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Pro 2nd Amendment Pro Red Flag Laws
Debate Score:13
Arguments:19
Total Votes:33
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 Pro 2nd Amendment (9)
 
 Pro Red Flag Laws (5)

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Virgnia is under state of emergency.

Virginias governor is trying to enact red flag laws to disarm the citizens of Virginia. And pro gun groups are planning and currently protesting the 2nd amendment. The state has been under a state of emergency since the 16th of this month. What do you think would happen given the facts of the United States past history with those that try to oppress the peoples rights?

Will there be a overthrow, a civil war, a riot on the steps of the states capitol? 

Must I remind you that the 2nd amendment was really directed for militias. 

https://www.salon.com/2020/01/16/state-of-emergency-high-tension-in-virginia-as-right-wing-gun-fanatics-descend-on-richmond/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-governor-declares-state-emergency-militia-threats-gun/story?id=68299433

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/virginia-gun-rights-rally.html

Pro 2nd Amendment

Side Score: 9
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Pro Red Flag Laws

Side Score: 4
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Virgnia is under state of emergency.

Hello Nate:

Uhhh, the governor did that because he can't tell the difference between white supremacists, and 2nd Amendment supporters..

He's the guy who thinks wearing blackface is cool, after all.

excon

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
Chinaman(2380) Clarified
1 point

Democrat what you got to say about 2A Rally in Virginia now. Did the DNC Media hype not work out for ya.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
1 point

Most gun owners are law abiding, decent citizens who wish to exercise their constitutional right to own a lawfully licenced firearm.

There is little, if any doubt that if the state governor tries to forcibly confiscate their legal weapons there will be, at best, bloody and deadly resistance, or at worst a protracted, savage and irreconcilable civil war.

The choice is the governors.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment

Agreed. . Nothing to dispute.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
-1 points

Most gun owners are law abiding, decent citizens

Most Nazis were law abiding too. That doesn't make Nazism a good thing.

Or wait. You do think Nazism was a good thing, don't you?

Side: Pro Red Flag Laws
-1 points

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Not of the militia. Even though, at the time, the militia was made up of the people. It says, right there in black and white, "the right of the people". Your argument that the second amendment only applies to militias is indefensible if you're going to be intellectually honest with yourself because it literally states the exact opposite of what you think it says, in plain english. But! My favorite part is how it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know what that means?

It means that the 2nd amendment doesn't give me the right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment acknowledges the right to keep and bear arms as an inherent human right, and guarantees that the government won't interfere with that. Of course, we all know how well that's going.

And they say people who watch Fox News are brainwashed. Buddy, steer away from Salon once in a while. I read them for entertainment but that is not a credible fucking source.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
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Not of the militia.

I don't care what your 300 year old legislation says. We have 300 year old legislation in the UK which makes it legal to shoot Welshmen to death with a bow and arrow.

Side: Pro Red Flag Laws
-4 points
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To be clear, it is a living document.

It can be changed.

That does not fucking mean that just because an article you find inconvenient happens to include the word "militia" then you can rearrange the words to pretend the document says whatever the hell you want.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
1 point

With the thousands of Americans being killed every year, maybe that civil war would actually REDUCE the deaths over a period of years! With over 70% of the American people WANTING tighter (fair) gun laws … who do you think the military is going to side with?? It would be over … the major part of it, quickly! Some of the real nuts would fight on, but the battle would already be lost …. and the resultant laws would be MUCH more stringent than they would if those NUTS had been reasonable to begin with! We'd ALL likely lose our guns then! Wise up! R-E-S-O-N-A-B-L-E gun regulations will save MANY more lives, and allow many more guns …. than a civil war would! :-)

Side: Pro Red Flag Laws
BurritoLunch(3087) Clarified
1 point

We'd ALL likely lose our guns then!

That's a good thing. Imagine a gun as a bit like the Ring Of Power. It might make you feel safe and warm, but somewhere far away Lord Sauron is laughing at you.

The damage the legalisation of guns has done to American society is mind-boggling, and I think only becomes apparent when you are on the outside looking in.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
Chinaman(2380) Clarified
1 point

Brit in your feeble mind do you think that an American citizen does not have the right to protect their home and themselves.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
Chinaman(2380) Clarified
0 points

Democrat tell me all about how the R-E-S-O-N-A-B-L-E gun regulations are working out there in Baltimore. You got a answer fool.

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment
TheDevil(1) Disputed
-1 points

... Again with this.

I might write out a long explanation of all of the reasons you're incorrect, but I have a feeling that would be a waste of time for all involved. That said:

1) I'd like to see a citation of your "70% of Americans want tighter gun laws" claim,

2) If you think that the military is going to confiscate firearms from American citizens then you clearly never served in the military, and

3) Most of all, if I'm not wasting my time and you want an actual conversation, please define what "R-E-A-S-O-N-A-B-L-E"gun laws are, how they will keep guns out of the hands of criminals instead of just law abiding citizens, and why I have any reason to believe that it's not just another stepping stone toward total confiscation and you won't be back next week to whine about how we need even more laws that you mislabel as common sense.

Because the way I see it, your demands are far from reasonable. You want my guns for terrible reasons and offer nothing in return. I'm telling you no. And you're whining about it based seemingly on misplaced fear of an inanimate object and the apparent belief that you're entitled to take my shit. And I'm the unreasonable nut?

Side: Pro 2nd Amendment