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That COULD be somewhat true ... but I don't know ANY far-right group that opposes another far-right group! They may have a slight variation In ideology and tactic, but, a far-right group, by any other name ........ ;-)
That COULD be somewhat true ... but I don't know ANY far-right group that opposes another far-right group!
Me neither. Right wingers in America, generally speaking, aren't particularly violent or nuts like the left. Have you noticed that Republican areas aren't the areas on fire? I've noticed it too... Your eyes work just like mine, eh Al?
ANYTHING anti-fascist is a good thing. Too bad they wouldn't organize into a legitimate organization and become a "movement"! We have SOOO many fascists in the NEW Washington Swamp we need to get rid of! That takes leadership. They should find a leader, become multi-racial ... white people hate fascists too! Give out membership cards like the NRA! (I've cut that one up, a fascist runs it now. :-)
ANTIFA are openly Communists. Communists literally created Fascism.
Giovanni Gentile (30 May 1875–15 April 1944) was an Italian philosopher, politician[1] and an educator known as the "Philosopher of Fascism." He contributed to the rise of Italian fascism and was the ghostwriter of Benito Mussolini's essay, The Doctrine of Fascism. He was influenced by Karl Marx, Engels and Friedrich Nietzsche among others. Under Il Duce, Gentile became the Minister of Public Education and started a reform of Italian edcuation.
ANTIFA are openly Communists. Communists literally created Fascism.
Hello bront:
Yawn... Lemme see.. Anti fascism means fascism. Fascists are communists. Nazis have socialist in their name, so they're communist too.. Everybody knows, the Democrats are communists..
Yawn.... Dude! Step away from the FOX News.. It's rotting your brain.
Yawn... Lemme see.. Anti fascism means fascism. Fascists are communists. Nazis have socialist in their name, so they're communist too.. Everybody knows, the Democrats are communists..
And the irony is that, if you study history, this is EXACTLY what the fascists were actually like. Constantly working to make black seem like white and up seem like down.
If you attack liberals in a liberal city, burn down said city, and have no Conservatives present, you are a Fascist, not because of lebels but rather, because of what you are DOING.
Fascists are communists.
A Communist created Fascism. Jesus Christ dude. Do I need to start checking you for a pulse?
Nazis have socialist in their name, so they're communist too..
Dude, you just implied above that ANTIFA is antifascist because their name says antifascist. Now you reject that the title National Socialist means right wing Capitalist? What is wrong with you?
Everybody knows, the Democrats are communists..
Many are. Many aren't. That's why the party looks like a roller coaster that has flown off the tracks. You have two incompatable ideologies fighting for control of one party.
Yawn.... Dude! Step away from the FOX News.. It's rotting your brain.
Have you ever actually studied left wing media??? They are a daily compilation of contradictory narratives in comparison to their past narratives.
You might literally be the most stupid person who has ever lived. I'm not exaggerating or trolling. I've known you for what now, 4-5 years? That's long enough to form an opinion about it.
You might literally be the most stupid person who has ever lived. I'm not exaggerating or trolling. I've known you for what now, 4-5 years? That's long enough to form an opinion about it.
I'm game. Explain to us how an apostle of Marx and other idealists is called "the father of Fascism" by the left, and the right, but is not the father of Fascism or a disciple of idealists.
No, you explain to us how writing an essay about Karl Marx at university makes somebody a Communist, let alone an "apostle of Marx". You're literally just a retard who spends his life loading language with utterly absurd premises with no basis in factual reality.
Mussolini and Gentile were both murdered by Communists for being fascists. That's factual reality.
Really, Bronto. Who actually cares about one man's (Gentile's) philosophy over the majority of the world's philosophy?? I will admit, communists WERE anti-fascist, as was the most of the world. Most of the world was NOT communist, still isn't. Anything anti-fascist is NOT necessarily communist, STILL! Geovanni can keep his opinion, Karl Marx can keep HIS. Today is today and America needs NONE of that crap! WE DO need anti-fascism cause it's breathing down our necks AGAIN! :-(And it's emanating from our own WHITE HOUSE)!
They aren't anti-fascists; they embody fascism. They use brownshirt tactics to intimidate and silence those they disagree with through violence. Assault & battery, vandalism and arson are the order of the day with this group.
They use brownshirt tactics ... Oh, you mean like the no-name militarists around the White House that drove off the legal citizens?? The ICE guys that break down doors or abduct people off the streets?? THose "Brown Shirt" tactics?? The assault and battery, the illegal imprisonment? The removal of children from their mothers?? THOSE Brown Shirt" tactics?? Those that disagree with ALL that stuff?? Wel;l, I guess you can call ME ANTIFA! I'm white, but, I haven't seen anything that says ... Because you're white you can't be anti-fascist! (As most Democrats are ... and anti-communist too! ;-)
But, but, THOSE are the tactics Antifa is objecting to! The right MUST be so confused! I KNOW EXACTLY what I am "ANTI", it's ANTI-TRUMP, ANTI HITLER, ANTI-FASCIST, ANTI-COMMUNIST! No confusion THERE! :-)
Why? Have you ever actually sat down and read what Communism is all about? I mean, I'd imagine that must be very difficult when you live in a country which spent half a century in a propaganda war against Communism.
The fact of the matter is that anti-Communists (i.e. fascists and other elements of the extreme right) have managed to completely misrepresent Communism to the American people in much the same way that they have misrepresented fascism (i.e. trying to link it to socialism/Communism). The information you have been given about Communism is compromised or I truly doubt you would ever claim to be anti-Communist.
I lived through the Berlin wall, from beginning to end, I lived through Stalin, Kruschev, the Cold War, the Korean War, Mao, and seemingly a dozen other communist leaders. NO. I do NOT like or admire ... IN ANY WAY, COMMUNISM! You can doubt your own sanity if you think differently!
I lived through the Berlin wall, from beginning to end, I lived through Stalin, Kruschev, the Cold War, the Korean War, Mao, and seemingly a dozen other communist leaders.
I understand Alfie, but you are mistaken that these leaders were Communist leaders because all of them contradicted that philosophy in their policy decisions. For Christ's sake, the irony is just palpable because the entire basis of Communist theory is that there is no leader. These men you list are opportunists who took advantage of political unrest to acquire and consolidate power for themselves in much the same way that Hitler and Mussolini did. It is very easy to pretend to be something you are not in politics in order to tap into the zeitgeist and win votes for yourself. You've seen Trump do it, so is it that much of a stretch to consider that Stalin and Mao may have done it?
Antifa is a fascist group, period. Their actions speak for themselves. No amount of yelling and foot stomping is going to change that. Now, go clean up your room!
Fascism is a political belief structure you utterly pig stupid little twat. It has nothing to do with actions. If you don't know the difference between fascism and violence then why are you even here? Idiot.
Christ, people like you wind me up so much because you're just SO STUPID. There is no fact which you will not try to turn upside down like the fucking IDIOT you are. In your INSANE world, where being violent to fascists make you a fascist, all our fallen war heroes were fascists for being violent to Hitler.
No amount of yelling and foot stomping is going to change that.
No amount of false statements about Antifa are going to stop you being a fascist. You are attacking an anti-fascist group with the bizarre accusation that they are fascists. Hitler's big lie. I don't see Antifa using Hitler's big lie. I see you using it. Period.
The accusations of fascists does not make Antifa the anti-fascist group, fascist. No. Shut your idiot mouth please. You're dumber than a box of pancakes and more dishonest than Hitler.
The problem with your vile brand of fascism is that your propaganda is just so outrageous. You are too busy trying to copy the Nazis to think for yourselves. If you morons came along and said something like, "Antifa has good intentions, but they don't always check their information thoroughly and can become unnecessarily violent" you might actually win some hearts and minds. But you're just so spectacularly INSANE that you come right out and insist they are the precise OPPOSITE of what they actually are: an anti-fascist group.
If you morons came along and said something like, "Antifa has good intentions, but they don't always check their information thoroughly and can become unnecessarily violent" you might actually win some hearts and minds.
Who wants hearts and minds when anyone can pick them off from rooftops like roaches? Of course they never actually leave the confines of left wing government cover, so that won't be a problem.
But you're just so spectacularly INSANE that you come right out and insist they are the precise OPPOSITE of what they actually are: an anti-fascist group.
Oh, you're confused Nom. Ya see, when the Republican Party has no right wing, para military group running around in masks attacking people and torching buildings, and the left does, that makes ANTIFA the brown shirts unopposed, burning down churches and attacking dissent and sometimes just random people. Just like the Nazis.
Who wants hearts and minds when anyone can pick them off from rooftops like roaches?
Also you, thirty minutes ago:-
The right doesn't produce psychopaths like the left does.
Nothing more even needs to be said.
I agree with you fully. If the brown shirts march into OKC, they'll be met by right wing anti-Fascists. Of course, you always have the right to pick off Nazis attempting to burn down churches. It's like healthcare. It's a right. Plus we aren't organized, nor do we officially have a leader, so I guess you have no point.
I can't. It's an "OUR" room and my wife keeps it SO clean that I can't find anything TO clean, so, that gives me nothing to do but argue with you crazies on CD. ;-)
You're just literally a fucking idiot. Antifa doesn't even have a leader and the grounding principle of fascism is autocracy. Shut your stupid fucking face you contemptibly dishonest tit.
The thing is, when the extreme right compares and conflates Nazism with Communism it is almost believable because there are notable similarities between the Stalinist, Maoist structures you mentioned earlier and the Hitler regime in Germany. But this system has nothing to do with Communism and/or socialism. It's state capitalism. Rich, private corporations are given preferential treatment by the state and permitted to monopolise the market in exchange for a slice of the pie. In fact, if you want to fraction it down even further we can just call Hitlerism/Stalinism/Maoism corruption. That's essentially what it is. It's a situation where the state conspires with rich private capital owners to dominate and control the market economy. And that is exactly what is going on in America.
That has ALWAYS been my position, still is. I simply believe we NEED "regulated capitalism", as we had in the '50s / '60s where they "paid their fair share" and STILL got rich. Where the people had a voice (through unions) and had a MUCH better economy than Rump's "great economy". We didn't have every working-age member of a family struggling to pay the mortgage, the food, the gas, the education .... ONE WORKER COULD DO IT! They could even put some in the bank for a rainy day! THAT was a good economy, and it doesn't look a THING like Rump's!
I might add that the "socialism" of the time also helped! Highways were built, schools and universities were built, snow and garbage were removed and the poor were fed, medicated and educated! Nothing was 100%, but, we were working on it ... socially!NOBODY under 50 has much knowledge of a "good economy" except when they are TOLD ... "This is a good economy"! Conservatively speaking, ..... CRAP!
I simply believe we NEED "regulated capitalism", as we had in the '50s / '60s
Hello Al:
I remember those times.. A bread winner could ACTUALLY support his family.. Your doctor lived in your neighborhood, and you could afford his services.. And, oh yeah.. He made house calls too. State college was free. The GI bill virtually educated the populace and guaranteed they could own a home..
Yes, the rich were taxed. But, we built airports, damns, highways, and railroads.. The rich didn't become super rich.. In fact we only had a few super rich..
I remember those times.. A bread winner could ACTUALLY support his family.. Your doctor lived in your neighborhood, and you could afford his services..
That was when the dollar was still backed by gold instead of thin air.
Your problem is that time never stands still, and neither does capitalism.
That has ALWAYS been my position, still is. I simply believe we NEED "regulated capitalism"
Just listen to what you are saying. If capitalism needs to be regulated then obviously it isn't working like it is supposed to. A band aid is not going to cure cancer. It's probably not even going to slow it down.
Capitalism is a system which creates economic profit from human labour, the overwhelming majority of which is never seen by the labourer. Hence, capitalism is a system for which human exploitation is a critical function. If you remove or regulate that function then capitalism can no longer produce the same level of economic profit.
What I am saying is, we have to RID ourselves of a capitalist "SYSTEM" and make democracy "THE SYSTEM", while USING capitalism AND socialism as tools to make the democracy work FOR ALL. You can't do that by letting EITHER TOOL get out of control. We NEED trade, we NEED incentive, we NEED health care, we NEED profits to support the democratic government, build roads, hospitals AND the families, etc.. Just listen to what I am saying!?? ;-)
What I am saying is, we have to RID ourselves of a capitalist "SYSTEM" and make democracy "THE SYSTEM"
That would be great, and I would agree with you, but first you have a major problem to overcome. Since the system IS capitalist, most of the information in circulation is propaganda manufactured to justify and legitimise that system. Hence, how can you have democracy? If people are walking around being dominated by their own prejudice and ignorance, then how can that be a democratic system? That's a propaganda system.
They don't have to have a leader to embrace fascism
Are you literally fucking stupid?
Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9]
You're just literally a fucking idiot. Antifa doesn't even have a leader
Which is tactical and in their handbook as a defense mechanism against being labeled a terrorist group. They have a symbol, are organized, wear the same style outfits, and have even been sued by a gay, liberal, Asian journalist as an entity.
Ahahaha! If they don't have a leader then they can't be fascists. Period. You're a stupid idiot and everything you say is stupid and false.
You, half an hour ago: "The right wing doesn't generally produce psychopaths like the left does."
The facts:-
From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such (terrorist) killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists.
You, half an hour ago: "The right wing doesn't generally produce psychopaths like the left does."
The facts:-
From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such (terrorist) killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists.
I just proved that the mafia did not have a leader and you said it is impossible to organise unless you have a leader to organise you. Therefore, I have debunked your false claim. Therefore, shut your stupid fucking mouth.
I just proved that the mafia did not have a leader and you said it is impossible to organise unless you have a leader to organise you. Therefore, I have debunked your false claim. Therefore, shut your stupid fucking mouth.
The Mafia had a leader and 5 families of leaders. Put the helmet on Nom. Your head is getting too much CO2... Call the climate change alarmists from the 50s who said we had 5 years to live.
They have a home headquarters in Portland, Oregon, and the Portland Mayor called police off while they took over the city. Clearly they are an organization with leadership in Portland, Oregon.
Oh, they have an address where you can contact them? That settles it then. Definitely must have a leader. I mean, it isn't as if everybody in America lives at an address where there is no leader. Heavens no.
You're just laughable. I honestly think you are under 15 and you just pretend to be an adult. No adults act like you do. Nobody I have ever met anyway. You tell lies like the seven year old who lived opposite me did in the 1980s.
Oh, they have an address where you can contact them? That settles it then. Definitely must have a leader. I mean, it isn't as if everybody in America lives at an address where there is no leader. Heavens no.
Cool. The people using you for target practice won't have a leader either.
Isn't it interesting that your definition of a terrorist group means none of your lone wolf examples of "right wing terrorism" are actually terrorism. No leader...
Your link is a joke and I'm not even clicking it for fear it contains some kind of Nazi virus.
I clicked it for you. It was about Jeremy Corbyn, and some guy was holding up a sign against Corbyn and antisemitism. Weird the only people you think are Nazis are people who love Jews, and the only people you think aren't Nazis hate Jews. Excellent work there Orwell.
Cool. So it had absolutely no relevance as a means of supporting your false claim about Antifa having a leader. Why am I not surprised.
You don't need to "have a leader" to be terrorists. Your own link states that most "right wing terrorists" are "lone wolfs". So ANTIFA are terrorists. Glad I could clear that up for you.
They use brownshirt tactics to intimidate and silence those they disagree with through violence.
Your fascist propaganda is just outrageously stupid. By the same logic the allies embodied fascism and "brownshirt tactics" during the second world war, and to a much greater extent than Antifa. You are a pathetic extreme far right rodent who is trying to conflate fascism, a political belief, with violence, a course of action humans have taken for as long as there have been humans.
Indeed, the man who fought the Fascists is a Fascist. That's how messed up in the head you stupid dickheads are. Open a book and stop being a pathetic dipshit. You sound dumber than a box of dog shit.
Your country has to protect Churchill statues from the left.
Your country is trying to regurgitate fascism, as evidenced by the fact that nowhere does your link mention "the left". You literally made that part up because you're an absurd fascist dickhead.
Too bad they wouldn't organize into a legitimate organization and become a "movement"!
Yes. A much larger group of white privileged rich kids who shoot 3 of each other with no right wingers present is definitely needed. Let's create that.
Whatever organisation, such as the United Nations which is no more than a toothless tiger declares should be taken with a dose of salts.
For a kick-off the name is an oxymoron, they are not a body of ''United Nations''.
Whether ANTIFA is a united group of terrorists or a loosely knit collection of subversive misfits they have a command structure and conspire as a union to carry out terrorist activities against the state.
Maybe the United Nations have redefined the classification of a terrorist organisation.
Whether ANTIFA is a united group of terrorists or a loosely knit collection of subversive misfits they have a command structure and conspire as a union to carry out terrorist activities against the state.
Yeah, the French Resistance did the same thing, only they were much more extreme. They blew the fascists up rather than beat them up. You'd have hated those guys.
The anti-fascist fascists are anti-establishment anarchists who use brownshirt tactics to disrupt peaceful gatherings thru violence to silence and intimidate law-abiding citizens. Why the UN supports this is beyond me, but they just prove how irrelevant and anti US they've become.
I honestly just have to gawp in amazement at the sheer stupidity of the accusations which come out of the mouths of idiots like you. How exactly can someone be an anti-fascist fascist? If someone is anti-fascist they stand against fascism so stop raping your own language and shut your mouth.
