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Titanic disaster avoidance.

If the captain had asked stewards to replace the missing binoculars from the crows nest lookout by asking a rich passenger to borrow a pair then the berg would likely to have been spotted much earlier and avoided. If the full astern command was the only one, then the ship would have collided head on maybe bursting first bulkhead, but kept afloat by berg. If the engines had been kept full ahead, and the rudder full to port, then full to starboard a full avoidance may have resulted. Astern props weaken direction changes.

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The greatest contributing factor in the sinking of the Titanic was the speed of the ship. Captain Smith knew he was in an area of ice and should have reduced speed, particularly in hours of darkness. The reason he didn't reduce speed was his desire to set a new trans-Atlantic speed record. The monetary stakes were huge and there was a constant competition among shipping lines to be the fastest. Every company wanted their newest ship to beat the record on it's maiden voyage and of course White Star Line wanted the Titanic to break the speed record in order to have bragging rights and become the first choice for travelers. Every new ship of that era tried to beat all previous speed records, the competition was unrelenting. Captain Smith was under a lot of pressure to break the record regardless of whether or not he was actually ordered to do so he wanted that record and he knew that if he reduced speed for ice he wouldn't get it.

No one is sure that binoculars would have done any good. A lookout standing in the Titanic's crows nest would be facing frozen arctic air at a speed of 22 knots. Even modern binoculars become useless in far less extreme conditions when cold air causes the lenses to fog. I don't think anyone would argue that 1912 era binoculars would have been any better.

There were various factors that contributed to the disaster becoming as great as it did after the collision but excessive speed was the cause of the collision itself.

Supporting Evidence: Excessive Speed (www.encyclopedia-titanica.org)
Side: Ship saved
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Speed of the Titanic was the cause of it's failure ? Never heard that ! Continue with your Circle of Stupidity because your binoculars are Definitely fogged you Dummy

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Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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I also tend to believe that, while the binoculars may have bought seconds of time, it may not have been enough to fully prevent the catastrophe, even if they worked well enough. Given how dark it was there is still a false perception on the distance of an object, the fact that the captain increased the speed when he knew the waters had such hazards is the main reason. While they may see a tip of an iceberg there is no real way to know what danger is under the water and how far the iceberg extends below depth.

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@Hughie - I'd like to continue this conversation about the Titanic but I won't do it as long as this troll is allowed to post. If you want me involved you'll have to ban this troll or I'll start a new debate on this subject and ban him from the beginning. You can message me.

@-Outlaw60- if you continue to stalk me I'm going to have you removed. This will be your last warning.

Side: Ship saved
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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What's wrong Cry Baby opposition just to much for your Progressive Mind to deal with ??????????? LMMFAO

Side: Too close to avoid
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Rust Boy is into banning now how surprising is that for a Progressive like you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Hey Stupid what happened to your last warning ? Does your keyboard make you strong ROTFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Hey Cry Baby you still have not come through on your false promise and believe this Dummy i just laugh at how stupid you are !!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Too close to avoid
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The borrowed binoculars would have spotted the White berg on the black sea/sky horizon. The irony is I bet scores of binoculars belonging to rich passengers went down with the Titanic.

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No ice didn't have anything to do with the unsinkable ship it was the speed of the ship as Progressive Rust Boy said LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Too close to avoid
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As the Titanic was built in my home city of Belfast I have studied most of the possible causes for the disaster and have concluded that it's sinking was due to poor seamanship and negligence.

Insofar that the conditions were calm and the evening stars illuminated the seascape for miles in all directions one must assume that the lookouts could not have been as vigilant as they should have been under the circumstances and despite the captain being warned about icebergs drifting in the area he recklessly ordered the vessel's crew to travel at a speed incompatible with the conditions whilst he popped off for a few big ZZZs.

The liner was well designed by Thomas Andrews and build by the highly skilled, hardmen from East Belfast so we can eliminate these factors as possible causes for the Titanic's tragic ending.

Side: Too close to avoid
Rusticus(810) Disputed
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"The liner was well designed by Thomas Andrews and build by the highly skilled, hardmen from East Belfast so we can eliminate these factors as possible causes for the Titanic's tragic ending."

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Not even close:

The Titanic had critical design and material flaws that greatly contributed to the sinking:

Material Failures

When the Titanic collided with the iceberg, the hull steel and the wrought iron rivets failed because of brittle fracture. A type of catastrophic failure in structural materials, brittle fracture occurs without prior plastic deformation and at extremely high speeds. The causes of brittle fracture include low temperature, high impact loading, and high sulphur content. On the night of the Titanic disaster, each of these three factors was present: The water temperature was below freezing, the Titanic was travelling at a high speed on impact with the iceberg, and the hull steel contained high levels of sulphur.

Design Flaws

Along with the material failures, poor design of the watertight compartments in the Titanic's lower section was a factor in the disaster. The lower section of the Titanic was divided into sixteen major watertight compartments that could easily be sealed off if part of the hull was punctured and leaking water. After the collision with the iceberg, the hull portion of six of these sixteen compartments was damaged, as shown in Figure 3. Sealing off the compartments was completed immediately after the damage was realized, but as the bow of the ship began to pitch forward from the weight of the water in that area of the ship, the water in some of the compartments began to spill over into adjacent compartments. Although the compartments were called watertight, they were actually only watertight horizontally; their tops were open and the walls extended only a few feet above the waterline [Hill, 1996]. If the transverse bulkheads (the walls of the watertight compartments that are positioned across the width of the ship) had been a few feet taller, the water would have been better contained within the damaged compartments. Consequently, the sinking would have been slowed, possibly allowing enough time for nearby ships to help. However, because of the extensive flooding of the bow compartments and the subsequent flooding of the entire ship, the Titanic was gradually pulled below the waterline.

The Hull Steel

The first hint that brittle fracture of the hull steel contributed to the Titanic disaster came following the recovery of a piece of the hull steel from the Titanic wreck. After cleaning the piece of steel, the scientists noted the condition of the edges. Jagged and sharp, the edges of the piece of steel appeared almost shattered, like broken china. Also, the metal showed no evidence bending or deformation. Typical high-quality ship steel is more ductile and deforms rather than breaks [Gannon, 1995].

Similar behavior was found in the damaged hull steel of the Titanic's sister ship, Olympic, after a collision while leaving harbor on September 20, 1911. A 36-foot high opening was torn into the starboard side of the Olympic's hull when a British cruiser broadsided her. Failure of the riveted joints and ripping of the hull plates were apparent in the area of impact. However, the plate tears exhibited little plastic deformation and the edges were unusually sharp, having the appearance of brittle fractures [Garzke and others, 1994].

Further evidence of the brittle fracture of the hull steel was found when a cigarette-sized coupon of the steel taken from the Titanic wreck was subjected to a Charpy test. Used to measure the brittleness of a material, the Charpy test is run by holding the coupon against a steel backing and striking the coupon with a 67 pound pendulum on a 2.5-foot-long arm. The pendulum's point of contact is instrumented, with a readout of forces electronically recorded in millisecond detail. A piece of modern high-quality steel was tested along with the coupon from the hull steel. Both coupons were placed in a bath of alcohol at -1°C to simulate the conditions on the night of the Titanic disaster. When the coupon of the modern steel was tested, the pendulum swung down and halted with a thud; the test piece had bent into a "V." However, when the coupon of the Titanic steel was tested, the pendulum struck the coupon with a sharp "ping," barely slowed, and continued up on its swing; the sample, broken into two pieces, sailed across the room [Gannon, 1995]. Pictures of the two coupons following the Charpy test are shown in Figure 1. What the test showed, and the readout confirmed, is the brittleness of the Titanic's hull steel. When the Titanic struck the iceberg, the hull plates did not deform. They fractured.

Supporting Evidence: Titanic design and construction flaws (writing.engr.psu.edu)
Side: Ship saved