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no free will hardly any free will
Debate Score:25
Arguments:22
Total Votes:28
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There is no free will, if you are successful it's not because of your choices

People who are soccessful are only successful because they were given stuff that I wasn't and they need to give me their stuff.

no free will

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hardly any free will

Side Score: 11
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Free will is really an ill-defined concept, and depending on the frame from which you view this question, it has multiple answers.

It might help to better define what you believe "free will" is.

I find it impossible, when considering existence as the period extending from the beginning of time until the end of time, to imagine that things can be changed. Everything that happens within that frame, can't have happened any other way than the way in which it did. Which would subsume that free will is an illusion.

However, as we don't have the ability to experience existence in this way (we experience a temporal cause and effect) I can also see how it is highly counterintuitive to come to any other conclusion than that we have free will and our "choices" directly impact our circumstances.

That said, there is an argument that it's both: that our circumstances are so pre-defined and limited that the choices we are presented with are hardly choices at all, but the necessary products of a procedure of circumstances almost entirely out of our control, for example the place of our birth, ur skin colour, our family circumstances, our upbringing, our instilled values, the planet on which we live, the physical abilities or disabilities which limit us -- within which we simply choose from a binary set of predetermined outcomes.

I must say, personally, I tend to find the concept of free will a bit silly. Every "choice" is merely another step forward into a future which is entirely impossible to foresee. There is an illusion of control and a feeling of comfort in believing we are arbiters of our own futures which makes free will a very attractive concept, but like many human ideas it probably is far more about needing a sense of control than it is about providing any objective observation of the universe.

Side: no free will
Basssu(13) Disputed
1 point

let me to explaingh a thing tor your ok? We must have freewill because people to express themselfes diferently all the time right? They may of be the same enviremnent and so they are entirely dferent so ho can they be caused by the environmet? Opeople always have a free to choose themself how are they to act, or else every who is in the same situaetuion would be asame.

Side: hardly any free will
seanB(951) Disputed
1 point

No two people have exactly the same environment. And the fact that two people in similar environments are different as humans does not necessarily mean that free will is the reason for their differences. Genetics are as predefined as anything about a person, and they produce striking differences in human beings.

At any rate, free-will would seem to be a question without a definitive answer. Nobody has ever been able to settle it.

Side: no free will
1 point

There is no free will, if you are successful it's partly because of your non-freely-made decisions when faced (again against your will) with choices that others may or may not have ever gotten the chance to make.

Side: hardly any free will
Cocopops(347) Disputed
1 point

In a free market economy you can make many choices for your road to success, one of which is to go into business for yourself.

You can choose to carry out a wide ranging market research project which will help you to identify and choose which type of business is most likely to succeed and is best suited to your knowledge/experience and ability.

From this point onwards you will either have, or not have the necessary personal attributes to ensure success in your chosen market sector.

DO NOT ATTRIBUTE A LACK OF WILL TO PROCEED WITH A BUSINESS VENTURE, OR THE FAILURE OF YOUR CHOSEN ENTERPRISE ON YOUR PERCEIVED POTENTIAL NEGATIVE INFLUENCE OF OTHERS.

Side: no free will
jamesbody(95) Disputed
3 points

In a free market economy you can make many choices for your road to success, one of which is to go into business for yourself.

Lmfao. Oh please. For God's sake stfu with your 1980s bullshit about the "free market" you braindead robot. You are literally full of shit. Capitalism gives you one choice and that is work for a prick who gets rich from exploiting your labour. Opening a business and keeping it afloat requires a massive amount of capital which puts you right back at square one working for a prick who gets rich from exploiting your labour.

You're childishly naive. Tell us all more about how, if I work really hard making someone else rich then one day I can live the dream and exploit desperate people myself.

Fuck off. You're a con artist selling a pyramid scheme and calling it freedom.

Side: hardly any free will
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If you are successful it's not because of your choices

You are a failure because you freely chose to be a failure.

Side: hardly any free will
jamesbody(95) Disputed
3 points

You are a failure because you freely chose to be a failure.

You are a failure because you permitted other people to define your own interpretation of success. Has the thought ever crossed your stupid fucking mind during those days when you're sitting at your keyboard creating twenty fake user profiles an hour, that not everybody views "success" as a situation where their own fucking kids hate them?

Side: no free will
1 point

@jamesbody

You are a failure because you permitted other people to define your own interpretation of success...not everybody views "success" as a situation where their own fucking kids hate them?

Good point. Agreed.

I made a thread topic about this recently titled "The Nature of True Wealth".

Side: no free will
Cocopops(347) Clarified
0 points

Failures almost always consist of people who tried to be successful but failed or, those lazy shits who didn't even bother trying.

The abilities and character strength necessary to be successful are many and varied but they include;- ambition, ability, durability, insight, a strong work ethic and a clear vision of your objectives.

Life's work shy losers will never recognize any of the aforesaid requisites for success so they'll remain in their state of relative poverty, resentfulness and confusion;- WHERE THEY BELONG.

Side: no free will