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Unions?

From News of the Weird:

 

Alan Rosenfeld, 64, a New York City lawyer and real estate entrepreneur with 12 properties, is also a schoolteacher, though he hasn't been in a classroom since 2002. He's one of those Rubber Room teachers, whose contract calls for full salary and benefits even though the chancellor thinks he's a sexual menace to his female students (proven only once, with wrist-slap punishment). Rosenfeld's salary is $100,000 a year plus health care plus retirement benefits (that would, if he retired today, get him $82,000 a year). New York Post

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This is a typical example opf the hasty generalization fallacy. I don't particlularly liek trade unions but it's legitimate for workers of the same industry to unite and fight for their causes - just like any other group.

Side: legitimate
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Unions:

monopolize by creating uncompetitive labor markets by restricting the available jobs and entry, so they can weed out unwanted entrants. AFL-CIO, NFL and MLB Unions perfect examples.

Majority rules unions to where all decisions are made by one person.

Lazy workers create no incentives so hard workers are discouraged, and makes others causes violence because they look bad.

Contract-go on strike if even the smallest details are not met.

Dues-must pay yearly fee just to be part of the union

Side: Bad
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Do you like the 40 hour work week? Unions.

Minimum wage? Unions.

Overtime pay? Unions

Safety standards? Unions

Prohibiting child labor? Unions.

Prohibiting wage differences based on sex? Unions.

Prohibiting job discrimination based on race, color, national origin, sex or religion? Unions.

Unions? Hell Yeah.

Side: Good
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Union Seniority based systems:

• Add to the loyalty of workers

• Removes subjectivity in promotions or lateral transfers

• Allows employees know where they can stand for better performance

• Allows employees to bid and seek on the area they are most productive at

• Offers equal opportunity for all staff

• Encourages collaboration instead of competition

• Lowers turnover rates

• Have long term members are more aware of organization specific issues

• Honda is proof in concept as their entire system is based on seniority

• Seniority is very important in Congress. Under the seniority system, committee chairmanships and other influential positions are decided on the basis of how long a member has been in Congress

• 1964 civil rights act contained the seniority system funded war on Poverty and since then poverty has greatly decreased

• Senior employees are more predictable and reliable.

Side: Good

Unions are bad for America because they protect the worker, for they are protecting themselves from competition from the global labor marketplace, which limits and excludes eager applicants of entry. Minimum wage protects the unions. Plus, they are safe havens for guys like ALAN.

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Giving a sex-offender-cum-school-teacher a pension?!? That is when it is getting absurd. The first duty should be to justice, then to the law, then to their stupid little organizations.

Hey, look at that, I'm supporting you.

Side: Bad

When are Unions going to stop? What is going on? Unions are unfair.

Side: Bad
hmicciche(660) Disputed
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"the chancellor thinks he's a sexual menace"

It takes more than that to be a sex offender. Sex offenders are criminals and treated accordingly. No union can require a school district to pay a salary to a guy in jail.

Side: Good
hmicciche(660) Disputed
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"they did not protect the worker"

They are pretecting this guy pretty well!

Side: Good
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The union that is protecting this scumbag is just one of reasons that are wrong with unions. Yes, unions do protect the worker. Tell me how precisely that unions do not protect the worker? This is why unions are created.

EDIT: I mistyped on the top argument that they do not protect the worker.

Side: Bad