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Only Truth and Illusion There is other stuff.
Debate Score:25
Arguments:36
Total Votes:25
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There is only Truth, Everything else is Illusion

Basically, anything exists has a structure of truth.  There is no "random functionality."  If something happens, there is truth to explain it.  On the other hand, we can have illusion, which is itself based on truth.  But how things actually work, there can only be truth.

Only Truth and Illusion

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There is other stuff.

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there is only truth and error ... Earthly and Heavenly wisdom

Earthly and Heavenly wisdom .. part 1 of 3

Earthly and Heavenly wisdom .. part 2 of 3

JAMES 03:13 .. who among you is wise and understanding ..

let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom

Earthly and Heavenly wisdom .. part 3 of 3

03:14 .. but if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart ..

do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth

03:15 .. this wisdom is not that which comes down from above .. but is earthly .. natural .. demonic

03:16 .. for where jealousy and selfish ambition exist .. there is disorder and every evil thing

03:17 .. but the wisdom from above is first pure .. then peaceable .. gentle .. reasonable ..

full of mercy and good fruits .. unwavering .. without hypocrisy

03:18 .. and the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

I think Error is the wrong term. You can put on a play, which is an illusion, but it doesn't mean that it is error.

Side: There is other stuff.
dadman(1703) Clarified
1 point

........................................................ Okay ..... truth / illusion and error

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
Jupiter(116) Disputed
1 point

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God? - Epicurus

Religion is the opium of the masses." Karl Marx

God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. - Voltaire

"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." --Thomas Jefferson

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."- H. L. Mencken

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

"There is not enough love and kindness in the world to give any of it away to imaginary beings." - Friederich Nietzsche

"Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned" - Mark Twain

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." - Thomas Jefferson

These are some quotes on religion by: An American Founding Father and Third President. People who have made strides in literature, and extremely influential philosophers. And an American astronomer, cosmologist, astrophysicist, astrobiologist, author, science popularizer, and science communicator in astronomy and other natural sciences: Dr.Carl Sagan.

You have a book. That's been rewritten over and over (and is the base of a religion that has 33,000 different sub beliefs or "denominations" that all claim are the true Christians)

Side: There is other stuff.
LordChallen(184) Disputed
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This is a consciousness question.

Can something exist if nothing is aware of it?

Say given all the dimensions that we know, space, time, etc.

If something had no influence on anything, ever, does it really exist?

But even a thought can have influence.

Anyway, there is a truth, but is exist mostly illusion?

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If Jupiter is willing to show intelligence, but not able?

Then he is not smart.

If he is able, but not willing,

Then he is a buffoon.

Is he both able and willing?

Then why does he talk so stupid?

And whence cometh his hatred of God?

Is it stupid to try to murder God?

Jupiter's mind is the opiate of his stupidity. Korn Mark.

Jupiter is a tragic comedy, not making himself funny in dying. Volted.

Jupiter's religion is hating God and loving Death. George Jefferson

Jupiter is fundamentally opposed to himself, hoping to escape justice in death.

Jupiter tries to grasp the universe while losing his soul, and feels better dying that way.

Jupiter has no real love and kindness as there is no such thing in dying.

Jupiter talks like a jack ass because he thinks being a donkey makes him stronger than a man. Dark Brain.

The God who is Christ Jesus is easily pictured as irrelevant, equal to all ancient mythical gods. The Christian God is the only one we really have to kill because He is the only one who threatens to keep us in Hell forever if we won't believe He died for our sins and rose to justify all who believe on Him and receive Him as their Savior. George Jefferson.

These are some quotes on religion from fools, who say in their heart that there is no God. Remember, the only God we really have to be rid of is the one who claims to be Jesus Christ with power to condemn us to Hell for killing Him.

You have a book. It is called the book of nonsense, based on the belief that you are justified to live and have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion

Truth happens.

Nothing else can happen.

How we perceive things can be based on illusion, but what is actually happening is always truth.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
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yes correct but don't u think so illusion can be wrong also

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Illusions are always deceptive, and they may appear to be real or true. Illusions not only can be wrong, but they are always wrong. Illusions are not good.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Sometimes lying is happening. Lying is not truth. The truth will reveal lies, and stand against the liars. Try to make sense. Lying can happen, and it is not truth.

Side: There is other stuff.
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yes there is only truth and lies. what's proven true a few times can be proven forever to be true. the truth cannot be a lie. a lie cannot be the truth. a lie can be like an illusion if it distorts someone's sense of reality.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
LordChallen(184) Clarified
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Why lies? If I tell a story, believing it to be true, yet it is not, doesn't make it a lie.

Lying implies intent to deceive.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Nope. You can be lying unintentionally. If you really believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, and you say so with all sincerity, you are still lying. You may be deceived, but that does not excuse you for publishing your deception as truth by which others may be deceived.

Side: There is other stuff.
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

What is proven true in the past cannot be known to be true then or in the future. All knowledge is based upon the supposition that the means of acquiring it were reliable, but all means are filtered through the subjective. Nor can reason prove itself (see Hume esp. for more).

Side: There is other stuff.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Rakz123(11) Disputed

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but if you think there is no absolute truth than how can you say you are human begin

Oh, I forgot, a homosexual is neither male nor female so they really are better than human.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion

Shrek is love Shrek is life. That is the only truth you need.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion

There is no such thing as an absolute truth. But then again, if that were true then the statement itself would be an absolute truth, emm.

Side: There is other stuff.
Rakz123(13) Disputed
1 point

but if you think there is no absolute truth than how can you say you are human begin

Side: There is other stuff.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Rakz123(11) Disputed

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but if you think there is no absolute truth than how can you say you are human begin

1 day ago Side: There is other stuff.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
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There is only Illusion. Your brain cannot process all of the data being absorbed through you 5 senses. Most of the data gets filtered out. As such, perception is nothing more than a best guess. An interpretation. Not reality. An illusion. Also, having 5 senses means that you have only 5 data streams. There are many more data streams that we are not physically capable of perceiving. For example, we cannot physically perceive infrared data. We need machines to interpret infrared data into visual data. And there may be other data streams we have no knowledge of and for which we have no machines for. So, how can we perceive truth?

Side: There is other stuff.
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Rakz123(11) Disputed

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but if you think there is no absolute truth than how can you say you are human begin

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
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I cannot say that I am a human being. For all I know the universe and everything in it is a simulation.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

Illusion is experience of an event. But the event can be based on truth. Events can be mathematical. How we experience that event is illusion.

Point is, matter is probably an illusion. It is probably some mathematical possibility or event that we experience as solid. But as such, matter isn't limited, but is infinite. Also, there is a truth about how who we are, how our senses work. Even if what we experience is illusion, there is consistent truth about how we are able to experience illusion.

Side: Only Truth and Illusion