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Viruses don't exist

Biological viruses that cause disease don't exist. They have never existed in the past, don't exist in the present and won't exist in the future either.

Viruses don't exist

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Viruses do exist

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Viruses don't exist. The medical establishments have fooled us for the last 100 years. Stefan Lanka, who is a virologist, has recently won a court case that proves that viruses are a hoax.

Side: Viruses don't exist
daver(1771) Clarified
3 points

Your reporting skills could bring you employment at

CNN

Side: Viruses don't exist
Atrag(5666) Disputed
2 points

The judge that decided that case is 100% clear that that was not his opinion. Please educate yourself before making such absurd statements.

http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2017/01/disappointing-outcome-of-bardens-vs-lanka-measles-proven-to-exist-but-anti-vaxxer-lanka-keeps-his-money/

Side: Viruses do exist
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WinstonC - To win a high court case the judge has to agree with the defendant. You can't win if the judge doesn't agree. Thus, it wasn't simply a case of the virus not existing because Lanka didn't think the evidence was convincing. You are misrepresenting how the court system works. Note - The low court judges are usually highly prejudiced in favour of quick and speedy outcomes which are establishment biased. Going to court is a very bad idea with something of this complexity and specialized knowledge is required. I have worked in an electron microscope laboratory and have never seen a virus. This is because - (a) they don't exist (b) you couldn't photograph them if they did exist. (c) to photograph something in an electron microscope you have to know where that something is first.

Note - How did the first person to see a virus and know that it was a virus? Without any reference material of what a virus looks like, then finding one would be impossible.

A virus is an illogical thing. It is not alive, yet it can reproduce. This is too fantastic to be true. Only a fool would believe that such a thing was possible.

Disease is more rationally explained through bad diet. Grain, sugar and dairy are unnatural to humans and cause all types of disease and problems. I don't eat any of these three items and I never get sick, have headaches, stomach pains, chest pains or nausea. Prior to going on this diet, I used to get constant flu, headaches and chest pains.

Leaking gut syndrome is caused by grain foods. Gut bacteria leak into the blood stream and make you sick. This is the main cause of disease. Thus, bacteria is a secondary phase of the disease process. Bad diet is the primary cause.

Side: Viruses don't exist
4 points

That really is superb news.

It's a diabolical shame that, for instance, the 375,000 people who die each year from the flu virus didn't know this fabulous news.

Phew, we can all breathe easy now in the knowledge that there will be no more illnesses, fatal or otherwise from viral infections.

Hallelujah brother, hallelujah.

Side: Viruses do exist
3 points

I did the simplest of research: I googled "Stefan Lanka virus" and found that the case pertained only to the existence of the measles virus(Source 1). This already demonstrates that the alleged evidence would only apply to a singular virus, but the case didn't even give evidence for this. A German doctor had given evidence (six scientific papers) for a viral cause of measles and the court ordered Lanka to pay the doctor his due (Source 2). However after Lanka appealed a higher court ruled that he was free to judge whether any evidence sent in "was good enough in his opinion" (Source 1). As such, the only proof this court case gives that the measles virus doesn't exist is that the evidence that it does exist didn't sufficiently persuade Lanka personally.

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(1) http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2017/01/disappointing-outcome-of-bardens-vs-lanka-measles-proven-to-exist-but-anti-vaxxer-lanka-keeps-his-money/

(2) http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/ la-fi-mh-a-vaccine-denier-20150320-column.html

Side: Viruses do exist
2 points

Viruses existed in 10,000 B.C., when the overarching medical establishment did not exist. Therefore, I believe that viruses are not a hoax.

Side: Viruses do exist
Akhenaten(13) Disputed
1 point

In 10,000 B.C., they didn't have any electron microscopes. Note - Viruses can only be seen on electron microscopes. If you are quoting from the Bible, then this is not scientific evidence.

Side: Viruses don't exist
1 point

You don't need to see with the naked human eye to know something exists. We can't see many heavenly bodies but we know they exist. For example distant galaxies, stars, asteroids, black holes, etc.

Just as there is other ways to prove viruses exist. For example in GMO, genetically modified organisms they use viruses to change the DNA. According to Bill Nye's book Evolution undeniable. In a process called transduction.

Supporting Evidence: Transduction genetic modification. (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Viruses do exist
1 point

In 10, 000 B.C. , They didn't have any electron microscopes. Thus, you don't have a valid argument.

Side: Viruses do exist
1 point

There is other ways to tell before the electron microscope was available. For example written and oral records telling of mass death mostly from smallpox. Genetic markers proving smallpox existed back then.

1491 by Charles C Mann is a book that really proves the effect of smallpox and thus viruses in general. We need to establish herd immunity to the flu and covid-19 via vaccines.

Side: Viruses don't exist

Viruses exist just look at all the covid-19 deaths, the 1918 flu, measles, smallpox, and many more. About one million deaths in the United States alone, about 200k were vaccine preventable.

Side: Viruses do exist