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There is something wrong with you if you are happy.

Thinking of the state of our society and what gets the most attention, I am inclined to think that if you are "doing just fine", you must be a sicko or seriously ignorant.

Any disagreement?

I agree

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What do you mean? I thought the definition of "happy" was being pissed off at something. Otherwise, why would people watch the news? Why is everyone so bitchy in those "reality" shows? And..., after watching the news and/or some reality show, why do people go to a web site to argue ;)

Side: I Agree
1 point

What do you mean?

There is something seriously wrong with people who are comfortable with things as they are.

I thought the definition of "happy" was being pissed off at something.

are you sure it's not more like comfortably numb?

Otherwise, why would people watch the news?

Coming across as well informed is more important than actually being so?

Why is everyone so bitchy in those "reality" shows?

I don't know,, I don't watch them. Why do you think they are?

And..., after watching the news and/or some reality show, why do people go to a web site to argue ;)

Hopefully because they want to actively participate as opposed to passively observe.

Side: I Agree

There is something seriously wrong with people who are comfortable with things as they are.

It's called being a conservative. ;)

Side: I Agree
2 points

fuck all of you that thinks there is something wrong with me... IM ONE HAPPY BITCH AND PROUD OF IT! come on now, just because your all depressed doesn't mean i cant be happy and it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with me either.

Side: I Disagree
1 point

I love you. Surely there can't be anything wrong with that.

Side: I Disagree

awww i love you too! and no there is nothing wrong with that at all

Side: I Disagree
1 point

I mean, you can say there's something wrong with me if you want. You can shout it in my ear all day long. I don't give a shit. Maybe that's why I'm happy and you aren't. I know it's okay to relax and let go once in a while. I'm extremely happy, I also hate the state of my country and the widespread ignorance that stifles and suffocates me. I spout out Gary Johnson's qualifications to people, I talk about why weed should be legal, for all the good it will do, few people even listen, even fewer think about these things on their own. But you know what? I don't give a shit. The world can throw whatever it wants at me, and I still won't give a shit. Because if you're so caught up in society, and how fucked up it is that you can't ever just dislodge from reality and be okay with yourself, my money is on the theory that you've forgotten a fundamental fact about biology. Humans are animals. We're not anything special, of no more value than a dog, a cat, a snake, a mouse. I've got food, shelter, sometimes clothes. What more does an animal really need to be happy? If you're not missing one of those things and you claim to be unhappy, you're just a spoiled brat who wants way too much. That's it. That's the secret to happiness. We're all just a bunch of fucking animals.

Side: I Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
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I mean, you can say there's something wrong with me if you want. You can shout it in my ear all day long. I don't give a shit. Maybe that's why I'm happy and you aren't.

I doubt that if I was shouting in your ear all day long that you wouldn't give a shit. You would be unhappy about it and take action to make me stop.

The "happiness" that allows people to sit and watch while the world turns to shit is not the sort of happiness I am after. Being superficially happy satisfies too many people if you ask me.

Take pride in your ability to "not give a shit" about things that would seriously disturb any sane person if you want. It's just a common form of cowardice if you ask me.

I know it's okay to relax and let go once in a while.

I won't argue against that.

I'm extremely happy, I also hate the state of my country and the widespread ignorance that stifles and suffocates me.

The guy who feels stifled and suffocated says "I'm extremely happy". Go figure

The world can throw whatever it wants at me, and I still won't give a shit.

I don't think that's a truthful statement.

Because if you're so caught up in society, and how fucked up it is that you can't ever just dislodge from reality and be okay with yourself, my money is on the theory that you've forgotten a fundamental fact about biology. Humans are animals.

No one can ever dislodge from reality. They might delude themselves into thinking they can, but happiness that stems from delusional thinking is not anything to aspire to. How would remembering the fact that we are animals help to not get so caught up in how fucked up society is?

We're not anything special, of no more value than a dog, a cat, a snake, a mouse.

It would be easy to prove that you really don't believe that statement.

I've got food, shelter, sometimes clothes. What more does an animal really need to be happy?

Human animals need a thing called hope.

If you're not missing one of those things and you claim to be unhappy, you're just a spoiled brat who wants way too much. That's it. That's the secret to happiness.

The secret to happiness is to not want anything better? Only spoiled brats have aspirations? Hogwash! The philosophy of "I don't give a shit" might be appealing to you but I am opposed to it.

Side: I Agree
RudeRebel(45) Disputed
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I doubt that if I was shouting in your ear all day long that you wouldn't give a shit. You would be unhappy about it and take action to make me stop.

The "happiness" that allows people to sit and watch while the world turns to shit is not the sort of happiness I am after. Being superficially happy satisfies too many people if you ask me.

Take pride in your ability to "not give a shit" about things that would seriously disturb any sane person if you want. It's just a common form of cowardice if you ask me.

Thanks, your opinion on the subject is really valuable to me. No really, I love it when people call me a coward. I would just direct you to my enlistment papers as proof to the contrary but that probably wouldn't hold up for an enlightened individual like yourself. I can see from the way that your extremely analytical mind didn't pick up on my obviously humorous tone, (yes written speech has tone too) that you're a truly unhappy person. I don't give a shit, is merely layman's terms for I don't need society or anyone else to reflect my personal philosophy to be happy. The world is made better by people that laugh in the face of such adversity, like myself. I'm not saying I'm going to change the world or anything but attitude is definitely a part of your problem.

The guy who feels stifled and suffocated says "I'm extremely happy". Go figure

Go figure I'm able to hold more than one abstract in my head at a time! Amazing! Call Ripley's! Just because sometimes I feel like I'm surrounded by ignorance, doesn't mean I let it pull me down and win. It's just another challenge to overcome. Deep down I'm still looking on the bright side.

I don't think that's a truthful statement.

Yeah well luckily for me what you think and what you know about me are two different columns on your notes for createdebate. You don't believe me? Ever talk to me after a car crash, or my girl dumps me? No, you haven't. I have though, and if I may say so myself I handled it pretty well. You know, a smile and recitation of my mantra "Win some lose some."

No one can ever dislodge from reality. They might delude themselves into thinking they can, but happiness that stems from delusional thinking is not anything to aspire to. How would remembering the fact that we are animals help to not get so caught up in how fucked up society is?

Clearly you didn't experiment a lot in college. I was referring more to the suspension of disbelief you enter when you watch a movie or read a book. Sorry for not being as literal as you, I should have said "You can't ever just ignore a bunch of assholes." But seriously you should look into the 5th dimension and the fluid nature of reality. It's science. Well not yet. Also we're animals, this prison we've built up around ourselves and called "society" or "government" or "cities" has about as much importance as an anthill or a beaver dam. Sure if you ask an ant or a beaver about it they'll say it's the coolest thing since the other side of the pillow, but does that stop a storm or flood from destroying it? Does the storm or flood stop them from rebuilding?

It would be easy to prove that you really don't believe that statement.

I don't know how. I like animals more than most people I meet day-to-day. A single human life is just as precious as any other life. I don't really think like most people though. In my head the first thing I care about, is me, self-preservation, obviously. Then the second and last thing I care about, is the universe. Just the general state of it. We're all ants by the way. A tiny cancer growing in the blink of our sun's eye, and in a couple more blinks our presence will be completely eradicated. Just FYI.... dawg.

Human animals need a thing called hope.

Really? Because you don't seem to have any. I mean I do in a way I guess. I know what will make the world a better place, and I try to help it any way I can. Hope in the literal sense, realistically, is what idle dreamers use to excuse their sloth and inactivity. You know I'm right, that little idea that they'll win the lottery so they should just keep working at Walmart and not go to school? The girl who hopes this time when her husband comes home she won't be beaten, so she stays instead of packing her bags and leaving. If that's the same hope you're thinking of, then maybe that's why you're so unhappy.

The secret of happiness is to enjoy the little things, and the big things that you take for granted. I have food, shelter, clothes, that's all I need to survive, that is what I call content. My happiness isn't driven completely by material things or tangible assets, the complete opposite, almost. I am an animal, among many others, and my species has risen to the top of the food chain by killing everything we see at least once. Maybe some people get upset about it, about the nature of most humans to want more until there's nothing left to want. They're angry about the way humans exploit each other. But hey, they're all just animals, trying to eat as much as they can and protect their offspring. I have reached and become and surpassed zen. I have seen the top of the mountain, and do you know what's up there? The way down. Everything in due time, the world will get better, humans will get smarter and we'll all be a lot better off. But there will still be people like you, who out of envy and spite for a feeling you can't understand, misplace happiness with absent-mindedness, ignorance(and the bliss associated), and insane maniacal laughter, apparently. It's screaming out to me. I think you're just upset because you're so grounded in this maze of a life, you want everything to be better now, but even if you could control eery mind on the planet you wouldn't know what to do to make the world a better, working place. And don't delude yourself that you would. Just stop. I'm happy. I'm not dead, I'm not rich or a despot. I'm a nineteen year old kid with a rough background who escaped with meditation, yoga, and Grant Morrison. And I'm happy. There's nothing wrong with me. I'm active in politics, I'm a registered member of the Liberty part, I sign petitions every day and send them to people too. And I'm happy. Why can't you just accept that someone might be better at something than you? Or that the whole world doesn't see through your eyes? Because of the government? Because society is evil and bad and wants to rape you? So any sane mind takes to life with the same cynicism, pessimism, and aversion to positive feelings that you have? That's really selfish, and for someone that talks a lot about what's wrong with the world, maybe you should take a look at that giant empty hole inside you, brother. The one swallowing you and your happiness alive.

Side: I Disagree

Quite the contrary; if you're truly happy, chances are there is absolutely nothing wrong with you and that you're more aware a person then most.

Side: I Disagree
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

Why do you think increased awareness is likely to increase happiness?

Side: I Agree
RudeRebel(45) Disputed
1 point

The more aware you are the more you see how many different things could kill you at any moment but don't. So you're happy!

Side: I Disagree
chatturgha(1631) Disputed
1 point

If you're more aware of yourself, it's easier to accept yourself and be happy with yourself.

If you're more aware of people around you, it's easier to accept them and be happy with them.

Side: I Disagree
1 point

More like, there is something wrong with you if you think that there's something wrong with happy people.

Side: I Disagree

Happiness is a choice. Bad things happen to everyone sometimes by their own doing sometimes by outside or uncontrollable influences, how you react or feel about it is your choice. The truth is it is the only thing we have complete control over. The people who don't agree with this are usually people who take very little responsibility in there life or in other words Liberals =).

Side: I Disagree
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Sure someone can choose how to handle a situation, they do such according to some standard which is itself outside of their own complete control of. Choice is impossible without some standard, and while choice can modify its own standard, it can not create it. The initial standard is dependent upon environmental factors, and the initial choices changing that standard on the standard itself so that every choice, no matter how many permutations the standard used for it has gone though, is dependent on both the current environmental conditions, and the past ones. Really, choice is just another way of saying humans behave according to their whole experience though out time, not just their current one. This doesn't somehow make their behavior beyond the control of their experience.

Further more, realizing this doesn't mean you take little responsibility, if anything it empowers you to better understand your behavior and thus makes your ability to modify your standard of choice greater.

Side: I agree
1 point

So, tell me if I'm wrong, your saying that people can only react in accordance with their experiences and therefore incapable of making any REAL choices?

Though I don't agree with you on much casper you are a very good debater and very intelligent.

Side: I Disagree

Some folks are miserable and they just don't like to see others happy. It's like that saying: Misery loves company.

Side: I disagree