True or False About Atheism 2
Having been indoctrinated as a child into believing the teachings if the Christian Religion I was, at the ripe old age of 10 or 12, aware that it was no more than the 'well meaning' hocus pocus written by a selection of academics who were trying to explain the mysteries of the cosmos with the limited scientific knowledge which was available at that time.
My reasoning had nothing to do with 'free thinking but instead was the realization that what the scriptures were asking us to believe was the superstitious nonsense of 2000 year old book.
TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR, HOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE.
We don't have to wonder anymore, we know why the light from the far off stars appears to flicker.
Like millions of atheists who are respectful of the sentiments of Christianity and its followers, we arrived at our conclusion long before Google, or the mass use of computers.
You work your side of the street and we'll work ours.
You are ignoring the OP which points at atheistic attempts to annihilate themselves by believing they are not supernatural creatures and are free from trouble in death.
Atheists who have any backbone will admit that they believe life is totally meaningless and ultimately without value. Modern atheists avoid examining or exposing the futility of their philosophy because they know it justifies survival of the fittest with no objective morality; giving rise to Communism, Hitler, and even Islam which Mohammed presented as the religion of kill all the unbelievers (survival of the fittest).
JustIgnoreMe(4290) Disputed Banned
"...in speaking with 10,000s of these mental midgets..."
You have not. That claim is false. You are a troll who plays around on less than a half dozen sites like this one and clash with less than a dozen actual atheists on each of those. Most likely you've clashed with less than 50 atheists in recent years, and odds are over half of those are people you merely accuse of atheism because they challenge your narrow view of your own religion.
All atheists say the same stupid things.......only around 20 basic nonsensical points they uphold while clinging to their mental block trying to prevent the light of truth from exposing their evil.
You and your brother are both on your way to Hell thinking your goodness excuses your sins.
Atheistic thinking is limited by atheistic beliefs. Any claim of them being "renown for being independent thinkers" is a sham...just a bunch of fools applauding each other. Atheism must think inside the box of atheism and that box grows bigger when more atheists are added to it just like a fire when you add more wood. It's a mental prison for convicts on death row before they are executed and left in the fire of Hell.
Smoke a joint, excon, and try to avoid thinking about God's timing for his execution of punishment against your sins. The one who took the punishment for you (Jesus) is risen from the dead and your stupid weed has your mind clouded maybe enough that you don't care He will be your Judge if not your Savior.
Keep on in your pride, wink and smoke a fatty and keep on telling yourself that you are free.
JustIgnoreMe(4290) Disputed Banned
Surprise, it’s viceregent, here convince us all to give up our blasphemous ways and proport the ‘GLORY OF JESUS’ blah blah blah.
These are not debates, he just starts a debate with a clearly biased supposition and then demands his viewpoints be justified by saying things like “crap stain, i didn’t ask about x y z, make some sence, learn how to read”
He is clearly, I really hope, a confused young adult, who is lashing out at a world that categorically limits his views from being proported in the same journals as scientific information.
I’ve said this before, and I even have a debate on the futility of debating persons with these attitudes. Persons with these thoughts and intention are purely ignorant, and in churches ignorance breeds arrogance. I’m positive that some sort of causal link can be made from people with these conditions to some sort of catalyst in their personal, or home environment.
Your main argument is obviously an old rehashed version of an argument that you lost trying to extol the virtues of Christianity I’m sure. Someone told you that you were being sadly predictable in coming up with arguments based on interpretations of ancient Aramaic and Judiaistic cultures. So you turned it around on athiests as your brilliant counterpoint that athiests are being deterministic when acting under the morals they have adopted.
No one cares if they are a deterministic machine, just as no one cares whether gods underpants are blue or aquamarine. If everything is preordained than you can no more control the future than an ant could. Your just a plodding soldier of deterministic intent.
But if we’re not deterministic machines, but actually free thinking, choice making, world changing higher primates, than all of our choices for good or bad, pass into the future as well intentioned actions from an intelligent and benevolent society that is at its core is controlled by the selfish need to proliferate. You are the architect of your own destiny.
My point is to believe you are a creature without a cause tends to make you sad, but if you think you are a special being made by the creator of the universe, then that tends to make you hopeful. Both
of these cannot be true at the same time, yet neither can truly be proved.
The truth is that when the humans that wrote the stories that turned into the bible wrote them, they intended them to be read by two different types of people, some who cannot understand metaphorical positions, and some that do. It’s easy to see, because Good and God are completely interchangeable through the entire book. It’s easy to see how Good can affect change in the minds of people who are diffuse in knowledge. And how the spirit of Good can survive through eternity, never changing, never abandoning, never absent. But replace that word with god and half the population will murder their own neighbor if they thought that god wanted them too. Do you think they would still think the same way if god in their minds was replaced by good?
They insist that if God created them, they have no free will so they are excused for refusing to focus on the points you present. If they admit that they have freedom of choice, then they have to admit responsibility for their sins. Both options are unacceptable to the fools because they cannot face the fact that damnation in the fire of Hell is justice against sin.
Why don't you tell us what your religious beliefs are? Are you into flailing yourself with a whip? Speaking in tongues? Are you a snake handler?
I actually respect the snake handling true believers because they put their money (there lives) where their mouth is. Sure they get bitten from time to time but hey, they get to go see the guy in the sky, right?
So I'd like to know, what's your particular Christian fetish? How do YOU walk the talk?
One thing's for sure, you're not going to convert anybody on this web site.
If you're not devout enough to go the snake route, you could at least park yourself on a street corner and wave your BUY-BULL around and convert the heathens that way. That's what a TRUE believer would do. You're just passing gas here.
They shall take up serpants: Mark 16:18
He's made it pretty clear that he believes God is there. Why can't you see that, moron? That is as far as he's gone explaining his beliefs.
Why don't you try explaining your beliefs? The guy repeatedly points out that fools like you are incapable of looking at their beliefs and admitting that they are nothing but beliefs with no sound philosophical basis and no true scientific evidence.
Atheism is just as ignorant of a stance as theism, and revolves around claiming you know about the universe without facts fully supporting your position. Agnosticism is a stance that can be derived directly from self-reflection and deep thought. To claim you know something pertaining to everything when we do not yet know everything is false. To say there is a god despite no evidence in favor of its existence and to say there is no god when there is far too much we haven't even begun to explore are on the same level of idiocy.
The simple fact that there are no scientific studies documented to show virtually any probability that a God exists. However, the burden of proof is on your ignorant self to prove that what you claim to exist exists. It's like me claiming my bottle of mouthwash is sentient, then telling you to prove me wrong.
Just because You don’t have any ideas out the origin of our universe, or species, or thought, or consciousness, that doesn’t mean other people don’t. You like to believe ‘maybe, maybe not’, that’s your prerogative, but other people have actual models based on scientific theory and supposition that give a satisfactory world view that may allow people to function in society, on this basis.
I thought it was hilarious to talk about how ‘deep thought’ and reflection caused you to come to these views. I’d read more if I were you.
You seem to be confused on my position. I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't claim "maybe, maybe not" like it's a 50/50 chance. I don't believe there is a God, I believe in models based on scientific theory and supposition while also addressing that, until there is no doubt whatsoever, we can't be certain. My stance is "99.9999% chance there's no God, but tack on the 0.0001% as a maybe just because we can't say 100%". You don't seem to grasp, also, that these models that give satisfactory world view aren't enough for many religious people who choose to believe in something despite lack of any evidence; to the point where millions have perished in the name of religion alone. Don't assume I have no direct position and throw everything to a coin-toss, because you're very mistaken in your assumption.
I actually don't consider myself an atheist but the word comes closer than any other I'm aware of. Is there a label for somebody who doesn't want anything to do with any of it? I think there is, problem is I don't care enough to look for it.
Religion is such a waste. The greatest hoax ever perpetrated.