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When Christians can prove THEIR claims, I'll work to prove mine. It won't take as much work. When you prove yours you will also have proven Neptune, Zeus, Thor, Odin and the rest of those guys.
Notice the idiocy of this moron. The OP is not asking him to prove anything, but his narcissism compels him to share his worthless opinion while trolling my thread. But at least he admits he will not prove his claims, which I infer is because he cannot, proving the OP. As he admits to having nothing to add to this discussion, I trust he will keep his fingers on his keyboard still (or he will be banned).
OH! MY! GOD! I'm about to be banned! When I was , maybe, 14 that would have bothered me. To be banned by someone as adolescent as you isn't going to upset my stomach too bad. Ban away, child, ban away.
Huh? Right from the beginning you state: "The easiest way to shut up a brain dead atheist is simply to ask them to prove their claims." and then your first rebuttal is "Notice the idiocy of this moron. The OP is not asking him to prove anything"
You are delusional. Have you been handling too many snakes?
Dirty butt wipe, you do know a statement that atheists do not prove their claims is not asking one to prove anything, right? Wow. These mental midgets cannot even read standard English.
As long as you keep trolling atheists I'll keep reminding you of how ridiculous your religion is.
And besides, it's fun!
Here's a question for you: Do you adhere to and obey Mark 16:17–18? It's right there in the bible. You're not one of those half way Christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible they adhere to are you?
Surely you're a true believer in the word of God and live by the complete and literal scripture. Am I right?
No. We are saved by grace, through faith, & faith alone. The rules & laws just show you how sinful you are & how much grace God has to give. You should learn Christianity & then come back.
If you don't believe that logic, inquiry, deduction, experimentation, or observation have any objective value in yielding accurate information then this question is pointless because it will be impossible for you to accept any answer I give. If you do however believe that logic, inquiry, deduction, experimentation and observation are valuable in yielding accurate information then this question is pointless because we already agree on the answer to it.
Prove that you have a rational way to know truth from fiction
You clearly appreciate the word "rational" and its definition, as well as the words "truth" and "fiction". You used them in the question you posed. This makes answering very simple.
If fiction is something invented and untrue, and truth is something in accordance with fact, and rationality is that which is based upon or n accordance with logic, then knowing the difference between what is true and what is fiction is simply a matter of logical reasoning.
In short: By definition, logical reasoning is intrinsically rational. Thus, logic is my rational way of knowing truth from fiction.
To be honest, I think these questions, though they might seem deep and pertinent, are actually rather hollow. They answer themselves.
Youre the one who asserts god exists. All atheists are saying is "we dont believe you". Its on your ass to prove god exists. Not on us to prove that your imaginary friend is imaginary. God is an unfalsifiable concept anyways so its an impossible task
Did this fool just say atheists only claim they do not believe my claim God exists and then claim who has the burden of proof, that God is imaginary and that God is unfalsifiable?
Hey, pond scum, prove these three claims or prove the OP. Watch him run now.
We see no evidence of the Abrahamic god's existence, thus his existence is as irrelevant to us as the existence of Zeus, Hades, Hercules, Aminhotep, Anubis, Osiris, or any of the other hundreds of thousands of other gods for which there is no proof.
The onus is on you, the claimer of his existence, to show us evidence. It's not up to us to disprove the existence of an entity that you claim exists.
When you provide irrefutable evidence, then I'll believe you.
I like the way so many of them say "we think this, or we think that......" and then they claim they do not have group thoughts so they are not a religion.
They just love to feel like the leader by speaking for all the atheists.
Does the fact that you see or not see evidence for any proposition have any impact on its existence? Get some professional help with those delusions and that narcissism.
The fire of Hell is irrefutable evidence, and even then, sinners will not really believe in God. If you wake up in that fire, as it seems probable by your words and attitude, you will remember that you were told God created Hell for sinners who refuse to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just because chemicals fizz in your brain, it does not mean you are real, right? And you don't know the difference between right and wrong, so it doesn't matter what you say: there is no reason anybody should believe you since you don't know the truth.
Now you appeal to "morality" after you declared right and wrong are irrelevant? You are explaining your worldview eloquently....it's nonsensical. That's why you have to go on and on and on trying to explain your self-contradictory ideas.
You seem pretty inept at explaining your world view which is simply rebellion against God. Of course you can't admit your rebellion and think you are smart when you throw out a lot of gibberish pretending that your ability to complicate and obscure meaning proves you know it all.
You plainly stated that right or wrong are irrelevant. That means your character and opinions are irrelevant due to the your attitude which makes you untrustworthy.
People like you are not allowed on my property and are to be avoided in business. It's better if you keep your mouth shut regarding your messed up worldview. When people know you think right or wrong is irrelevant, they won't trust you in anything if they have half a brain.
Quote where I said right and wrong are irrelevant, and quote the argument I was responding to when I apparently said it.
I think you'll find that I didn't say what you think I said.
What I did in fact say (in response to the debate question "Is it possible that all of reality is proof of the existence of God, but something in you makes you unable to perceive, comprehend, understand and accept that truth?") was:
It's possible in the same way that it's possible for a flying-spaghetti-monster to be hiding behind the rings of Saturn weaving invisible spaghetti blankets when nobody is looking.
You are confusing what is physically possible with what is capable of being dreamt up in the human mind. It's physically impossible that there is a spaghetti monster behind Saturn. But the idea is entirely able to be concocted.
That's the difference between reality and fiction.
The human mind is capable of resolving logical tensions in illogical ways. For instance, there is a logical tension in the Christian mind about their belief in God, and the lack of evidence for his existence. Thus, they resolve, "you must simply have FAITH".
But I simply don't need it.
To which the debate poster resonded:
Could you be wrong about this because of something in you, skid mark? Run and be banned.
To which I responded:
I don't think "wrong"[in the moral sense] comes into it. Or "right"[in the moral sense] for that matter. I think that not only do you confuse what is physically possible with what is able to be dreamt up, you also confuse the idea of factual correctness with moral rightness.
It is factually correct that no evidence for God exists; it is factually correct that there is no spaghetti monster flying around Saturn. Morality is irrelevant therein.
IN OTHER WORDS, there are questions that do not require moral answers, and there are questions that do.
Mathematical equations, for instance, are neither morally "right" nor morally "wrong". They are frameworks applied to make sense of physical realities. Mathematical equations are by themselves an example of what we call "amoral", meaning that they are not concerned with moral rightness or moral wrongness. They are concerned only with FACTUAL correctness or FACTUAL incorrectness.
Tell me that you believe right is always right and wrong is always wrong or admit that you believe the concepts of right and wrong are irrelevant and open to interpretation according to feelings and circumstances of the individual or the society.
Getting an atheist to be honest about their beliefs these days is like pulling teeth. In the past, the gods of atheism like Nietzsche or some others I don't care to google the names of at least had the backbone to admit they believed in no moral standard and they believed life is ultimately worthless and meaningless. Modern phony education teaches kids today that if they can throw out red herrings and avoid admitting what they really believe, it makes them powerful and smart. Now we have a parade of fools who are for the most part incoherent while they spew a bunch of nonsense full of logical fallacies which somehow are declared to be laudable and not only an excuse but a demand for bad manners toward anybody who says they are wrong.
You're fighting a losing battle, the battle of a fool against God....you are only going against your own life and getting what you deserve for doing it. I hope you give it up and turn to God and get saved.
Morals are subjective. "Right is always right" is just semantic casuistry when we talk about morals. What you believe is morally right, is different from what i believe is morally right. Hence why we agree on nothing.
Facts are a different kettle of fish. A fact is always a fact. Factually correct, is always factually correct.
Thank you for admitting that you think right and wrong are indefinable and subjective to your own feelings. Too bad for you that you don't know the difference between right and wrong. You'll pervert goodness into evil and always wrestle with the consequences of your sin, and if you won't agree with God that right is right and you are wrong, your sin will take you into the fire of Hell and Jesus who you insist cannot be right will be your Judge after you rejected Him as your Savior.
"Morals are subjective. "Right is always right" is just semantic casuistry when we talk about morals."
In other words, right or wrong is irrelevant as it is believed to change whenever you feel it should change and being indefinable the concept of right and wrong is irrelevant........in your goofball worldview where death is your love and sin is your pleasure.
But this doesn't make any logical interpolation into my extraterrestrial neurons. Morals are literally a conceptual construct of the human mind. This doesn't mean they are bad or that we can't have well defined moral standards, it just means by their very nature they cannot be objective in the same way that gravity or matter is objective.
Being a fool who won't be told is your choice. You're on your way to Hell, fool. You want proof? I'm sure I can pray that God will give you proof of the reality of Hell and I'm sure He will answer that prayer. Shall I pray for you to get proof now?
Oh, so you are afraid that if I pray God give you proof of the reality of Hell, you will get it?
I take it you don't want me to pray that God give you proof of the reality of Hell. You're going to get proof of Hell's reality if I pray you get it quickly or not; but if you want I will be happy to pray that God quickly get you to believe Hell is real. What's it matter, your time is short anyways. Proof is coming, believe it or not. You will believe it soon.
Whatever your problem is, be it sodomy or just plain rebellion, it's between you and God and your problem, not mine. You don't have to explain yourself to me, and if you don't like me saying that you need to be saved from Hell and only God the Savior, (Jesus Christ who died for your sins and offers you forgiveness as He is risen from the dead) can save you if you will repent and believe on Him........
If you don't like the message I bring which never changes, I suggest you quit reading my material. I read next to none of your material because I know the bitterness you have and you spit it out on me when your problem has nothing to do with me. You need to get right with God before your day of reckoning; you will appear before Him in your sins or you will stand with your sins covered by the One who paid for them with His own life's blood...He will be your Savior and your sins washed away by His blood or He will be your judge with His blood trampled under your ungrateful feet....and if you think He has no right to rule over or against you and leave you frying, dying in the fire of Hell forever you are tragically mistaken and I feel sorry for you...but you can't expect me to give time to read your bitter words.
Something hurt you and you are trying to make yourself feel better and it's not working or you wouldn't be so nasty with me. I'm warning you of where you are going because I care about you and know of better things available for you in eternal life.
I'm wasting my time trying to speak God's peace to you, aren't I? You prefer the turmoil of your sins, don't you?
I said that's what atheism IS. Atheism's root is A-theos: "A" meaning "lacking or without" and "theos" meaning god or gods or the divine.
So atheisms most bare bones literal definition is [a person who] lacks god/lives without god.
Atheism doesnt assert any claims. Atheism is not "There IS no god" atheism is just a lack of god. A state of no religion.
The default when a person has no religion at all.
Now of course atheists themselves can go well beyond this in their own personal claims. Some do go the extra step to claim "there is no god" as a definitive statement because they feel that it is. I pretty much agree with this statement though i do recognize that it puts me in the position to defend it.
Which brings me to the next point about unfalsifiability. God is unfalsifiable. Therfore i could never meet the burden of proof for the statement "there is no god" .
But not being able to disprove god is not a strength of the god concept its a severe weakness.
God is unfalsifiable in that you cannot test anything empirically to prove his existence or not. If something is unfalsifiable then its another way of saying we cant do science on it. We cant observe god. We cant test god like measuring chemicals in a lab. There is no "essense of god" to measure using a meter in the atmosphere. There is just no way to ground "godliness" in empirical data.
And the only way we can prove things exist in reality and prove that things influence reality is if there is such data. otherwise...how do you know?
So i could never prove god doesnt exist. I have no starting point to even begin that task. But by the same token you cant prove he does exist either. Which renders god as a pretty weak concept in my personal opinion.
Arguing about him is like arguing about what color a unicorn's fur is. Its a pretty pointless argument if you cant establish unicorns as part of reality anyways.
I said that's what atheism IS. Atheism's root is A-theos: "A" meaning "lacking or without" and "theos" meaning god or gods or the divine.
I don't think it necessarily follows to conclude that the meaning of words does not change over time. I daresay atheism was much rarer back when the origins of the word came into fruition.
So atheisms most bare bones literal definition is [a person who] lacks god/lives without god.
I often see atheists making the "lack of belief" argument to try to force their opinion into a position of logic, but it is simply an appeal to semantics. When you say you "lack" belief in something then that is another way of saying you do not believe it. Atheists are not people who are open-minded to the existence of God. They are people who believe God does not exist.
Another way of playing with semantics is for me to point out that atheism is obviously the opposite of theism, and theists believe in God. Hence, atheists do not believe in God.
The default when a person has no religion at all.
It is not the default. The default is agnosticism. Whether you believe in God is a yes or no answer, and atheists make the mistake of answering. Agnostics do not answer, and hence their position remains logical.
"The easiest way to shut up a brain dead atheist is simply to ask them to prove their claims. If they cannot find it on Google, they simply run away."
"Easiest way" actually means you will do zero research to document your side so you're going to mock the other side of the issue when they do provide any sort of documentation.
"To shut up a brain dead atheist" is impossible because any living thing which is brain dead can not speak. If you are trying to shut up things that cannot speak then perhaps you are delusional.
"To ask them to prove their claims" can be flipped right around on you. Prove there is a God. Go on. Tell God to send a giant purple Jesus to tap dance on the evening news and declare he exists. Do it. Go on. If he's real he can do that.
"If they cannot find it on Google, they simply run away." And if you cannot find it on a right winger site you neither speak it nor think it.
And if you cannot find it on a right winger site you neither speak it nor think it.
It is fantastic that sites like Facebook and Twitter have launched initiatives to tackle this fake news coming from the far right. Their bullshit has been getting seriously out of hand ever since Pizzagate.
Personally, nine out of ten times I'd sooner speak to an atheist than a theist, but unfortunately I think there are big problems with atheism too. My main concern is that the ranks of atheists appear to be swelling up with idiots who, had they been born 300 years ago, would have been theists. In other words, they identify with the group more as a fashion statement, or because they've read a book, rather than because they have thought the matter through for themselves.
