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Trump charged with impeachment count

Donald Trump is facing a historic second impeachment after Democrats in the House of Representatives formally charged him with one count of “incitement of insurrection” over the Capitol Hill riot.

Five people died in the attack last week, including a police officer, which Trump prompted when he told supporters to “fight like hell” in his attempt to overturn election defeat by Joe Biden. Emerging video footage has revealed just how close the mob came to a potentially deadly confrontation with members of Congress.

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But Mein Fuhrer

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Trump is a cunt apart from impeachment charges other charges should follow the cunt should be in jail over his handling of the Covid crisis it’s astonishing when one sees the amount of idiots that constantly run to defend him

I’m delighted to see that business owners globally are lining up to stop doing business with his various companies if the cunt is impeached all the perks including his salary go , the idiot does not seem to realise he’s actually costing him and his family lost money in revenue

The federal criminal code (18 USC 373) makes it a crime to solicit, command, induce or “endeavor to persuade” another person to commit a felony that includes the threat or use of physical force. Simply put, it is a crime to persuade another person, or a mob of several thousand, to commit a violent felony.

I put the FCC in for Amarel because it’s so important to him so he can construct a wall of absolute bullshit that no doubt will claim all charges are invalid and give an explanation couched in what’s commonly known as “Amarel speak” .....which means pure bullshit

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Amarel(5282) Clarified
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That was pretty small quote from the code there Jody. But at least you didn't pull it from sedition haha.

You forgot the element of intent, which must be met for prosecution. It's going to be hard to claim that Trump's firey but vague language (as most of his rhetoric is) was intended to induce others to commit violent felonies. Especially when he literally said to go make your voices heard "peacefully and patriotically". That's going to give him deniability of intent, even if it's a lie.

Also a problem for prosecution would be that same vagueness. Brandenburg V Ohio says that incitement of violence in general at an indefinite future point is legal. So when Trump gets people generally fired up to be violent, but then says let's go over there right now and be peaceful, you have no criminal case. Even if he just said it to cover his ass.

Side: Facts
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You forgot the element of intent, which must be met for prosecution.

And as you have no doubt heard, intent is notoriously difficult to prove.

Unless of course there happens to be a full written record of the exact things you have said, and a physical record of how people have reacted to it. Then it becomes much easier to prove. When you specifically tell your followers to march on the Capitol building and "fight like hell" to overturn the certification of the election results, and then they all turn up at the Capitol building and do just that, then it isn't all that difficult to demonstrate what your intent was. Especially when it follows a complete exhausting of the legal process.

Side: But Mein Fuhrer
Jody(1483) Disputed
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That was pretty small quote from the code there Jody. But at least you didn't pull it from sedition haha.

Can you ever go even one post without making a sneering jab?

There’s more than one quote as well you know but as you rush around asking everyone to do their own research on guns and don’t be so lazy you then accuse others of being lazy when they won’t do your research for you on Trump ...There’s a name for that ☺️

You forgot the element of intent, which must be met for prosecution. It's going to be hard to claim that Trump's firey but vague language (as most of his rhetoric is) was intended to induce others to commit violent felonies.

I think it quiet easy to prove intent he also had Ivanka and his son deleting Tweets and FB remarks of incriminating commentary between them they consistently called those engaging in criminality “patriots”

“ stop the steal “ is not incitement as rioters storm a building .....give me a break

Especially when he literally said to go make your voices heard "peacefully and patriotically". That's going to give him deniability of intent, even if it's a lie.

In mid-December, Trump tweeted, “It’s statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!” Trump exhorted his supporters to ”stop the steal,” shortly before they launched their attack. He commanded the crowd, ”Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.” He made it clear: “If they do the wrong thing, we should never, ever forget that they did. Never forget.” Near the end of his address, Trump went on to remind his supporters, “The radical left knows exactly what they were doing. They are ruthless and it’s time that somebody did something about it.”

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Also a problem for prosecution would be that same vagueness. Brandenburg V Ohio says that incitement of violence in general at an indefinite future point is legal. So when Trump gets people generally fired up to be violent, but then says let's go over there right now and be peaceful, you have no criminal case. Even if he just said it to cover his ass

I’m convinced if individuals like you saw an individual lying dead in a room and Trump standing over them with a knife you would claim “ it was a tragic suicide “ and maybe award Trump a few million for defamation of character

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Side: But Mein Fuhrer
Mongele(70) Clarified
1 point

Well said Jody.

We're all paying the price for four years of Trumpism.

Let's hope banJo can pull us back from the abyss

Side: Facts
1 point

Thanks 👌 Very strange times indeed what’s going on in America is like some bizarre tv reality show , the inauguration will be interesting

Side: Facts
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I'm sure Trump's Orange prison dungarees will tone in well with his glowing Tangerine complexion and Strawberry blonde hair.

''This imPeachment attempt is disgraceful,---disgraceful,---- disgraceful''.

WHAT A FRUIT SALAD.

Side: But Mein Fuhrer