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W. Wilson's War

I have done great research on this man and I believe he was the cause of WWII and he interfeared with WWI.

He was the cause

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He wasn't

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Wilson got the US into WWI. His excuse, a ship filled with US citizens was destroyed on it's way to Britain.

The German government sent a news article to the press in the US saying "Do not board British ships."

Wilson told the people to not worry about it and it was just war propaganda.

He believed it wasn't, He let over 50 US citizens aboard a British Cruise ship that was headed to Britain itself.

Knowing! That ALL ships by Britain were being used to transport Warfare materials.

He did not let any of the crew members know.

The ship of course was blown up by the Germans and the US people were furious.

Wilson Declared war on Germany.

The Allies defeated the Axis (Germany, Serbia).

All the countries BLAMED Germany for the cause of WWI when they were not.

Cause of the war: A Austrian-Hungary man killed the Serbian Archduke Ferdinand. Serbia made allies with Germany and then Serbia declared war on A-H. A-H was friends with Russia, France, Britain, the usual Ally countries.

Germany was just a country helping out another country that had their Archduke Murdered.

The reason Germany was blamed is because they conquered the most land out of all the countries.

There was a Treaty offered by the Allies if the Germans stopped fighting and it was excepted. The Treaty said that they would just leave the Germans alone.

The Germans were lied to, it was no treaty the rules in the Treaty were changed greatly and the Germans had no say in it, the Germans were forced to pay over 50 billion dollars for war damages, which crushed its economy.

The Treaty of Versailles allowed other countries to steal land from Germany even land that they owned before the war started. Wilson being the #1 man writing it.

Now this is the cause of WWII.

If that Treaty was never altered and Land was taken, there actually wouldn't be any excuse for Hitler to start WWII.

WWII was all about Germany trying to recover it's land from the countries that stole it from them AND the hate crimes on German foreigners in Poland; which occurred between WWI and WWII.

Then the US and Britain interfering with a war that has NOTHING to do with them brought us into a shithole.

That war was mainly between France and Poland, minority of the Little countries around Germany.

Hitler and the German people NEVER wanted to take over the world he just wanted Central Europe.

Not Britain or the US.

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This is why I state that "President" Woodrow Wilson was the Cause of WWII.

He was probably the worst President the US has ever had.

Side: He was the cause
Conro(767) Disputed
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Wilson got the US into WWI. His excuse, a ship filled with US citizens was destroyed on it's way to Britain.

The German government sent a news article to the press in the US saying "Do not board British ships."

And sending a "warning" to the citizens of the U.S. like they did (i.e. that they would blow up any ships that were going to Britain/trading with Britain) wasn't really a threat? It most certainly was. That's provocation if anything seeing as America was a neutral country and it would be violating international war/peace agreements if American civilians were killed. Also there were 128 Americans, not just 50.

And that only caused the entrance of the U.S. to WWI and didn't cause WWI itself.

A Austrian-Hungary man killed the Serbian Archduke Ferdinand. Serbia made allies with Germany and then Serbia declared war on A-H. A-H was friends with Russia, France, Britain, the usual Ally countries.

Germany was just a country helping out another country that had their Archduke Murdered.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by a Serbian nationalist. Austria-Hungary was upset because he was the heir to the throne. They had already made a secret treaty with Germany and Germany made a secret treaty with the old Ottoman Empire. Russia had allied itself with Serbia and France, and Britain had made an entente between Russia and France. Therefore, when Austria declared war on Serbia, all the rest were bound by their treaties to also go to war, creating this huge conflict. That's what started WWI

At the Treaty of Versailles, Woodrow Wilson was very willing to present his Fourteen Points, but the monarchies of France and Britain wanted retribution. Wilson would have liked to have followed his Fourteen Points (as the Germans also wanted), but he sacrificed to many Points in order to have his League of Nations. Perhaps you should blame France and Britain for wanting to have so much vengeance.

He was probably the worst President the US has ever had.

I disagree. I think he was one of the best: tried his hardest to keep the U.S. out of war, despite the antagonizing Germans; good economic policies; wanted to have peace; and tried to create the League of Nations as a source for global peace. Sounds pretty good to me. However, I agree that he should not have sacrificed so many of his Points in order to get the League of Nations. Perhaps he indirectly inspired WWII, but I think the imperialistic, vengeance-inspired tactics of Britain and France deserve more of the blame.

Side: He wasn't
Sulith(508) Disputed
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Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by a Serbian nationalist. Austria-Hungary was upset because he was the heir to the throne.

Excuse me I got the countries mixed up I was typing fast and was working.

Side: He was the cause
Sulith(508) Disputed
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The Versailles Treaty was written by France, Britain, and Wilson.

Otherwise they CREATED Hitler.

Also, the Versailles Treaty made it so Germany could no longer have a monarchy, which was a HUGE mistake.

Italy had a monarchy, you know a king and queen, and during WWII when Mussolini went wayyy to far the King stripped him of his rank and then he was killed by the people.

Their was no Monarchy in Germany to strip Hitler's power.

Wilson was the one who said that Germany could NOT have a monarchy.

Their are many reasons he is responsible for the war as is France and Britain.

Side: He was the cause
Warlin(1212) Disputed
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Wilson got the US into WWI. His excuse, a ship filled with US citizens was destroyed on it's way to Britain.

It was a combination of stunts that Germany was pulling, including the infamous Zimmermann Telegram. I think mainly the reason the Zimmermann Telegram mattered so much was just because it was insulting that Germany had the audacity to even consider such a bold proposal.

Secondly, the Sussex Pledge was supposed to restrict that unrestricted marine warfare. After Germany promised to stop, later they reinstated their their unrestricted marine warfare. You don't break promises and expect to not have consequences. I don't know if they just sort of fell into a bunch of bad moves or if they were doing them intentionally, but Germany made a lot of shit moves in regard to trying to keep America out of the war.

Also, fun thing about the Lusitania:

"She had aboard 4,200 cases of cartridges, but they were cartridges for small arms, packed in separate cases... they certainly do not come under the classification of ammunition. The United States authorities would not permit us to carry ammunition, classified as such by the military authorities, on a passenger liner. For years we have been sending small-arms cartridges abroad on the Lusitania."—New York Times, 10 May 1915

Finally, the USA had more trade with the Allied Powers(Mainly Britain and France) than they did with the Central Powers. This, combined with Germany's bold actions towards America sort of put the country into a rage. They provoked the USA.

ALL OF THAT BEING SAID...

Germany really shouldn't have been blamed for starting the war, but there were rising tensions all the way up to the war, many countries allied with each other to protect themselves against other countries, and France had already been angry at Germany for a territory dispute from before World War I. France had always been an aggressive country.

A lot of why the war started was because of Nationalism, and large European powers

Now. What the fuck does this have to do with Wilson? Well, that's the thing. Most of WWI doesn't really involve Wilson. So why would he be a factor for WWII? There's nothing that directly links Wilson to WWII at all. However, Britain and mostly France should be blamed for sewing the seeds of WWII. They were aggressive and wanted much more money than Germany could have possibly given them. That was the plan. They wanted to keep Germany poor and out of sight so that Germany couldn't be a threat.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussex_pledge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War

Supporting Evidence: Zimmermann Telegram (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: He wasn't
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

The Versailles Treaty was written by France, Britain, and Wilson.

Otherwise they CREATED Hitler.

Also, the Versailles Treaty made it so Germany could no longer have a monarchy, which was a HUGE mistake.

Italy had a monarchy, you know a king and queen, and during WWII when Mussolini went wayyy to far the King stripped him of his rank and then he was killed by the people.

Their was no Monarchy in Germany to strip Hitler's power.

Wilson was the one who said that Germany could NOT have a monarchy.

Their are many reasons he is responsible for the war as is France and Britain.

Side: He was the cause
3 points

First, some definitions:

the: I won't elaborate on this. The (from what I understand) denotes specificity. He was a cause, not the cause.

cause: This word simply means to bring about an effect.

Onto the arguments:

Wilson was not the cause of the war, he was a cause, but causation is much larger in other areas. It is most likely more accurate to say America was the cause. It is always easy to blame the president, but the entire nation is the reason for Ally victory (as their numbers helped prevent exhaustion that the Germans felt). Further, other events had a great causation effect. These events are much closer to the source and much farther from the ideals that Wilson actually had of the war.

Treaty of Versailles

I would have to say this is the most influential reason for the second World War, and quite far from what Wilson wanted. Through his fourteen points, Wilson hoped to end war forever, but his ideas were rejected by the European community that had been ravaged by the war. They did not like the idea of leaving Germany alone. They were abhorred and wanted to simply blame the Germans. If there is a cause of the war, it is not Wilson: the poor treatment of the Germans was.

Closing

Sure, Wilson was most definitely a cause of the war, but so was so many other nations and leaders. Pushing the blame for the second war on Wilson is like pushing the blame on the Germans for the First. Both are simply bad ideas.

Side: He was and everyone else

No, I don't think Wilson was responsible for WW2. While "The Treaty of Versailles"

is used by many as a reason for the 2nd war, to justify poor innocent Germany's behavior. That reasoning fails on many levels.

The worst blunder Wilson made was signing the law establishing The Federal Reserve, which could justifiably be labeled an act of Treason.

Side: He wasn't
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

That reasoning fails on many levels.

Many levels?

Really? I'm interested! Tell me?

Side: He was the cause