What extent do agree or disagree with the below statement with religion in mind
Idolatry (biblical)- worshiping idols in turn creating an image they believe to have power but forgeting their own role in creating that as an idol in their own mind.
Scientific idolatry- applying the above to scientific principles:
Today the average person-including a good many scientists-treat tye ideas, concepts, and theories, of science in excactly the same way the ancients treated their golden calves. We take quarks, black holes, and the big bang theory to be objective elements in an authoratative desciption of an external, indepedent reality. We forget or sepress the fact these elements areideas that came originally from the human mind, as do all the arguements we use to justify them. All tue scientific concepts and theories, together with tye whole system and rationale if the so-called scientific method, clearly originated in the human mind. The complex, extensive, detailed, abd astonishing picture of the natural world that we call science is the product of human thought, insigight, and genius. It neither external , nor independent, nor final, nor even provable. Tye whole structure and content of science, including its fabled emperical method, is like vast intricate games whose rules, playing board, and pieces were all created by human beings fir their use, benefit, amusement, power, and security.
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Although you don't explicitly state this, I get the feeling that you are not pleased with human's desire to understand the world, and indeed the universe we live. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't God create man, and his mind. Why would he give us the curiosity to wonder about these questions and the intellect to try and find the answers, if he didn't want us to use them? 1
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That is true in fact I tell that to many Christians who more or less straight up don't believe in scientific advancements like the big bang. What I don't agree with the use of it to the extent to exclude the existence if God or to say he's not needed. If God does exist he said in the Bible to not put any knowledge above him (I'll get the reference later) or something like that. Could it be that, these scientific advances are not being used to exclude the existence of God, but to change our understanding of Him? Mankind has become much more intelligent and knowledgeable since biblical times. Just as when teaching a child you start with more basic ideas that the child can understand, but as they grow and learn more you advance to more complex ideas. I just think people gave up trying to see the whole spectrum of religion and science and are just shouting at each other from two cliffs without looking for the bridge between them. 1
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Science is observing and explaining our surroundings. It is used to help us understand why things happen. Why do I fall? Why do I feel pain? What is lightning? These random questions may have been asked before but back then people said lightning is an act of God. Pain is judgment from the Gods. You fall because the pressure of heaven pushes you down. Pretty much shortcuts. We may never know what is true or not. It is funny when people say truth doesnt exist though. So something must have a truth to it. 1
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Oh OK. The long paragraph is actually from a book on physics, which I am now citing oops! (Physics for the rest of us by roger s. Jones), is a segment of a small chapter just explaining all scientific principles are subjective and really are figments of our imagination no matter how much we believe they are or actually right they are 1
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The theories are put together in the mind but are supported and formed by real tangible replicatable evidence. Science in and of itself is subjective in that its flexible. If something contradicts it then we adapt that new theory, always getting more correct and complete. Religion is ALSO subjective and invented by the minds of men but it claims to be objective. And these men were ancient. And they had little to no knowledge of the world as we know it today. Not to mention these "religious theories" aren't really theories because they are not supported by any tangible evidence whatsoever. Sure, scientific theories and religious ideas are both equal in that they're thought up by men, however scientific theories are inspired and formed by evidence and religious ideas are the equivalents of wild guesses, and poor ones at that. trumpet_guy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 1
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My point is for the hardcore atheists who use science as a way to exclude God. Something that could come along that completely changeshow things are seen. Example being the evolving theory of the atom and its intricate pieces. It is all subjective to our observations but what we can observe changes with advancements. |
