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There are some people so lost in their ideology, it's truly a waste of time to debate them
Remember when we were kids, and some kids would simply repeat everything you said until you finally smartened up and realized it was a waste of time to continue the conversation?
Often times, this is how it is on debate sites when debating people on the Left. No matter the truth in things you might say, many on the Left simply deny it. If a Conservative said that water was wet, Progressives would find some way to deny it. They live and breathe ridiculing Conservatives no matter how true the statement.
These insecure people are total wastes of time, and why the ban feature is so important. There is no changing their minds no matter what you say to them. I have better things to do than banter words with insecure people living in denial.
Now Liberals will of course say the exact same thing about those on the Right, but as you will notice they do not usually ban Conservatives. They will stalk a Conservative at every chance to make sure they can ridicule whatever he says. They are insecure people fixated on taking no blame or responsibility for their choices in life. Their's is the no fault mentality.
We ban the deniers, while they stalk us. Can you see the difference? Conservatives are not insecure people trying to excuse any irresponsible behavior. If I as a Conservative lived a promiscuous life, getting women pregnant, abandoning my children, forcing my children to live off tax payers, etc. I would not sit here trying to excuse it as ok and a normal part of life today.
I would not be saying I just made some mistakes, and oh well life happens. No, I would be saying it was pathetic what I did to my children and that society should be going after dead beat parents and SHAMING THEM FOR THEIR CHOICES!
You never hear these Progressives taking responsibility and speaking out on behalf of our children. WHY NOT? because they are the insecure people living those lifestyles. It could be them who abandons a child so therefore they will NOT FIND FAULT.
Liberals are open to the arena of ideas until they realize there actually are other ideas. After the shock wears off they resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks and then pronounce themselves the winner of said argument.
Actually, I think you just described young people, not liberals. It might seem that way because a lot of young people are liberals, but that applies to young conservatives too. Or maybe not young, just inexperienced in political thought.
In my experience, liberals are notorious for name-calling and demonizing those they disagree with. Hillary just called half of Trump's supporters a "basket of deplorables". This is classic; liberals always engage in ad hominem attacks and name calling to marginalize the individual rather than discuss the issues.
This is classic; liberals always engage in ad hominem attacks and name calling to marginalize the individual rather than discuss the issues.
Have you been deaf for the past year of Trump's campaign? Have you ever been to his twitter?
Ad hominem attacks are unfortunately common place in today's world of politics. But you think Hillary hasn't been discussing the issues? Have you seen any of her speeches, beyond the clips you see of her throwing shade at Trump?
a man convinced against his will is indeed unconvinced still .....
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John 3:16-21 .. for God so loved the world .. that he gave his only begotten Son .. that whoever believes in him shall not perish .. but have eternal life ..
for God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world .. but that the world might be saved through him ..
he who believes in him is not judged .. he who does not believe has been judged already .. because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God ..
this is the judgment .. that the light has come into the world .. and men loved the darkness rather than the light .. for their deeds were evil ..
for everyone who does evil hates the Light .. and does not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed ..
but he who practices the truth comes to the light .. so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God
Yeah, I'm very aware of that. The reason I wouldn't join Islam or Christianity is because following either the Bible or the Quran, you're supposed to do horrible things. I quoted the Quran as a comparison to the Bible- I don't agree with everything either of them say.
Abu Dawud (4448) - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death."
Homosexuals are beheaded, hanged and stoned in modern Saudi Arabia and Iran, where Muhammad's laws are applied most strictly. Five other Muslim countries also have the death penalty on their books for homosexual behavior. In the past, gays were burned.
Of course not- I think some verses from the Quran are inspirational, while others are not. Same goes for the Bible.
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
A 2014 fatwa from the mainstream OnIslam.net proclaimed that homosexuality is "abnormal" and abhorrent" and confirmed that gays should be killed: "The punishment for men or women who are unwilling to give up homosexuality and therefore are rejecting the guidance of Allah Most High is in fact death according to Islam." An imam invited to speak at a Florida mosque in 2016 said that killing gays was an "act of compassion".
In 2016, an educated imam in Tunisia explained that while it may seem harsh, there is not ambiguity about this in Islam:
God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it's the Quran
Mohammed’s first successor Abu Bakr reportedly had a homosexual burned at the stake. The fourth caliph, Mohammed’s son-in-law Ali, ordered a sodomite thrown from the minaret of a mosque. Others he ordered to be stoned. One of the earliest and most authoritative commentators on the Koran, Ibn ‘Abbas (died 687) blended both approaches into a two-step execution in which “the sodomite should be thrown from the highest building in the town and then stoned.
This type of mentality is how and why only two parties have a monopoly in American politics.
In the main people, or should we call them sheeple, will engage in the tradition of tribal voting and support the party of their parents and grandparents.
There is little, if any consideration given to the manifesto of the party which receives the sheeple's vote.
In the run up to any election the political showmasters whip the sheeple up into a dutiful frenzy and in doing so turn American brother against brother American.
This is born out in the venomous exchanges between the supporters of the two main parties on his site.
Apart from an unknown number of 5th columnists, America's enemies lie beyond it's borders.
If you are trying to equate the Republican party in the same light as Democrats, you truly have no clue.
Yes, both parties have been controlled by what you call the politcal showmasters, but their is one establishment party whose nomineee was not their choice. The establishment Republicans did all in their power to keep Trump from being their nominee.
Obviously the people spoke loud and clear. We have a candidate not tied to the parties and using his own money. The Republican party is now supporting him.
Democrats stopped Bernie and pushed Hillary of course.
Republicans believe in smaller Government and Democrats believe in a socialistic Big Brother Government.
Actually, you can show with a little maths that a lot of voting systems end up with two or a few major contending parties. It's not necessarily the fault of the people in this one.
"Now Liberals will of course say the exact same thing about those on the Right, but as you will notice they do not usually ban Conservatives."
First off, I don't agree that people can get so lost in their ideology that they can'take change. I firmly believe that everyone can change with enough effort, that's why I'm so persistent in debating. I'm going to assume that you are posting this with outer recent debate in mind. I haven't banned you despite your insulting language because you have still remained somewhat respectful and have continued debated. I only ban people who come to debates with the intention of trolling.
By the way, why did you bring party politics into this? America isn't black and white conservative and liberal media I know many intelligent and reasonable conservatives and liberals, and I also know many people that are lost in their own ideology from the left and right.
There's a huge difference in Conservatives and Liberals.
Conservatives believe in smaller Government and more power to the people. More freedoms and liberties to the people without corrupt Government and judges forcing them to change their laws to fit political correctness.
Conservatives want the people to have control of our public schools that we pay for. We don't want some Big Brother Federal teachers Union forcing all to bow to their ideology and indoctrinating OUR children to think as Big Brother thinks.
I know NO intelligent Liberals because after decades of corruption in our Government, they actually are mndlessly stupid enough to think bigger Government is the answer and should take more control of our lives.
That defines an unbelievble stupid person and ideology.
Government is corrupt and tied to big money and power! WHAT FOOL WOULD WANT MORE OF THAT?
Name-calling. Now, I'm not going to argue whether or not it's correct to be conservative or liberal. I haven't decided on most of my positions, which is why I still haven't taken to either political party's side.
I would like to call you out for calling all liberals mindlessly stupid. Please refrain from generalizing a large group of people as a single insult.
If I had to choose between Conservative and Liberal, I would only go with liberal solely on the fact that they tend to have a better history with marriage equality. Even then, I'd rather not pick a side.
If you are going to base the Party you support on the one issue of marriage (which I'm sure leads one to believe you are Gay), then I must respectfuly say WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU AND WHERE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES?
I understand a Gay person wanting his lifestyle sanctioned as normal via marriage even though I totally dissagreee and want no one forcing my State to change our marriage laws.
Now if I were so self consumed, and based my party affiliation solely on issues such as forcing every state to refrain from teaching the theory of evolution to our chidren in public schools, then I would call myself a very selfish person with no feeling for much more important issues.
To me, there is no more important an issue than the sanctity of an innocent life and the right of life for all innocent human beings.
Are you going to tell me that killing viable late term babies all the way up to birth for any reason, is less important than Gay marriage?
The Democrat party has become the etremist Party tied to the abortion lobby. Did you know that over 80% of Americans want restrictions on abortions, but the Democrat party supports no restriction abortions in at least nine states?
Please think of other's right's to life before you vote for a party purely on issues far less important.
You may have noticed I have not banned you even though we dissagree on issues. You have been respectful and not too deceptive to this point.
I have no problem debating a person who will admit what he supports with his vote, who is not childish, vulgar or deceptive.
Just to clarify, I don't support the Democrats, and the same goes for the Republicans. I feel that supporting either one makes me adhere to an entire set of views- which I may not agree with completely.
Sorry if I misled you- gay marriage isn't my top priority. However, it's the issue that I know best and it's the only issue in which I feel like have an extremely clear view on. I feel like I could argue for gay marriage until the day I die. I was originally against gay marriage, but after reconsidering my view, I'm now for it. Since then, I haven't heard an argument that's convinced me to change back.
As for abortion, I'm undecided. I still need to do my research.
"Are you going to tell me that killing viable late term babies all the way up to birth for any reason, is less important than Gay marriage?"
I don't intend by any means to suggest that I'm for abortion, but from what I've heard, late-term abortions are usually only conducted if the mother is in danger or the baby is suffering from a fatal congenital defect, or is already dead.
Personally, I support abortion restrictions on late-term abortions except in the cases described above, and I will support early-term abortions in the case of rape.
Anything beside that, I'm undecided.
However, I think that gay marriage is the topic which I would like to argue with you if you accept.
Yes, you have things to learn about abortion. The Democrat Party does not like to talk about the no restriction abortions they support. They want to keep people like yourself ignorant to the truth.
Here is a site giving facts of each State's abortion restrictions or lack there of....
There are people I ban because they refuse to admit what they are supporting when voting for Democrats. They want to pretend they do not support no restriction abortions when voting for those who support it. They want to deny their lack of culpability.
I'm hoping you would have the intelligence and honesty to admit that you support no restriction abortions when you vote for Democrats who support it.
It would be like voting for a KKK member and then denying that you are not responsible for racist laws he admittedly supports.
Most people I debate will say similar things to what you said. They think that late term abortion laws only allow extreme case abortions, life of mother, etc.
They are wrong!
The GOP has tried many times to create a compromise and allow abortions up to 2o weeks with later stage abortions for extreme cases only.
The Democrat party always prevents the compromise bill to pass. Democrats are the party of no restriction abortions, so if you vote for them, you are supporting the killing of any baby at any stage for any reason.
After your research, I hope you will be honest with what you support if voting for these radical pro bortion politicians.
There are priorities to issues we support with our vote.
If you read this site, it speaks to how many states have no restriction abortions. This means they can get an abortion for any reason at any stage up to birth. I know it sounds inhuman and that is because it is inhuman.
This extremist Democrat party supports it and prevent the 20 week GOP compromise every time, no matter that the GOP allows later term abortions when there are life of mother or other extreme case issues.
Anyone who votes for these extremist Democrats are supporting the killing of unborn babies for any reason up to birth.