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This picture depicts the economic structure of "capitalism" as being static. In capitalism your economic level is not static, it is almost always changing, for better or for worse.
Here is why... Suppose we start with your 'ideal capitalist libertarian Paradise' People are doing business, competition is tight, prices are average, people are suffering from exposure and scurvy (okay not always suffering from exposure and scurvy). Overall, things are not too bad. Then this guy comes in, he has very good ideas about his telecommunications company, his company grows and grows and buys some smaller telecommunications companies. Another man does the same, and before you know it, there are two main telecommunications companies. The two companies start pumping money into the government, "lubricating officials" to get rid of any anti- monopoly legislation. The corporations gain more and more power, and the people almost become paralyzed. The strange thing is, this is happening in every industry and soon our 'happy libertarian Paradise' turns into a fascist nightmare.
Exactly as it is, more or less. The bottom ones are pretty much slaves. To make it not look so bad some of those occasionally get lots of money so they can "rise" up, and so others wouldn't start rebelling by showing that they too "have a chance" to get up there. Also that you one can earn a lot by working a lot (actually, you can't, getting rich has nothing to do with working a lot). It's idiotic, the entire capitalism.
Then some of you wonder why I have a problem with current ways, why I state the fact that money is negative to human progress. Honestly, pull your heads out of your asses and view the world, not the walls of your shithole.
Yes!!! Of course and I love this pic. by the way. The top 1% has control of the world and our future. The other 99% is looked at as a science experiment.
Most jobs are taken. People dont have enough money for education. So jobs wont hire them. Poor peoplw arent lazy. If a job is given to them they will be grateful for it. When one gets rich many become poor. Poor people compose of at least 85% or more of America's population.
Can you provide evidence against it? There have been rallies and protests for people in the 90%. If it wasnt for that and the news capitalizing on that years ago I would be saying what you are saying. But as of now the stats are probrably rising and the percentage is dropping below 80% or maybe not. This is just data from a few years ago. I'll double check so I can validate yours or my arguement.
Surely the statistics are crazy. But naturally the poor cant do much to help themselves because they are in a deep hole. Jobs wont hire them and naturally one might not be able imagine what it would be like unless they live or lived in that situation. It is a dream for most businesses to have a monopoly and dominate. Their goals are to get as much money as possible.
When I did my studies on 10-15% is actually in poverty. At least 85% arent rich is what I meant. So basically 85% may make 150,000 a year or less. Let me double check my work.
I never said "poverty" did I? I said poor. Which means the poor class of americans. Which means people who arent rich. Only about 15-20% are in poverty. The rest arent. But they arent rich. Poor means the poor class. Dont put words in my mouth that i never spoke of. Poor people can still live a normal life. They just are called the poor class.
Average household income is something like 24 thousand a year. Feel free to look it up.
Even with a income of 50 thousand, your likly to be in debt if you get a house, a car, an uncovered operation, and your savings won't be much but a few thousand at most if you have a family.
The poor in the USA live better off than most of the people on the planet. Almost all of our poor people have a car, TV set, electricity, running water, a decent place to live, etc. Why do you think that is? Because capitalism provides for our poor through our taxation of the well off.
Its that way because of imperialism, it is percisly because the other laborers in other parts of the world are poor, that american workers are allowed to be a little less poor. The fact remains that dispite the ability to be massivly in debt for most of their lifes and thus enjoy some comforts, that most of the world is dependent on others, that they don't own capital or at least not much and that their lively hood is pretty unstable.
bullshit! i dont care what ignorant thing you think 85% of americans are not poor even the americans ate ARE poor wouldnt be considered to be such by the standards of much of the world jackoff
Just because they might have cable, doesn't mean that they are independent, or have capital, or a retirment plan, or can survive on savings for a year, etc.
No, this is not true. The rich don't actually get richer and the poor don't actually get poorer, it is simply where you draw the line...and there are more than one line. They move the "poor" line to a higher income level and move the "rich" line to a lower income level. It makes the divide look bigger yet there is really little change in wealth distribution!
If you look at the stats, you'll see that income growth for the lower incomes has stayed about the same recently, while for the higher and for those which make money off of investments it has skyrocketed.