAR WARFARE.

So, my mischievous little Nazi, you're glaringly wrong in both your poorly researched and ill thought-out imaginary-vision of THE JACK BOOT ON THE NECK OF THE WORLD FOR EVER AND EVER.

Side: No, I like the world as it is
YesIhave(23) Disputed
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It depends where you are coming from. I think we shouldn't favor one side over the other. In West-Virginia we have a saying: It is not about winning, but participating. Also, it so long ago that I can't really remember it. Books don't it for me. No use backstabbing the German's best effort. I am sure they ment well. Of course, it went a little overboard, but it was stressful times for everyone. No point handing out victories, right left and centre.

I think it's left alone, and forgotten about, so we don't do the repeat mistakes.

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
Lebensraum(28) Disputed
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I am not sure if the reference to "your assertion" is meant for me, or the guy who - in his opinion - didn't think it would have changed much?

No matter who, no assertion was made. I simply asked a question hoping to trigger a fruitful debate: perhaps even resulting in learning and perhaps even slightly changed point-of-views of those participating. That's what a good debate should be all about!

How can so little information (what you know) be used to produce such strong opinions and even false information (what you write).

The possibility of a German victory was substantial a lot longer than you seem to think. There are many situations that could have turned the outcome upside down. Having to bail out Mussolini in the Balkans in combination with a the coldest Russian winter in decades (250 years in the Moscow area) makes for an interesting 'what if'. Knowing how few airplanes Britain had at the time the Germans called of their attack is another.

There are numerous other examples throughout the war, but fewer and fewer after 1942. The V2-program and the fact that NASA had to be hand-held by Von Braun after the war are good examples of events late in the war that could change everything.

America winning the war is cute, it must be hard to admit that the victory belongs to the worst possible alternative...

Before answering again, please think. When speculating whether more jews would be killed had the Germans won the war you should also speculate how a German defeat of Russia in 1941 would have affected Stalin's numbers. Remember Stalin killed 30 million, Hitler somewhere between 4 and 6 million.

Please understand that the question is not about people murdered during the war, it concerns the total picture. History is written by the winners - 5 million is everywhere 30 million is hardly mentioned. Look between the lines, think, then answer.

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
2 points

The possibility of a German victory was substantial a lot longer than you seem to think. There are many situations that could have turned the outcome upside down. Having to bail out Mussolini in the Balkans in combination with a the coldest Russian winter in decades (250 years in the Moscow area) makes for an interesting 'what if'.

As I understand it the Germans would almost certainly have won had it not been for Hitler, who continuously second guessed his generals. Also, coldest winter or not, only a fool tries to invade Russia in the winter.

Side: No, I like the world as it is
Mongele(521) Disputed
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Your silly post was an assertion.

An ''assertion'' means to STATE a fact or BELIEF confidently or forcefully.

The thread ''STATED';- The world WOULD BE a better place had the Axis won WW2''. That is a statement which is another word for assertion.

Had you asked;- WOULD the world be a better place had the Axis won WW2?, that would have been a question.

Check your English if you want to make sense.

''I never ''seize''!! to be amazed'', should have read;- I never ''cease'' to be amazed--.

Anyone who would assert that '' The world would be'' a better place had the Nazis wonnWW2 needs psychiatric treatment ungently.

Side: No, I like the world as it is

If Germany had won WWII the world would be worse because, as I pointed out in my debate, white males are to blame for the world's problems and Germany is full of white males ;)

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/White malesaredoingthemassshootingsweneedwhitemale_control

Side: No, I like the world as it is
Lebensraum(28) Disputed
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Thank you. A valid argument. I'll take your word for it and not read the linked articles.

But, isn't it also true that white males are responsible for the large majority of all advances made the last couple of thousand years? Technology, Science, Philosophy, Arts etc. etc.

If you remove Whites from the equation wouldn't everything just be delayed by a considerable amount of time? And isn't it exactly the fact that we are pushing the envelope that puts us at risk.

E.g. With the industrial revolution we started something that can't be stopped - it's a race for survival and we need all our best (white) men...

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
2 points

But, isn't it also true that white males are responsible for the large majority of all advances made the last couple of thousand years? Technology, Science, Philosophy, Arts etc. etc.

Isn't it also true that the large majority of funding for such "advances" is paid by white companies to white males?

It seems like you are the sort of person who races against himself and then celebrates being the winner.

Side: No, I like the world as it is

Well..., throughout history, other cultures have contributed a great deal. For example, the Arabs (or Babylonians, depending on your source) are given credit for algebra. Egyptians were greatly advanced in their time, etc. The point is that other races are not incapable. It's just that at this point in time whites are carrying the torch. But at a very high cost (i.e., pollution).

The question is..., is the high cost worth it. I mean, if whites are doing everything within their power to get people off the planet in order to preserve the human race in the event where another meteor ends life here on Earth..., then maybe. But if they are only interested in making a buck, then maybe not.

Either way, it really doesn't matter. I mean, given humanity's track record, it can be argued that the human race is not worth saving ;)

Side: Yes, especially wrt tech/crime
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Side: No, I like the world as it is
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