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Congrats Pennsylvania Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
Debate Score:140
Arguments:104
Total Votes:172
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To All You Bible Thumping Bigots !

 

 

My Home state of Pennsylvania legalized gay marriage, face it you guys are losing, give up, America is no longer in the hands of Merican bigots, Whoohoo!

Congrats Pennsylvania

Side Score: 87
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Burn in Hell Pennsylvania

Side Score: 53

Yea Amerika!

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

I am truly amazed with American politics for doing this, I honestly never thought it would happen in my life time!

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania

Congratualtions of America, but if you think we are close to winning anything you are very wrong. Only 21 of the 96 countries (colonies not included) allow gay marriage.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
shoutoutloud(4302) Clarified
2 points

I realize the ... really awkward mistake I made. I didn't mean to say congratulations of America. I'm not even sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. But .. yeah

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

Congrats. That's spectacular, but what about Christians who support gay marriage? I don't think they would mind really.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

Ah. Congratulations PA! This should please a lot of people... and annoy the hell out of the Bible Thumpers. badumtiss

A major step in the right direction, in my opinion.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
1 point

A major step in the right direction for my home state, I am so proud : )

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania

Look at that ass! Oh wait: too awesome that gays can get married!

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania

I was going on a tour to Philadelphia when suddenly a gay parade appeared. No joke. I was riding in a horse and buggy when the horseman says " This shit didn't flush when I was a kid" and it was the best part of the trip. I really don't care. If you Pennsylvanians want this, then congratulations.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
1 point

I can't believe in the time we live in, this is even still an issue.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Coldthedog(244) Disputed
1 point

Why do you think gay marriage is a good thing. Why should our modern times be expected to allow gays. Your statement didn't show why gay marriage is a good thing. Look at the posts of the people against it. They took some time to show thier point of view and explain why. All this side has done is support gay rights for no reason.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
DrawFour(2662) Clarified
2 points

Like I said, I can't believe this is an issue. I didn't bother to dispute anyone because this is basic human rights, the right to allow legally consenting people to just be with each other, or at the very least for anyone not involved, to not be concerned. I ask you personally if you're not some troll, why do you care that gays can or cannot get married. I can tell you already I care because if we allow them to stomp on their rights, it'll only be a matter of time before they try to stomp on my rights.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
1 point

Why should our modern times be expected to allow gays.

This is America. We aren't supposed to be in the business of not allowing things. It used to be a selling point that we are a free country.

Look at the posts of the people against it. They took some time to show thier point of view and explain why.

Is it really a big deal that you guys claimed it was a sin on the other side? Does that really make your position so great?

All this side has done is support gay rights for no reason.

We have had other debates about this and it is explained there.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
1 point

If you are gay and you want to get married that's your own thing, isn't my business. Still though, not liking the bible thumping bigots thing.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
1 point

It doesn't apply to you if you aren't a bigot.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania

One step forward, lets hope this still keeps going till all states accept it.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

Lets leave religion behind for a second and look at this from a scientific stand point. Humans are the only animals to pair with partners of the opposite sex, proving that it's not natural. After all, if it was so natural, then why can't gay or lesbian couples produce offspring? If you want to be gay, feel free, but it's none of the governments business anyway, so what's the big deal?

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
J-Roc77(70) Disputed
5 points

Humans are the only animals to pair with partners of the opposite sex, proving that it's not natural.

Errrr.... no. This is something you can google and find many examples of within the animal kingdom. Mammals, birds, insects even. Here is a start, and if you really care to see your err.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual behaviorin_animals

http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/

There are many more examples as well.

After all, if it was so natural, then why can't gay or lesbian couples produce offspring?

Then women who have passed menopause or people who have had debilitating accidents are by your measures in the same boat. Homosexuals are still biologically able to produce offspring, just not with their partners.

Choosing to have kids or not is fine. There is more to being a couple than producing offspring. It benefits mental health for starters.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
provemeright(13) Disputed
1 point

Well them animals gonna burn in hell...

As for people with menopause and diseases, that is completely irrelevant. Are you comparing homosexuality to a disease because neither can produce offspring? Diseases and menopause are completely natural occurrences, whereas homosexuality does not make biological sense at all.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
1 point

Enjoy it now while you can because all sins will have to be paid for eventually. Your choice to be homosexual will only hurt you in the long run after death. But hey, who am I to judge, maybe gay marriage for one lifetime is worth spending eternity in Hell.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
1 point

I disagree with this side's title. But there is a blatant error in your posting. Pennsylvania didn't legalize anything. A rogue federal judge yet again summarily overruled the will of the people.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
-3 points
Warjin(1577) Disputed
3 points

The persecution is coming

How Christian of you : (

A true God is about "Love" not hate...

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Disputed
3 points

A true God is about "Love" not hate...

God does love but He doesn't like it when people sin. He wants them to repent and turn to Him. That's why He hates the sin but not the sinner.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

A true God is about "Love" not hate...

God's love and God's law are one in the same. He knows us better than we know ourselves.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
Atrag(5551) Clarified
3 points

persecution = refusing a groups right to cause harm to others.

You can't dictate how other people live their lives. The state is secular. How can you expect them to make laws that harm other people based on what the book says? We don't believe it. Get over it kid.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
4 points

I don't know if thats really an accurate description of persecution.

Christians are already being persecuted. Maybe not en masse, or by the majority- and they certainly are nowhere close to an 'oppressed minority' yet- however, the anti-religious agenda is taking things a bit too far. It's one thing to complain about displaying religious paraphernalia on government/public property- that seems pretty reasonable, really. But it's another entirely to object to an individual praying nearby, or wearing a piece of paraphernalia such as a crucifix or skullcap. This does happen. More and more, I see Christian individuals being dismissed out of hand altogether simply for being Christian. I'm well aware that there are other groups who suffer from far more severe and pervasive persecution than Christians, but dismissal of Christian persecution because of this is a clear case of the fallacy of relative privation.

One example: At the company I worked for prior to my current one, the CTO handled all hiring for the IT group. When a position opened, he would go through the resumes that came in, filter them down to a number of candidates. Then he'd conduct phone interviews, narrow it down further, then finally do a handful of in person interviews. Before hiring, though, in addition to background checks et al, he would look the person up on various social media sites. On numerous occasions, I heard/watched him discard applicants who had excellent background and skillsets simply due to discovering that they identified as anything other than atheist/agnostic- he felt wholly justified in this, saying he could not trust the judgement of those who believed in fairy tales. I should have reported him, and I'm ashamed for never having done so- I was more concerned with my employment than I was with principles. In my defense, I never had any kind of evidence anyway, and being on record as having filed charges against an employer damages ones employability in this climate- regardless of whether said charges were justified or not.

It's at a small scale now, but religion in general appears to be on a decline within the US; I expect more severe persecution in the future.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
3 points

The persecution is coming to America folks and its coming fast.he persecution is coming to America folks and its coming fast.

Dammit man, stop it with your damn victim complex. You Christians make up the overwhelming majority of US citizens, politicians, and leaders.

Nobody's coming after you!

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

It's going to come just you wait and see.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
GCSB(83) Disputed
2 points

My how Christian of you. May I ask though, do you swear? do you follow the law to the t? do you eat prawns and bacon? have you ever lied? have you ever torn someone down because they are in love? If you have done any of those things (which don't say you haven't because we all have done one) then please return to your 2000 year old bible because you would not be following the laws of your lord.

If your God is this great forgiving man then tell me why can he not forgive those who love the same sex? Their love for each other is no different from any other so why should we treat as if it is?

Your religion taught men to treat those around us with respect, care and compassion. He taught us that all man kind is equal, he also taught us that those who live their lives in incompetence will never live a real life. Your religion should not change your views it is merely a guide that was written thousands of years ago. Do we still stone prostitutes to death? No we don't, so why cant you change your views on same sex marriage?

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Disputed
3 points

My how Christian of you. May I ask though, do you swear? do you follow the law to the t? do you eat prawns and bacon? have you ever lied? have you ever torn someone down because they are in love? If you have done any of those things (which don't say you haven't because we all have done one) then please return to your 2000 year old bible because you would not be following the laws of your lord.

No, I don't swear because in the Bible it specifically says that you shouldn't swear. I have lied before. Everyone makes mistakes nobody on this earth is perfect. I do read my Bible from time to time.

If your God is this great forgiving man then tell me why can he not forgive those who love the same sex? Their love for each other is no different from any other so why should we treat as if it is?

He can forgive those who love the same sex, but they have to to turn away from that sin and not do it again. If someone continues doing the same sin, God isn't going to forgive them unless they stop.

Your religion taught men to treat those around us with respect, care and compassion. He taught us that all man kind is equal, he also taught us that those who live their lives in incompetence will never live a real life. Your religion should not change your views it is merely a guide that was written thousands of years ago. Do we still stone prostitutes to death? No we don't, so why cant you change your views on same sex marriage?

What you just said about "stoning prostitutes to death" were apart of the OT law and those laws, Christians don't follow because they are for the Jewish people.

Yes we are suppose to treat others with respect, care and compassion but we are suppose to call out sin because Christ told us to do. I'm not going to change my views on same sex marriage because Christ clearly says in the Bible that it's wrong. I stand with what Christ says in the Bible and my views.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
2 points

I love you but it hurts that you dont accept me cuz Im bisexual.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Clarified
2 points

I'm only restating what the Bible says and what God says. Take it up with God, Dana.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

The persecution is coming. Those who persecute shall not whine when karma kicks them in the [email protected]@.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
2 points

stick with what God ordained humans to follow.

That's nice. Seeing as nothing has changed in your ability to stick with what God ordained, you have nothing to complain about.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
1 point

wow, I didn't even have to read your argument. I read the title of the side you decided to post your argument on. I gotta say, you're not convincing me that you're sincere in your Christian beliefs. Not saying that you have to though.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

I am sincere in my beliefs, but of course if I say things like that I get down-voted because people don't want to hear that kind of stuff coming out of somewho who is a Christian. It's no surprise that on this site that if you're an atheist all of you guys gather around and upvote each other and down-vote all the Christians.

That's why this site is mostly biased towards atheists and agnostics.

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
Srom(12206) Clarified
-1 points

HAHAHAHAHA IT'S SO TYPICAL THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DOWNVOTE ME AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania
3 points

You hardly ever get downvoted, stop complaining. I am pretty sure 80% of the downvotes you get is from the trolls on here who downvote everybody. I don't know why this one was so bad. You shouldn't have been downvoted here. It might be because you think it is persecution to eliminate persecution. Did you ever think the position that restricting the expression of Christianity being persecution and the restricting of non Christians not being persecution was a bad position to take?

Side: Burn in Hell Pennsylvania
DrawFour(2662) Clarified
1 point

This looks like a troll lashing out.

Side: Congrats Pennsylvania