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Debate Score:30
Arguments:19
Total Votes:31
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These two laws need to be amended.

Section 1 of Article 2 of the American Constitution as well as the 14nth Amendment of the American Constitution need to be amended to allow American citizens who were not born in America to run for President. There are at least two reasons why this is the right thing to do. 1 Being an American is about what is in your mind and your heart, not where you were born. 2 It is illogical to allow citizens who were not born in America to run for other forms of office, but not President. As long as the person has been an American citizen for at least 10 years, and meets the minimum requirments, let them run for President and let the people deicde. 

I agree.

Side Score: 11
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I disagree.

Side Score: 19
1 point

As does the entire buildup of human civilization.

Side: I agree.
1 point

So damn true. Hey look, we just agreed on something. :D

Side: I agree.
1 point

With this law, someone could be born in another country by accident: i.e. on holiday, and grow up to run for president and their opposition could dig this up to kick the competition out.

Side: I agree.
1 point

I know, right? :)

Side: I agree.
Scout143(652) Disputed
1 point

Actually, there is a clause for that. If both of the parents are citizens, it's the same as being born in the US. Or on a US military base or Embassy. They created that because it's happened. For example, some Kenyans immigrants, who became citizens, had a child while they were visiting relatives in Kenya. Since both parents are naturalized citizens, their kid is a natural born citizen, and could run for president if it wanted to.

Side: I disagree.
5 points

Having only naturally born Americans is a good thing. Being a natural born American allows that person to grow up in America with a true American identity (though I'm not saying immigrants don't have it). They've been in American all of their lives and they learn what and how America fits in the world, from an American perspective. If we allowed foreigners to become President, one could have a major grudge against us and then become President to tear us apart from the inside. Not a good thing.

Side: I disagree.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
2 points

Oh bullocks. I am not talking about foreigners running for President. I am talking about CITIZENS running for President. All that matters is whether you have been an Amen for at least ten years, and will be in the future. Being an American is NOT about where you are born, but where your heart is.

Side: I agree.
Scout143(652) Disputed
2 points

There are 2 different types of citizens: 1.Natural citizens and 2.Naturalized Citizens. Natural citizens are born in the US while naturalized have to acquire citizenship. They are all Americans. But having a naturalized citizen with foreign ties wouldn't understand the American side of things as much as an American who was born here. The fear would be the same as I mentioned previously. Your heart could be in the right place, buts it's the fear that someone could is what keeps the law.

Side: I disagree.
3 points

Obviously where you born and moved to was not the founding fathers concern when they put that into the Articles of the Constitution. Immigration was not a new concept, however, they found it important that the nation should only be led by a naturally born citizen of the country.

Side: I disagree.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

Oh bullocks. The founding fathers were British citizens when they signed those documents. Can you say hypocrite? I can. It is a damn stupid rule and it needs to change. Who the fuck cares where someone was born as long as they are loyal to their country.

Side: I agree.
eagleyes88(17) Disputed
2 points

Yea they were British citizens you turned against the crown and founded the country. And obviously a lot of people care because you don't hear of other countries do that.

Side: I disagree.
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Actually they relinquished they'r British citizenship once it became clear the war was about independence from Britten. Just saying. I do agree this could work if the child was just born some where els but raised here because that would be virtually no different than being a natural citizen. but any farther than that it's just to risky.

Side: I disagree.

The Constitution and the Amendments are different documents with two separate purposes.

The Constitution restricts the power of government while the Amendments are natural rights of Americans.

Therefore, they will never be amended just based on this premise.

Side: I disagree.