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There is not now, nor has there ever been, a Richard Dawkins.

Many people use the 'logic' of progression of origin to justify their belief in Richard Dawkins, but a cursory examination of this argument will reveal that the existence of Dawkins is entirely unnecessary to explain anything at all. The argument goes that since there exist a series of books, we can reasonably assume they were composed by a greater intelligence. But this is a thoroughly unsatisfying and ultimately futile argument to make, and in fact it does more to damage the Dawkins hypothesis than to justify it, for we must then go on to ask the question that if Dawkins made the books, who made Dawkins? We become trapped in a puzzle of infinite progression from which there is no logical escape.

Just because books appear to be designed, it doesn't follow logically that they have been, because the complexity of the supposed designer, Dawkins, must be much greater than that of the book that he composed. The laws of natural selection show us that anything complex comes about through a slow, tedious progression of evolution over many years from much simpler origins. We could believe that Richard Dawkins composed these books, but it's much more probable scientifically to presume that the books evolved from a bunch of smaller, less eloquent writings over a period of centuries.

Natural selection provides an entirely more credible hypothesis than that of the Dawkins delusion – that dozens of other books of a similar subject matter, Voltaires, Darwins and Russells, after centuries of being mishandled in library warehouses, eventually got mixed up and pasted back together into the configuration we now attribute to Richard Dawkins. This hypothesis raises much fewer questions than are demanded by the invocation of an entirely new entity in Richard Dawkins, who supposedly blinked these books into existence from nothing.

I am continually astonished by those Dawkinsists who stubbournly assert that this evolution of ideas may be "Dawkins' way of achieving his creation" – that Dawkins actually took ideas from these other books and refined them into a series of books of his own. They note that research and study, quotations and references, would be a very neat and easy way for Dawkins to create a book about a scientific principle. The ideas are all there already – why, Dawkins would barely have to do anything at all! In fact, with today's technology, computers and wordprocessing and Google search, books can just about write themselves! From this we can postulate a lazy Dawkins, superfluous, unoccupied, useless, whose expended effort can be reduced to the point where he doesn't actually need to do anything at all: he might as well not bother to exist.

Though it seems absurd that a book so eloquent as those we attribute to Dawkins could have come about through a random shuffling of papers, one needs only to cite the anthropic principle – basically, no matter how unlikely the probability that the book could exist, it does exist, and therefore conditions must be right for it to have come into existence. Certainly it is infinitely more probable that the outcome of such a random shuffling would create an incomprehensible pile of garbled schizophrenic nonsense, like a Michael Moore documentary. But if that had happened, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Since we are, we can only conclude that by whatever twist of fate, the pages came together in precisely the right order as to create the illusion that they were composed by an author. This principle removes the necessity of a creating force from the equation, through the simple observation that things are the way they are because they are, and if they weren't, then they wouldn't be.


Look at all the sheep, sharing a joke with their imaginary friend. Baa! Baaaa!

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Richard Dawkins does not exist

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Richard Dawkins does exist

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i don't believe in religion. try and prove it exists. you can't. "church"? yeah, right. sure, some travelers have relayed tall tales of a mythical golden city called "the vatican" but these reports have never been substantiated.

has anyone actually SEEN a rabbi? if religion exists, why can't we touch it? sorry sheeple, this shit just doesn't add up

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What point are you trying to make? You're comparing the existence of richard dawkins to the existence of god, either seriously or jokingly. If you're being serious, how can you compare the two? We can empirically verify the existence of dawkins, but empirical verification of gods existence (if possible) has never happened.

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Assface(406) Clarified
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what i was trying to make in the above post is called a 'joke;' maybe you have heard of them

you could easily have visited the source in the op to get a more fleshed-out version of the point that the author and not i was trying to make tho

to summarize: dawkins-flavored epistemological arguments against the existence of god can be made against anything if taken to their logical extremes.

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ChadOnSunday(1863) Clarified
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Assface doesn't joke. He's a humorless faggot. His words, not mine.

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All the evidence of Dawknis' existence could just be edited to create a fake person.

There could be some kind of global conspiracy to convince us that this man exists.

But at least it's not like God, who still has no evidence of its existence except for the age old "i mean, look at how complicated this universe is, it HAS to have a designer."

very faulty reasoning.

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Assface(406) Clarified
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Wait, which side are you on?

Side: Richard Dawkins does not exist