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True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people

listen, in the bible, tv, history books, or online it has never mentioned jesus christ or allah or the budha ever declaring war. it has always been people. so why does everyone blame religion for what people do.if you say religion, not people, cause wars, then name one war that jesus or god or allah or christianity started. thanks

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7 points

True. People really need to start realizing that. Can't blame them though, it is kinda hard to blame yourself for something.

Side: True
6 points

Religion was used as a pretext for war. The main reasons were the usual ones - socioeconomic, greed, thirst for power and glory.

Side: True
3 points

Gandhi said it best that no one has ever tried living by true Christianity (I agree with this to the point that it means since the first century). Jesus taught love for neighbor and shunning of war and taught his followers to actually live by that. It's historically provable that the first century Christians did not join the army. If a man was in the army and became a Christian, he left the army as soon as he could.

So not all religions are a cause for war.

Religious differences only cause war when the teachings and/or practices apart from teachings are warlike in attitude, subject to greed.

The Pope would love to regain the secular power the church had in centuries past.

Side: True

This debate raises a good topic: Why the hell would god use the power of his word to tell us to kill a part of his creation?

Answer: It wouldnt

People cause wars, not god

Side: True
Dremorius(861) Disputed
4 points

1. God should of considered this.

2. If there was no religion, there would be no wars about religion. Derp.

Side: False
3 points

if people were smart they wouldnt fight about religion

Side: True
timber113(796) Disputed
2 points

Thats true but Im sure people would find other things to fight about.

Side: True
riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

You know, many people I've debated with on this topic make the distinction between God and religion. You however, seem to find then synonymous.

Side: False
Melanin(84) Disputed
2 points

Why the hell would god kill people?

Answer: God doesn't exist as in the bible.

Side: False
4 points

Jesus and Allah never declared wars because they would have to exist first to do so.

Side: True
Axmeister(4317) Disputed
2 points

How can you make such an assumption?

Side: False
Dremorius(861) Disputed
2 points

Religious wars such as the Crusades.

Oh yes, they would of definitely still happened if religion didn't exist because atheists do love to start wars about who disbelieves in God the most!

Oh wait, that never happens.

Side: True
4 points

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. Wars are brought upon mankind via human error. In other words, people kill people, people do harm to other people, not religion. Religion cannot be blamed for the errors of mankind. Religion cannot be blamed where humanity falls short.

Side: True
Emperor(1348) Disputed
2 points

Human error is a weak, nonthinking approach to it. Perhaps it was human error, but what error was it?

I would say that a lot of the time, that human error was religion.

Side: False
timber113(796) Disputed
3 points

You people need to stop blaming religion for everything. Its not your scapegoat. I suppose the Civil War in Syria is a religious war right now based on the way your acting.

Side: True
Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
2 points

Human error a weak, nonthinking approach to it?

You're full of shit Mackindale. Human error, human demise, the indifference of good man, these things are the problem. Human beings do dumb shit, they dont do dumb shit because of their religion, they do dumb shit because they're human and mankind is not perfect. Do not blame religion for what people do, the people are the problem. You blame religion for so much, you are complete bullshit and your logic is bullshit, if you continue to state that human error is religion. Fuck that noise and anything you say Mackindale.

Side: True

People made religion, which in turn caused wars.

It's never the "thing's" fault, it always leads back to humans....... "smart" humans......

Side: True
3 points

Like many people you fall into the trap of using the word religion when you should have said God - Religion is a man made idea and there are many religions. History is full of religious wars but I grant you they were created by man. God is Love and Peace, its what we have done that screwed up the world!!!

Side: True

Atheits might argue that religion is a tool that was used to justify war. In fact used by people. Were there no religion would there be justifications based on values and morality. If there was no morality no justifications would even be needed. In the end it is a matter of human nature. Religions and states do not cause wars, behind all of that are the people. They also have used these institutions for maintaining peace, but then decided not to.

Side: True
Melanin(84) Disputed
2 points

It's just a matter of semantics. It's like saying that faulty security systems don't cause people to escape. Well yeah, the people are the ones doing the escaping, but come on, don't get smart and or be difficult over words.

Side: False
2 points

Religion is harmless; people give it value and meaning.

Side: True
2 points

Both are wrong. Religious BELIEF has caused most wars. People cling onto it for dear life, and when their beliefs are threatened... They get violent.

Side: True
timber113(796) Disputed
2 points

Religious belief has caused MOST wars? Really where f your facts come from

Side: False
2 points

Misunderstandings arose due to disharmony between races and that was what started wars.

Side: True
1 point

Fools wake up to the wars in your homes,schools& work places; in your boroughs in your own cities, is everything to be blamed in the name of God or religion? Take accountability for your action and stop refusing the obvious that you are the blood thirsty one who runs blindly to shed innocent blood. Has not the Messiah told you what is the acceptable sacrifice? It is the word of God, it is Christ and nothing else will do. Be still and know God is God and not you, Give the word of God to self others and God! What is this word of God? It's justice and compassion and goodness and correction!

Side: True
1 point

If only been on this website and it amazes me what some people's beliefs are. It's called putting your differences behind you. Religion doesn't cause a war, it's the people who do. Religion might be the thing that there fights for but its the people.

Side: True
1 point

Religion is not a living being. It can't start wars. That's also like saying its guns that start war. No, it's the person behind the reason that starts the war. If this were just a world of reason and not people then there would be no wars because only people can start it. People also say it's the southern flag that the reason why there is war. Can to flags stand up and start a fist fight? No because flags aren't living beings. It's the person that starts the wars. All those things that I said like the flag, guns, and religion can be the reason for a war but they never started a war. That's when people can put there differences behind them. For example: people think religion caused the war between the world and ISIS. No it's the ISIS that started it. Not the religion. There religion is the reason but the religion never started the war.

Side: True

Completely false. Consider this: If religion never existed, no one would have ever started a war in the name of religion.

How many wars have been fought over religion? I'd imagine in the hundreds...

Side: False
Axmeister(4317) Disputed
2 points

"I'd imagine in the hundreds..."

The key word there is "imagine".

Side: True
1 point

You honestly believe that there has been 99 or less wars fought over religion?

Throughout all of history, just 99 or less? Try a google search for once.

Side: False
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
0 points

You obviously have a stronger imagination if you believe that there haven't been wars fought over religion...

Side: False
1 point

That may be their reason. But there are far more things that succumb war like land and power of the authorities. Man at those times desired power and wealth and would use any means to start a war, even making a petty excuse just to claim it. The religion did not cause the war, ti was the people`s decisions that made it happen.

Side: True
1 point

Without using the excuse of "religion" it would have been slightly more difficult or challenging to convince the population that this was a just war. By using the veil of religion as the "priority", they could more easily rally the population's support by claiming that they are operating on god's will. It's a very useful tool. It would still happen, but without it, it wouldn't be nearly as easy to start a war for land and power and such.

Side: False
4 points
Side: False
cod-pownage(126) Disputed
2 points

Wars caused by christians

Christians are people, which proves my point.

Side: True
Cuaroc(8839) Disputed
2 points

You said one war that jesus or god or allah or christianity started. and my above post showed wars started by Christianity.

Side: False
4 points

I can imagine one of the reason why these wars begins is because of the different religions views. The religions have several guidelines and these guidelines are sometimes causing a mess. Like when someone draw the prophet Mohamed some Muslims get really angry cause it's against there religion to do that. Another thing about religions is that you become a part of a group, and as a group you stand a lot stronger then a single person. So when someone draw Mohamed, the Muslims get angry because they know they can. When you insult or argue about a religion you insult a group of people. It's much easier to start a war when you're already a gathered group.

So does people start the wars or the religion? Well, a religion consist of a bunch of people, so people start the wars, but mostly of the time because of the religions guidelines/views, and the fact that they together as a group are able to start the war.

Side: False
4 points

I made debate a long time ago saying does religion cause war and people responded and answered and they said yes it does cause war here is a link of the debate i made

Supporting Evidence: My debate (www.createdebate.com)
Side: False
3 points

From the bible

(Joshua 11:6-15)

And the Lord said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid of them, for tomorrow at this time I will give over all of them, slain, to Israel. You shall hamstring their horses and burn their chariots with fire.” 7 So Joshua and all his warriors came suddenly against them by the waters of Merom and fell upon them. 8 And the Lord gave them into the hand of Israel, who struck them and chased them … until he left none remaining. 9 And Joshua did to them just as the Lord said to him: he hamstrung their horses and burned their chariots with fire … And they struck with the sword all who were in [Hazor], devoting them to destruction; there was none left that breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire. … And all the spoil of these cities and the livestock, the people of Israel took for their plunder. But every man they struck with the edge of the sword until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any who breathed. 15 Just as the Lord had commanded Moses his servant, so Moses commanded Joshua, and so Joshua did. He left nothing undone of all that the Lord had commanded Moses.

(Deuteronomy 7: 1-2)

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

(Deuteronomy 7 :16)

You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you

From the Qu'ran

Quran (2:191-193)

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:216)

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Any way the men and the religion are one and the same.

Side: False
Aquita(19) Disputed
3 points

Religion has never caused a war. Religion is not a moving breathing entity. It is nothing more than a body of philosophies and ideologies. Wars are cause by men. Sometimes they are done in the name of Religion. There are those few times when men have truly felt in their hearts that it was required of them based on their religious teachings. Most times simple misinterpretations can account for that. More often than not, however, men seek to wage war in the name of religion not because they are religious or felt forced to in order to prove themselves Godly but simply because it can be a tool to control the masses. A cause to rally around. Especially given that of the billion people who are Christians on this earth. Less than half have probably read the Bible from the first page to the last or have sought to critically analyse the bible allowing room for incorrect translations and interpretations over the years or for reason and logic and humanity. They hardly ever approach the bible in a holistic manner. They take what they want to take from the bible and leave out the aspects of it that are inconvenient for them. People who are anti gay because the Bible states in Deuteronomy that homosexuality is an abomination might want to temper their self-righteous indignation with the fact that lying, fornication, adultery, laziness, and not honoring your father and mother are all described using the word "abomination". Those who are against masturbation or preventive birth control will cite the lord Killing Onan for "spilling his seed." But they seem to forget that in Biblical days when A man's brother died that it was his duty, providing that he was unmarried, to marry her and produce an heir but Onan resenting that the child would not be considered his own spilled his seed. How is that related to war. It isn't. It is a case in point of people plucking specific verses from the bible to suit their purposes.

You have done something very similar by taking all of these verses without ever searching for a backdrop or context to it simply to prove your point. I didn't even have to turn to my bible. I just googled the thing!

Before you actually get to Joshua 11:6-15 you have Joshua 11: 1-6

1 And it came to pass, when Jabin king of Hazor had heard those things, that he sent to Jobab king of Madon, and to the king of Shimron, and to the king of Achshaph,

2 And to the kings that were on the north of the mountains, and of the plains south of Chinneroth, and in the valley, and in the borders of Dor on the west,

3 And to the Canaanite on the east and on the west, and to the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Jebusite in the mountains, and to the Hivite under Hermon in the land of Mizpeh.

4 And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude, with horses and chariots very many.

5 And when all these kings were met together, they came and pitched together at the waters of Merom, to fight against Israel.

6 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Be not afraid because of them: for to morrow about this time will I deliver them up all slain before Israel: thou shalt hough their horses, and burn their chariots with fire.

After Deuteronomy 7:16 you have Deuteronomy 7:4

4 “For 1they will turn your 2sons away from 3following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and aHe will quickly destroy you.

I did not have to look very far for an inkling of an explanation to the above mentioned verses. And if you were actually to read the Bible you are so ready to condemn you'd know that as long as the children of Israel were not in danger then the "Lord" let all the other nations around them be whether they worshiped him or not and blessed them for at least respecting that they were his chosen people.

Hell, I would raise hell if i Knew people wanted to hurt my Children for no reason.

Who is accountable for WWI AND WWII? For Napoleon's Wars? For Alexander the Great? For General Petraeus? or Should I say the United States? The Civil War? The American Revolutionary War? The War in Libya? Some of those I would definitely say were justifiable but they were not caused by Religion!

I can't comment too much as to the Qua ran. I Have not actually finished reading it.

Side: True
ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
4 points

Religion has never caused a war. Religion is not a moving breathing entity.

A religion is a collection of people with the same ideals, a people that follow a set of rules and as I've pointed out rules that have commanded war.

You have done something very similar by taking all of these verses without ever searching for a backdrop or context to it simply to prove your point.

I have simply pointed out that the bible shows that war was called for.

I did not have to look very far for an inkling of an explanation to the above mentioned verses. And if you were actually to read the Bible you are so ready to condemn you'd know that as long as the children of Israel were not in danger then the "Lord" let all the other nations around them be whether they worshiped him or not and blessed them for at least respecting that they were his chosen people.

I have read the bible, and I do know of the context of the verses, the issue is that these situations happened at all, God is all-everything, and his thirst for blood is basically infinite as well, he has called for slaying of first born, genocide, holy war, and a global flood that mindlessly slaughtered millions if not billions of living entities, including again children.

Hell, I would raise hell if i Knew people wanted to hurt my Children for no reason

The very fact they are in danger is God's doing and the fact that there is a chosen people is ridiculous.

Who is accountable for WWI AND WWII? For Napoleon's Wars? For Alexander the Great? For General Petraeus? or Should I say the United States? The Civil War? The American Revolutionary War? The War in Libya?

I'm sure they have their separate histories and many complex causes. Religion is a tool like any other, it can be used to condemn and condone the same actions based on one's interpretation of scriptures.

Side: False
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
1 point

You are quoting the Old Testament, and Christians do not live by Jewish law. Jesus fulfilled the Law and brought teachings of peace and love for neighbor. The first century Christians lived by his teachings, shunning war and violence.

It was not until after all the original apostles of Christ died that true Christianity became tainted with outside teachings and became warlike.

True Christians today do not take part in war.

Here's an example:

WW1 and 2 found "Christians" fighting to wipe out their spiritual brethren, Protestant and Catholic, in other countries over nationality--because the government and their false religious leaders said they should do that. They betrayed their God for nationality.

True Christians did not take part in any wars because that would mean at the most, killing their spiritual brothers, and the least killing their "neighbor", a teaching going against the true God and Jesus Christ.

Side: True
ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
1 point

You are quoting the Old Testament, and Christians do not live by Jewish law. Jesus fulfilled the Law and brought teachings of peace and love for neighbor. The first century Christians lived by his teachings, shunning war and violence.

That's all lovely, but are you saying God was wrong?

It was not until after all the original apostles of Christ died that true Christianity became tainted with outside teachings and became warlike.

It was probably when growing numbers meant Constantine started to take it seriously.

True Christians today do not take part in war.

Well that depends on what one terms a true Christian, although I do agree with the sentiment, if one is to be a true Christian then they should follow to the letter everything Jesus said, if they deviate even slightly then they are not true Christians, right?

a teaching going against the true God and Jesus Christ.

I would like you to confirm for me a few things if you don't mind.

1 Is the Old Testament trustworthy?

2 If Christians do not live by Jewish law, does that mean that the ten commandments and all other OT decrees are null and void?

3 If the Jewish laws are not what God wanted in the end, why did he make his "chosen" people, a people that he helped out of many a scrap, a people that through the OT/Torah he warned not to follow false Gods and prophets by pain of eternal damnation, have to completely switch to a new set of laws taught by a man? (Surely Jesus must have been an affront to their centuries old teachings)

Side: False
3 points

Consider the following:

If there was no religion, would there not be no wars about religion?

Side: False
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
2 points

If there was no religion, there may not be wars over religion, but there would still be wars, caused by the same thing--greed and thirst for power.

Side: True
Dremorius(861) Disputed
2 points

Doesn't that already happen?

Oh look, Atheists are at fighting each other again for who disbelieves in God the most!

Oh wait, that never happens.

No religion= less reasons for people to go at war.

Less reasons for people to go at war= less wars.

Understand this logic?

Side: False
NivaZimel(135) Clarified
2 points

If there were no religions, there might not be wars about religion, but there would still be wars.

Wars are due to GREED. Religion is only the secondary issue.

Side: True
Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

We are not talking about Greed wars.

Greed already exists.

Wars for Greed are already happening.

But removing religious wars will at least give us NO secondary issue.

Side: True
3 points

Someone's been up-voting all the people that said false. Good man!

Side: False
1 point

Well, people started religions, then because people decided to go to war over religion. Saying it was only people is about as much bull as saying "Guns don't kill, people do." Well, if it weren't for the fucking guns, people wouldn't have been shot. And, if there were no religions, fascism, racism, hundreds of wars and disputes that have occurred through out mankind, would not ave occurred. Yes, people kill other people, but those people were prompted, inspired by religion. So false, religion has been responsible for, over the course of humanity, billions of deaths.

Put that in your cross and smoke it.

Side: False
timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

Saying it was only people is about as much bull as saying "Guns don't kill, people do."

Guns don't just get up and shoot people. Blaming inanimate objects for the actions of people is very irrational. Blaming the ideas of something for the actions of people is equally irrational. People can choose to pick up guns and shoot them and me being a racist or fascist cannot rob me of my choice to be violent.

Side: True
Melanin(84) Disputed
1 point

Well yes, all religions don't kill people, but people holding the ideas that DO kill people do. I don't see a difference between saying "people believing that it's right or just to kill XYZ killed them" and "people killed XYZ"

Side: False
1 point

The way I see it, religion has. Religion exists within the people. It doesn't exist by itself. If no one believes in the things listed under religions and it's not talked about, it's nothing but an idea. (for example, I write about the belief that pill bottles can eat and call it pillbotism, it doesn't really exist as a religion though). When people say religion doesn't cause it, they usually are trying to back a stance that people can still believe in religion and it doesn't kill people. Sure, it depends on the religion though. If a religion involves killing, their same stance doesn't stand.

Side: False
1 point

It's probably false!Religion is one of the reason why war still exist. All people have different religion it means to have different view for everything. They couldn't find a compromission. That's why they fight with each other.

Side: False
1 point

In my view this is completely wrong statement.If there was no any misunderstanding between religious there were no any war.

Side: False

The people represented those Religions so Religion was the main motivation.

Side: False