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Debate Score:57
Arguments:40
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Transgenders?

Is being a transgender and wanting to change your body a mental illness or something that should be accepted? 


Kinda hoping FromWithin joins in. 

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Mental illness

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I don't think it's a mental illness, I think it's more aberrant behavior, something we all have in our own way to a certain extent. As they say, one person's norm is another person's perversion, that's what we have here. I think it's the left trying to make this behavior mainstream and trying to force you to accept it. That's where I have a problem. I don't care what consenting adults do in private, just leave me out of it.

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I think it's the left trying to make this behavior mainstream and trying to force you to accept it.

Hello High:

Transgenderism IS a fact. Should it not be discussed? Is discussing it a left wing plot? Dude!

excon

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
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You idiot Democrat you and your party are hung up on trannies so Dude do you not understand that simple fact.

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HighFalutin(2968) Clarified
1 point

Discussion is fine. I'm not like the left where I want to censor those I don't like and/or disagree with.

That was easy.

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I don't think it's a mental illness, I think it's more aberrant behavior

Like stacking your post with upvotes from puppet accounts? That kind of aberrant behaviour?

If somebody wants to change gender I don't give a rat's ass about it, and neither should you, but of course you DO want to tell people how to live their lives, which is why you are here bashing trannies.

And to further antagonise people with your thorough intellectual dishonesty, you then claim that you: "Are not like the left. I don't want to censor people for having a different opinion".

But of course you do want to do exactly that, which is why you are here shaming trannies in the first place!

Side: Mental illness
HighFalutin(2968) Clarified
1 point

Stacking posts with upvotes? I have one account, only. I don't open multiple accounts as I have better things to do. Perhaps you are projecting?

I don't care what consenting adults do with their bodies, either.

I censor no one. Having an opposing opinion is not censorship.

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I want to make it clear to all of the naïve people on this site that

1. I'm glad you don't disagree with trans people.

2. You acknowledge peoples' rights to privacy

3. Making the assumption that trans people are taking over the media is a complete exaggeration. Do you know what happened when Harvey Milk stood up for the LGBT community? He was murdered. Does that sound like an oppressor, or "taking over the media" to you?

4. Why is it a concern when children see it? I remember seeing it as a kid and not giving a damn. Children are the most impartial people out there.

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I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really don't give a fuck.

Live your life. You want to have a dick, but live as if you're a woman? Congratulations, I don't care. Same regarding your bedroom activities. Not my concern.

It becomes my concern when transgender people expect the world to adapt to them. And to be clear, most trans people don't do that. I don't care what's between your legs and how it relates to what's between your ears, we can all sit down and drink beer together. But if you're going to rage over what pronoun I'm using, or demand a small business install six different bathrooms or some other shit that only the loudest of trans people do, here's my reaction in advance:

"I don't care. Beer?"

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seanB(934) Disputed
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I have to agree with this. I really don't have any issues with any person in the world who wishes to change their gender. I really don't. Go for it, I say. Whatever makes you happy.

But, transgender people are a tiny, tiny, extremely rare minority in the human species. The vast majority of humans are not transgender, they are completely fine as they are. So when I see this shit about "choosing your kids gender", or dressing boys in dresses to make a point, or forcing kids to "decide what gender they would like to be", I just think to myself "what the actual fuck?"

If my kid comes to me, at any age, and tells me he wants to become a woman, I will accept him, and love him, and support him, and when he becomes "her", I will accept her and support her and love her just the same.

What I will not do, is ask him at the age of three what gender he wants to be. It's fucking madness.

There is compassion, understanding, and kindness, and then there is just bonkers bananas bullshit.

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Is being a Conservative Republican and wanting to live in the seventh century a mental illness or something that should be accepted?

Good question.

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NathanAllen(2262) Clarified
3 points

Either debate the topic or get off the site. Which do you choose? Telling me irrelevant information is not debating.

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Either debate the topic or get off the site.

You haven't presented any "topic". You're rattling off typical Republican anti-LBGT hate speech because you belong in the seventh century. You probably think these people sinned in a past life or something equally mad.

And I've got news for you. You don't own this website buddy, and you certainly don't get to tell anybody else to "get off the site" simply because they parody your own infantile efforts to manufacture a political narrative. Your question (i.e. suggestion) is highly offensive and constitutes hate speech you piece of shit.

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
3 points

How much love do you have for trannies. Now you know that your friends in Iran do not hold the view you have

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BurritoLunch(2386) Clarified
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How much love do you have for trannies. Now you know that your friends in Iran do not hold the view you have

The only people I ever see attacking gays and trannies are idiots like you. You are wrong in the head. You attack and slander gays all day and then follow up by criticising Iran. You're an idiot.

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
2 points

Brit are you saying you Leftist are not gender confused Leftist. Now that would be a good question.

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
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Leftist you like the gender confused and the Leftist running for president are just as confused as you are.

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Transgenders have a mental illness defined by many different psychology experts, and it is called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is to blame for people wanting to change there body to match how they feel. Gender dysphoria is to blame for transgenders feeling the way they do.

And the cure for gender dysphoria as most say is reassignment surgery. How is changing one's body normal because they feel like they shouldn't have a penis or shouldn't have a vagina.

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excon(13392) Disputed
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How is changing one's body normal

Hello again, Nate:

Uhhh, what's normal? The way YOU do things?? What if I DON'T do things the way you do? Does that make me abnormal? What if you like chocolate and I don't?

I'm just saying that what you call "normal" is normal for YOU, but not everybody else.. And, what, if anything, should we DO about the people who you don't think are "normal"?? Isn't that the real reason for your post is that you wanna DO something to somebody??

excon

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Thanks for actually responding and not just making an irrelevant statement. My reason for this debate is to see what others think about transgenders. I have changed my views on this community due to research studies on trans people in general. The most popular thing most of those studies have found in trans people is they have a mental illness called gender dysphoria. I believe these people need help from licensed and professional sources.

If surgery helps some of them so be it. The debate is not to demand trans people not go through surgery but to enlighten them that changing one's body is not mentally sound. As a few research studies have shown the suicide rate after reassignment is 20 times higher than that of there peers 10 to 15 years after surgery. If surgery was what trans people really needed to feel better why is the rate of suicide so much higher.

http://www.histruthinlove.com/sex-reassignment-surgery-produces-20-times-higher-suicide-rate-10-years-later/

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

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1 point

Well, two options here, 1) either nature's/God's gender design which evolved over countless millions of years is flawed, or 2) transgenders whose condition is described as the psychological disorder referred to as dysphoria have been right all along.

It's a difficult choice to make but after due consideration I think I'll run with option 1.

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God's gender design which evolved over countless millions of years is flawed

Your premise that evolution has anything to do with sky fairies is significantly more flawed son.

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
1 point

I know a Leftist like you would not be confused by some premise you are told to accept.

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Is being a transgender and wanting to change your body a mental illness or something that should be accepted?

Hello Nate:

Couple things.. The great thing about this country is, nobody is trying to force you to accept something you don't wanna accept.. No law is forcing you to do that, and certainly no individual is forcing you. You're FREE to feel the way you want to feel. You're FREE to believe a certain group of people are mentally ill or not. That's as it should be in a FREE country..

Of course, other people, as long as they're not hurting anybody else, are also FREE to do with their body as they CHOOSE to do. That too is the way it should be in a FREE country.

Since people are FREE to do this stuff, I wonder why it bothers you so. I wonder if you see a guy wearing bib overalls, do you think he's FORCING you to accept bib overalls? Why is transgenderism even a topic of conversation? I wonder if you think you should DO something about it. Or should we, as a country, DO something about it???

Well, of course, we shouldn't.. These are just people enjoying their freedom - like YOU do.. Ain't this a great country, or what??

excon

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
1 point

What about the 14th amendment and the 10th amendment.

14th amendment has 4 sections.

10th amendment

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

How is it you figure out your confused world each day

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This LGBT hysteria is a political movement by the Left. Absolutely no question about this fact.

The Democrat Party can not give a speech without giving special mention to their LGBT base.

If you actually think these Democrat Politicians actually care about these groups means you know little about the Party of identity politics.

Democrats will lift up any group that they think will fund their political campaigns. They are so consumed with votes that they would even search out possible illegal immigrant votes in the future. They have long ago sold their souls to Feminist and Pro abortion lobbies for money and votes.

This LGBT hysteria all started out with supposed tolerance for diversity. Most of us agree that no one should be bullied or beaten up for being different, so we understood the concerns in the beginning. But as we are seeing, this was never their final goal. They have become a powerful political force on the Left and have truly become Big Brother at it's worse.

They have forced every State to change their marriage laws, against the will of the people in

those States.

They are forcing public schools to allow so called transgender boys in our daughter's sports.

They have allowed Transgenders access to our Kindergartners in our public schools, conditioning these impressionable children to embrace this dysfunction.

It amazes me how so few people speak out against this outright indoctrination of our children.

These same hypocrites who screamed they did not want their children being exposed to a prayer, have no problem pushing their political correctness on all children no matter what parents think.

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excon(13392) Disputed
2 points

They have forced every State to change their marriage laws, against the will of the people in those States.

Hello From:

Your Faux version of the truth ain't gonna fly here.. I've told you what the words in the Constitution say, and you accuse me of twisting them.. That's cause you don't like them..

Let's discuss... The 10th Amendment says that if YOU have a right to something, EVERYBODY has that right.. Therefore, if YOU have a right to marry whom you choose, EVERYBODY has that right. It's as simple as that.

That's NOT the left wing saying it.. It's the Constitution of these United States saying it.. The rest of your drivel has as much validity as your total misrepresentation of our vaunted Constitution..

I thought right wingers loved the Constitution.. No, huh?

excon

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Chinaman(1968) Clarified
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The Democrat has moved from the 14th amendment now to the 10th amendment.

Why is marriage so important to you Democrat.

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FromWithin(8234) Disputed
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This LGBT hysteria is a political movement by the Left. Absolutely no question about this fact.

Of course there isn't, because as you predictably failed to mention: if it were up to evil bastards like you they would all be either killed or sent to jail.

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lawlessness and insanity are now termed "True Expression" - Transgenders define.

Side: Mental illness
1 point

The idea that self-castration can solve your psychological issues is definetely a symptom of a mental illness.

Side: Mental illness