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This next generation makes me think that the future is without hope.

(if you want the purpose of this debate, go to the bottom)

I went to the theater. It was, of course, crowded by a swarm of arrogant, egoistical 'kiddies'. These-these... things are an utter nuisance !
I sat at the second-to-top row, right in front of a group of teens (I call 'em teens, though they looked between the 18-25 range). During the previews they talked, laughed, blasphemed - everything you expect kids to do. Then the movie came. They talked, laughed, blasphemed; they were crude, egoistical, and all-out useless.
I could easily hear one of them expel flatulence. That's all fine and dandy, until the group began laughing ! I've known toddlers more mature than that ! They whispered and spoke loudly to each other, laughed very loudly, swore, et cetera.
Two characters had sex. Another character said that she 'fucked up'. One of those kids behind me yelled 'No! She fucked him!"
It was absurd!

That wasn't the first time, either. I went to the theater a few years ago and a group of teens jumped back and forth between rows.

A man at a Pizza Pizza, angered by a group's noise, asked them to be quiet. When he left, they beat him up and almost (or did!) killed him!!!
Few days later, nigh all of them were out on bail.

Everywhere I see kids, I see trouble. It's not that I want to see trouble - I'd love to see the light in a society of darkness - but it's just the way they are! They walk around acting as though they own everything. Nobody is above them! They do whatever they want with no regard to others. Disgraceful!

What do I say (and, the whole purpose of this debate)? These pricks need a whoopin'!

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Side Score: 29
2 points

First let me say that as long as God is on His throne there is hope. But I couldn't agree with you more.

I've been thinking about this issue and how to deal with kids like this. Our first reaction is the use of force either verbally or physically. But this doesn't always work and can lead to consequences like you mentioned. Nobody wants to take the life of a teenager either, so what do you do?

I have one word, leverage. You take their greatest strength and use it against them. What is their strength? Pride. Hit them there and hit them hard. They think they are cool and smart and they may act like they don't care about anything. But they care immensely about their ego and what others think of them, they want to be seen as cool.

Its been said that contrast is the greatest clarifier. so look for a way to make a contrast. This doesn't have to been done in a confrontational manner. Most of these kids are willing to talk but its all in how you approach them. So you find a way to point out that they are acting like a fool and they are not as cool as they think. You can really have fun with this if you know how to play mental games with people and steer conversations. Or just do a little brain surgery on them and use the Socratic Method. But keep in mind the bigger picture. You won't always be able to fix the problem right then and there. But tweak their thinking so next time for the next guy it won't be so bad. How this is done will have to be experimented with and will be different for each situation. But the goal is the same, weaken their pride mentally.

But more to the cause of this epidemic. Ideas have consequences. We are living with the fruit of a false anthropology. And why is our anthropology off? Because our theology is off. An incorrect view of God always leads to an incorrect view of man, it still is true that theology is the queen of the sciences. There is a lot to say on this issue and it could fill several books. But for the sake of brevity I will give just a few examples of what I mean.

The first problem I see is on the value and meaning of human life. If we say that man came from nothing and returns to nothing. It is only logical to conclude man is nothing. It is intellectually dishonest to say that some how between those two poles man has meaning. This hasn't been lost on our youth, they get it loud and clear and act accordingly, hence their disregard for human life. It has no value. So there is no difference between killing ants and people. I won't get into all the philosophical schools of thought on how some have tried to resolve this dilemma of the value and meaning of human life apart from God. I think they all fail however because if we come from nothing and return to nothing we are nothing, its that simple. But instinctively we know this isn't true. We cry at funerals, we get upset at injustice because injustice always involves someone. We know that humans have value, but from were does that value come?

The other area we get it wrong is on human nature. Who are we at the core of our being? Not the facade we put on so people will like us. But that side that comes out under pressure when the facade cracks. Are we basically good and just need the right environment, education and a little self-esteem to be our best. Or is man corrupt to the core and capable of great evil if not restrained? The spirit of this age tells us the first is true, that we are basically good and we need to let kids express themselves so as not to hinder their maturity. But look what comes out when kids are left to themselves without guidance and discipline, it's not the good but the evil that is in the core of their being. And what is self-esteem but the esteeming of self at the expense of others. So the whole self-esteem movement gave the green light to a whole generation to express their darker side, wonderful. No wonder kids these days act like they do.

And finally it has been said that were there is no God all things are permissible. This ought to be so obvious. If there is no objective morality by which we measure ourselves then everything comes down to personal preference. But what if my preference conflicts with yours? The stronger man wins, might makes right. And that's were we find ourselves today, it's survival of the fittest at it's finest. The Germans were fit and the Jews weren't so bye-bye Jews. And that's why the Germans found it easy to do. God wasn't watching.

So is there hope for the future? No if we don't engage today's youth were the battle is at, in the mind between the truth and the lie. And yes if we do get involved. As for me, the darkness can't have these kids so I'm going after them. Because with God all things are possible and I know God loves these kids more than me. And He will spare no expense to save them.

Side: agree
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

A persons Value is a property of existing. It matters not where you came from or where your going, it matters where you are. Where your going has its impact on the value of where you are, but it does not determine it.

Might is right, not that it is necessarily one and the same (it can be) but in that it creates it.

Self-esteem is not defined as raising your esteem at the expense of others. It is ones own view of their own value. I suggest the value of oneself be conciously considered the most grand and as the standard of value which all is measured against. It is such at least subconsciously, nature has made it a fact of existence. Conscious awareness of this need not turn out narcissists and psychopaths. Narcissistic behavior can not come from someone accepting their value as inherent, and empathy, caring for others, etc has their values which are generally good.

Without god all things are permissible, and with god all things are possible? are permissible and possible not synonyms?

Side: Disagree
2 points

I total agree they need a good kick in the butt. Kids today do not know how to be respectful. They think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. They have it too easy and this has given them a false sense of how the world really works. They have no work ethic. The have no morals. They think they deserve things like cars, cell phones, computers, etc. What they do deserve is a kick in butt. Unfortunately their parents deserve something more serve for raising their kids to be this way.

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society."

Theodore Roosevelt

We have created menaces because we have failed to educate one on morals. The future is bleak.

Side: agree

Things are too easy for them.

I've read that many schools have a minimum score. That is, if they get 20%, the school rules dictate that it be graded as 65%.

That's not at all how the real world works !

Side: agree
1 point

Between the iron gates of fate,

The seeds of time were sown,

And watered by the deeds of those

Who know and who are known;

Knowledge is a deadly friend

When no one sets the rules.

The fate of all mankind I see

Is in the hands of fools.

Side: agree

Written by....

Side: agree
1 point

I'm 19 years old and I feel the same.My generation is more interested in technology,creativity and the environment than any other but we have no moral values.The problem comes from the fact that modern psychology taught parents they should not punish or beat their children,that children must be treated with respect and understanding.I disagree with the good ol'spanking that makes kids feel sick at the sight of garden hoses and belts but punishments should be firmly applied,with no room for discussion.Children must learn to work for what they want.

Also,something that I find so utterly wrong is that the government does everything and anything to keep kids in school.I don't know how it works in other countries but here in Portugal the laws are getting so absurd that and 8th grader who keeps failing school is given the chance to take some exams and move on to the 10th grade,skipping the 9th grade along the way.What's the deal with this?If a teenager doesn't want to stay in school,let them work.They will end up realizing that no education means they will be getting a lousy salary and work in a place where they are basicly slaves.The government must be willing to include them back in the education system when they realise they were better off in school but before that,they need to get a taste of how life really is.If they refuse to find a job they are their parents' problem,but parents nowadays seldom get to the point where they've had enough and leave their children alone with their choices.

We're on the verge of a sexual revolution where women are becoming promiscuous,far more promiscuous than men!All of this started in the young generation of girls that think having sex with strangers is OK.However,we are not yet equiped with the hormonal tools that allow us to have unnattached sex.Women still have a strong chemical reaction to sex.We're wired differently.

We need people to be firm with us and get us motivated.Tolerance,respect,ambition and creativity must be encouraged because we have the tools to give future generations a comfortable life but we don't have the dools we need to create social harmony.

Side: agree
0 points

Sir, not relating to the quality of your debate, but please, for the love of God spell the word basically correctly. Anyone looking at the spelling basicly can see that it is incorrect. I do not ask much, only that you handle English with the respect and care that so beautiful a language deserves.

Rule Britannia!

Side: Disagree

And then there's this 'anime' trash.

I go to the library, and the computers are always surrounded by groups of kids (in their mid to late 20s), just staring at this stuff.

Grow up!

Side: agree

Vladimir Lenin: 'Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.'

Side: agree
1 point

i am a teen but i see your point

i think that they should take away childline and bring back canes at schools.this will "encourage" teens to have respect for their elders

also i think that tv shows and films encourage teens to behave like this.most famous people are famous because they're "bad".

Side: agree
2 points

Sir, if a man took a cane to me I would see his cane and raise him a hammer, brick, cudgel or any other heavy and potentially lethal object.

Side: Disagree

Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears.

Horrible influences; terrible actresses, too.

Side: agree
1 point

WHICH COUNTRY STARTED THIS WHOLE TEEN THING ANYWAY?

someones must have at least branded them with the word "teenager"

Side: Agree
2 points

Disagree, most kids seem to be very Green, animal friendly, intelligent people.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
2 points

Too green.

Too animal friendly.

Not at all intelligent.

Side: agree
lyle91(87) Disputed
2 points

I disagree. All studies show that 16-25 year olds have a higher IQ than the last generation did. Our world is running out of fossil fuels (oil especially) and we need to be green. I don't see kids being too green, in fact it's the 30 year olds that are Green to a fault.

Side: Disagree
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

I think it's more of a regional thing. You may live in a more progressive society than most.

Side: agree
lyle91(87) Disputed
1 point

It may be because I was in an IB program in high school (AP for the AP kids). Everyone there was by far some of the best kids in the whole of AZ. The stupid kids that are out doing drugs and disregarding the world around them aren't going to be the ones running things. It will be my friends and other kids like us who are highly intelligent and already becoming highly successful.

Side: Disagree
1 point

hmm....well seeing as nearly all generations look at the newest generation and think this...and as they've been doing this for the past couple thousand years, id say no.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

At least the other generations had proper parents - proper 'guidance', if you will.

Side: agree
1 point

As part of the next generation, I have clearly seen the good and the bad. The bad definitely outweighs the good (unfortunately), but I would not call the future hopeless.

There are so many of us out there who set the right example, regardless of peer pressure or the social demands of teenage lifestyle. I, personally, manage to balance my social life and educational dedication, though others find themselves tangled in a life of drugs, parties and alcohol, purely because they couldn't find the right path to take in life. It's undeniable that there are always going to be hooligans in each generation, but we need to remember that there are many others in the world within the same generation who are trying to make a difference, and who will remain dedicated to making the right difference regardless of any problems that they may encounter. Trust me, I've encountered social problems myself. I had to forget about one of my closest friends a couple of years ago because he became addicted to cigarettes; he was 14 years old. One day he told me he was smoking and he offered me a few cigarettes. I refused because I was wise enough to recognize and understand a problem when I saw it. So, despite the problems in our generation, there are those of us who are dedicated to living the good life; the moral life.

Side: Disagree
Pessimist(182) Disputed
1 point

Very true. Unfortunately, the masses control society (actually, they kinda share power with the wealthy), so the efoorts of a small band of sensibles will not, unfortunately, along society as a whole to remain good.

Side: Agree
1 point

Well, I haven't isolated myself from society as some other "sensibles" have, and I have not been overtaken by illogical views and barbaric actions. I'm probably just a step ahead of my age level, but there are many others like myself who fit in with society but who are not formed by it. Perhaps it is society's fate to crumble; only the future will show an increase in foolishness or an era of self and social reflection.

Side: Agree
1 point

blah blah blah.

Everyone says this every ten years or so, and the fact is since the beginning of time the human species has almost always moved forward to become smarter and more humane.

It isn't the youth that is the problem,

The problem is old people, their rosy view of a history that in reality never existed, and their ever increasing general fear brought on by an ever more prevalent and inescapable death. They always long for a time when they were not so close to it, and blame the youth for its rapid encroachment.

This turns in to a crotchety "Damn kids!" outlook on life. In reality the only difference between kids today, and kids yesterday, is that kids today are imperceptible smarter and more worldly, and that will continue hopefully till the Universe dies.

Side: Disagree
1 point

You are completely right. History is a lot easier to whitewash than the confusing and changing world that is happening now. It is incredibly easy to say that the world is getting worse then your view of the past is blinded by a poor understanding of it.

Side: Disagree
1 point

I voted disagree, but I don't have a lot of hope for this generation. The great thing about the future is that it keeps going and every new generation gets the chance to learn from and improve on the previous generations. People have said this throughout history, but fortunately history works in cycles and eventually things will get better again.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
2 points

But they don't learn from the older generation(s). Each generation is worse and worse than the one before it.

Side: agree
JGalt13(43) Disputed
1 point

Define worse, because it seems to me that the Italian Renaissance was far superior to the Middle Ages, and that could never have happened if successive generations always got progressively worse.

Side: Disagree
1 point

It is easier to see the bad in things and this is apparent with kids.The great kids are out there, you just got to look a little harder to find them.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

But they are few and far between.

20% abuse prescription drugs:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/health/new-study:-20%-of-teens-abuse- drugs-not-prescribed-to-them-

30.3% use drugs during 8th grade:

http://www.teendrugabuse.us/teendrugstatistics.html

25% of 8th graders have smoked. Half aren't even asked for ID!

http://www.sadd.org/stats.htm#tobacco

Side: agree
lyle91(87) Disputed
1 point

Personally, I don't smoke. But most of the teens these days are only smoking marijuana which isn't nearly as bad as alcohol or tobacco. Besides, the numbers were twice as worse in the 60's so I'd say we'll be better off than the previous generation.

Side: Disagree
1 point

I understand your sentiment and I certainly feel that way too sometimes. But then I remember that I was an obnoxious kid once too. It may be a problem with our society that this immaturity lingers longer than it ought to, but eventually they will grow up and grow out of it.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Exactly! My younger sister has been a pain in the ass, but now she's getting closer to being an adult and she seems to slowly but surely getting her act straight. They're kids, they are going to mess around, not listen to elders and do drugs. That is what kids do. Most of them will grow out of it before they hit thirty.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

This generation immaturity lasts longer than it ought to. Next generation, immaturity will last far into adulthood. Next generation, 'maturity' becomes a dirty word.

Side: agree
1 point

That's just how most teenagers are--congratulations, you're terrified by them just like every generation has been of the next. And they'll be terrified of the generation after them, and so on.

Side: Disagree

Weren't you like that when you were young?

i have to admit though that i hate it when people do that. I would have probably thrown popcorn at them.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

I wanted to tell them to 'shut the bloody hell up', or go get an usher; however, as I illustrated in the next section, somebody did that about a year or two back and he got himself killed.

Side: agree
1 point

Ah...

But the fact that you saw a group of young people do really stupid things doesn't mean that their whole generation is like that.

Side: Disagree

And how about the older generation I wonder. How about when they were kids, teens, whatever? I'm sure they wanted to have fun too. They complain about us but I'm sure that if we actually look into their teenage years we can find some rude, embarrassing, bad etc. things that they did.

Not every teen is like this, some teens actually can manage their social lives and education without getting into deep shit.

One more thing, the last time I checked, it was not today's teens that act like kids having an argument when they can't even agree on some shit and decide to solve their problems by fighting wars. It was the people from the supposedly more sensible generation. They are the ones acting like they own everything. They are the ones that act without regard to anyone else. So honestly, what is this compared to teens making noise etc. at the movies?

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

Not nearly as rude, embarrassing, bad as they are now.

Not every teen is like this, some teens actually can manage their social lives and education without getting into deep shit.

Or the lack of a social life. Friends often equal peer pressure. Peer pressure = shit.

It was the people from the supposedly more sensible generation.

So it is your opinion that war is insensible? What makes you think that that is the proper belief?

They are the ones acting like they own everything.

Who? The 'Older Generation'?

Well, I've got news for you: THEY DO OWN EVERYTHING !!

So honestly, what is this compared to teens making noise etc. at the movies?

If you read my entire thesis you'd have learned that that was only one of the many bad experiences I've had with them.

Side: agree
XxCandyGalxX(32) Disputed
1 point

So are you saying you have never been to the movies without being disturbed by teens? I mean I go to the movies loads but I don't see teens shouting out, jumping about etc. all the time. So why are you judging the entire teen population on a small amount of teens you saw.

I have reasons to say war is insensible. For one it takes away peoples lives and tears families apart while leaving other families with worry. For example, my grandfather was a only a boy when WW2 happened, he was forced to leave his home and hide in the mountains when the Japanese invaded Malaysia. In WW1 there were approximately 11 million casualties and in WW2 there were approximately 59 million casualties. Children were taken away from their home and families and sent to live in the countryside, some were lucky and had good foster parents but others who were not so lucky were abused and neglected. People lived in constant fear of air raids, attacks, death of people close to them etc. The country lost a lot of money and many lives were lost. People were totured and murdered. So do tell, how on earth is war a sensible decision or even a good choice in any way?

You've got a point on that one where they do own everything which I overlooked when I typed my argument. However, even though you are right, remember that one day our generation will be the ones owning everything. Honestly, I want to know, do you really think that people can't change? Teens eventually grow out of it as they go to university and real world responsibilities catch up with them. If they change they can still rise to the top, however if they decide to continue being the idiots they were in high school, they fall to the bottom.

Point taken, friends can often lead to peer pressure so this is about the individual knowing their limits. I'm not perfect I give in to peer pressure sometimes but to an extent. I don't go around taking drugs or whatever and if teens are stupid enough to do that, they will have to face the consequences of their decision. It's not like they don't know the dangers of drugs, smoking etc, it's taught in school evey year. People learn from their mistakes and this could just be another way for teens to learn even if it's harsh.   

 

Side: Disagree

The next generation is actually what makes the future with hope because they are the future. Without them, then the future would be without hope.

There are many smart young kids who are willing to help evolve the human specie, so that humanity can grow and prosper.

Side: Disagree
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

Read the dictionary, Grasshopper.

(namely, 'specie' - the definition of which is: "coined money". It is not the singular of 'species')

Side: agree

This is all a misunderstanding and a failure to view the current generation from a historical perspective, which I believe is the root of the issue. This generation is no different in terms of maturity than any other generation throughout history. Since the end of the feudal system, people hold onto the misguided belief that we are all born equal. The majority of people are (greater than or equal to 87%) intellectual peasants and this has always been the case. The difference is that today we call them the working class.

At age 14-25 these people are indeed egotistical, crude, promiscuous and obnoxious. The current generation of 30-45 year-olds were the same and their parents before them. This need not worry you, because they will never make any decisions that will affect humanities future. The top 10% of the world keeps it running and ensures that the vulgar multitudes are fed, clothed and controlled (the latter to an extent).

Before you accuse me of prejudice, know that I am sixteen- a member of the generation in question, if a rather odd one, in that I use more than three brain-cells at a time (IQ 167 and proud). I also have the benefit of being middle-class and most importantly a genuine Englishman. Despite being a master-race and the progenitor of the almost equally prestigious North Americans, we have always suffered this problem. The solution was quite simple, we (intellectual upper classes) ran the country and they picked turnips- it is all they are good for.

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A test of class.

Do you read books for entertainment?

Do you believe a conspiracy theory?

Do you find the state of the world economy to be:

a) A great opportunity for investment,

or

b) The reason you lost your job cutting hedges for a local council?

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Y,N a) - Upper

Y,Y a) - Middle

N,N b) - Lower

Y,Y b) - Liberal/Communist

Side: Disagree