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Was Jesus Crucified?

Good Day to Reader..

 

My First Claim here is that Jesus was not crucified for which surly i will give you proof from bible and from logic and from history... Inshallah may Allah Guides us to Right path.

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1 point

One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jesus had died and allowed for the shedding of his blood for the sake of granting forgiveness to people. In other words Jesus had died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins.

so My first Argument is Jesus was not willing for any Crucifiation Nor Did he wanted he was was scared and afraid of being crucifed... which is my first argument that jesus was not willing to die for anyone's sin.

Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus Christ before the elders of the people and the chief priests came to take him to crucify him. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26:38 "Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me." Then Jesus went a little further way from them and prayed to God as in Matthew 26:39 "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

It is very clear from the above verse in Matthew 26:39 that Jesus had no intention of dying. In this verse it is shown that Jesus was praying strongly (Matthew mentions that Jesus repeated these prayer three time) to have this death removed from him. Had Jesus Christ been sent to be crucified he would not have hesitated to be killed at all. When I relate this to my Christian brothers, they tell me that this hesitation comes from the flesh side of him (in other words he was tempted), and that his soul which is godly does not have this hesitation at all. When we look at Matthew 26:38 we see that Jesus is contradicting this idea by saying, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." (Matthew 26:38). He himself says that it really his soul that is hesitating and not his body. These are Jesus's Own words according to Bible

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Jesus still willingly went to the cross and died. He said multiple times that He was there to fulfill the desires of His Father and that He does them perfectly. If He was God, which is what the Bible claims, which is the source that gives us this account, is true, then He was willing and able to go to the cross and die. He had never in his life been separated from His Father spiritually; never had He borne the punishment of God. There is nothing wrong with this and Jesus still would have gone to the cross for it.

Side: Yes
loopseye(30) Disputed
1 point

@lolzors93

Brother Firstly this argument is without any Evidence.. I have stated everything very clearly ..

Firstly Jesus was not willing as you read above!

Secondly This is Unjust in The Kingdom of God that someone dies to redeem someone else's Sin! Its Pure Unjust!

Side: No
trumpet_guy(503) Clarified
1 point

Jesus was 100% man as well as 100% God. Jeuss soul was sorrowful becsuse of Tue immense pain his body would have to go through. Your argument has no real evidence, and is based upon your beliefs. You disbelieve because you yourself would never to go to the cross. That is the extent of your argument. Well....you aren't Jesus. He did go to the cross and died even though he went through extreme amounts if pain. God had for knowledge of these events which is why his soul hurt and not his body, his 100% god part knew what was going to happen to his 100% man.

Side: No
loopseye(30) Disputed
1 point

Thanks for your reply brother... would you like to debate with me if jesus died on cross or not???

IF He is GOD Him self and He is Man Himself that means in Matthew 26:38-39 he is praying to himself? is that a logical argument brother?

I can goto Cross 100 times for Truth Man Not even once for a lie!

you are telling Man part of Jesus was praying to God part of him and then according to

Hebrews 5:7 means that his God part accepted his own prayer and jesus did not die on cross right?though its phony !

Side: Yes
1 point

Now.. we see the response of GOD.. Did God Responded to JESUS'S PRAYERS???

After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by God according to Hebrews 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared." These words clearly show that when Jesus was praying strongly to God, God would grant him his request. The word "heard in that he feared" (Hebrews 5:7) mean that God granted him what he requested. So the above verse shows that when Jesus asked of God to "let this cup pass from" (Matthew 26:39) him, God respond to his prayer and saved him from death or crucifiction

Side: No
1 point

Please read The Following Link so you can get to know about the sign of Jonah!

Supporting Evidence: WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH??? (debateislam.createdebate.com)
Side: No
1 point

When the people were asking Jesus Christ if he was going to show them a sign, He replied by saying that the only sign that they should expect is the sign of Jonas. Jesus also made sure to specify what exactly this sign was. The details are shown in the following verses:

What was the Sign of Jonah?Click to Read

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus here emphasized what will happen to him by specifically saying that he will be like Jonas in terms of the number of days and nights he will be in the heart of the earth, " For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

Side: No
1 point

Now let us see if this prophecy came to pass. .

Jesus was crucified on Friday, this is certainly known among all Christians, and that is the reason for calling that Friday by "Good Friday". Jesus was buried on Friday night. Now let us start counting: :

1.Friday night Jesus was buried. This is night number 1. .

2.Saturday day Jesus was still in the grave. This is day number 1. .

3.Saturday night Jesus was still in the grave. This is night number 2. .

Mary Magdalene, very early in the morning before sun rise and after the Sabbath (Saturday), went to the see Jesus, and he was not there.

The following verses relate this event: :

Mark 16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

Mark 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

Mark 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

The number of days and nights that Jesus had spent in the heart of the earth is 1 day and 2 nights.

This clearly challenges what Jesus had prophesied.

When I tell this to my Christian brothers, some of them responded by saying that what Jesus wanted to really say was that he will be gone for a while, and not that he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

This is clearly not the case. Had Jesus meant that, he would have said it, but it is clear that he wanted the people to know that this was a sign (miracle) and that it will be like Joans' sign,

and

that he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. These were his own words.

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

First, one has to realize that those who wrote about Jesus' death and the Jews, both enemies and friends, of the time all recognized that Jesus died and then rose on the third day. The question is how this could happen, not that it did happen.

There are so many answers to this. One is that the Jews considered part of a day to be a full day, which was why He was crucified at the end Friday, then the Sabbath came, then He rose on Sunday: "The Jews, as we do today, counted a partial day or night as being a day or night" (First citation). Another one was that there were two Sabbaths that week. The second website states that the correct translation should read with two Sabbaths in Matthew 28:1 -- "After the Sabbaths [plural], towards the dawn of the day following the Sabbaths [plural], Mary, the Magdalene, and the other Mary, came to examine the tomb." Continued from that, the day of preparation for the Passover, which Jesus and His disciples ate the night of His betrayal was always on the fourteenth of the month, which means that it wasn't always on the regular Sabbath Day; we find that the Gospels also record Jesus being crucified on the preparation day. However, "[t]hese holy days carried the same rules used for the weekly Sabbath days; thus, they were also referred to as Sabbath days even though they might not actually fall on the seventh day of the week" (First citation). Thus, we find that there were two Sabbaths, one of the Holy Convocation, and another was the regular weekly Sabbath. He was crucified on Thursday, the day of preparation, next day was the Holy Convocation and Special Sabbath, then came the regular Sabbath, finally allowing for Jesus to raise on Sunday. Pick which one you want.

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2006/01-11c.htm

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/length-jesus-time-tomb-proves-he-was-messiah/

Side: Yes
loopseye(30) Disputed
1 point

THEN WHY 2200,000,000,000 CHRISTIANS ARE CELEBRATING

GOOD FRIDAY????

IF IT WAS THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAY THEN WHY PEOPLE SAY THAT HE WAS CURCIFIED ON FRIDAY??

secondly there are many historical records which have stated that JESUS DID NOT DIE! I can find them and state here if required but there are more things going wrong here

Side: No
1 point

According to the Christian doctrine,

Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. The idea here is that every human is born with sins, or that all humans will sin, and therefore it was necessary that someone as pure as Jesus would be the crucified to nullify these sins.

The question is; why does anyone have to die for our sins when God, the All-Merciful, could as easily give us forgiveness if we ask for it?

Isn't God the one who makes the rules? Why does He have to make someone suffer for our sins or for someone else's sins? Isn't that unjust of Him? According to the Bible the way to redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice.

The Bible says: :

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Clearly the soul that sins shall die. Clearly that no one shall bear the iniquity (sins) of others. So Jesus cannot bear the sins of others either. If one is righteous then it shall be upon him, and if one commits a sin then it shall be upon him, and not on Jesus. Finally, the way to repentance and forgiveness is by turning from all sins, doing what is right, and keeping the commandments

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
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The question is; why does anyone have to die for our sins when God, the All-Merciful, could as easily give us forgiveness if we ask for it?

If God is just, then someone has to pay for the debts that have accumulated from man's sin. It is unjust for God to simply say that we are forgiven without any way of making amends.

Isn't God the one who makes the rules? Why does He have to make someone suffer for our sins or for someone else's sins? Isn't that unjust of Him? According to the Bible the way to redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice.

So why does the God of the Old Testament tell His people to make sacrifices? God orders sacrifices all the time, including Abraham to sacrifice his own son, who believed that God would provide a sacrifice in the end, which He did!

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

The verses that you are citing are all civic laws, meaning that we are not to put to death a child for his father sinning. If you want verses that show God's view of the thing, outside of civic affairs, then turn to Isaiah 14:21, Jeremiah 16:10-11, Exodus 20:5, Deuteronomy 5:9, etc.

Side: Yes
loopseye(30) Disputed
1 point

Brother you are making God Look Cruel which He is not!

It is like you are telling that

a student was absent for two days

so teacher tells him that write a sorry letter and along with that "Take This 10$ and give it to me as Fine"

is that logical brother? If God is BOSS There Up Do He has to Justify to Himself that I should have or have not taken a sacrifice as redeem of sins

First GOD Created JESUS

then

Took Back as Redeem of Sin??

so whats the use to put Jesus through pain?

isnt that Unmerciful?

but Indeed God is oft-forgiving and merciful

"Their flesh and blood dies not reach Allah but your fear of Him (intention) (tawqa) does reach Him." (22:37)

if you fear God with true intention and repent to him will he still ask for a sacrifice??

NO!

and as you have stated is a Great Example of GOD's BEING MERCIFUL!!!!

He tested Abraham(peace be upon him) by asking him that Sacrifice your Son

but at very moment God Provided him with sacrifice Him self!!!

WHY??????

COZ GOD DO NOT WANTS TO GIVE PAIN TO ISMAEEL FOR HIS WISH AND PLEASURE

YOU ARE MAKING GOD SOUND LIKE SADIST Man!

Side: No
1 point

Also we see the same message given by Solomon.

He says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." This is the whole message, and this is the conclusion of messages. It is that one should fear God, and keep the commandments, and nothing else. .

Again in 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." This clearly states that to seek forgiveness from God we have to humble ourselves, pray and seek God, and turn away from wickedness. .

Finally the Bible says in Samuel 15:22 "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."

This clearly states that obeying God is better that sacrifice whether this sacrifice is of objects, animals, or humans, or any other type.

What God likes is for us to heed and obey Him, and if that is what God likes then it is not of Him to come later and change his mind, and change his ways. God says in the Holy Quran, "Verily God is All-Knowing, All-Wise" (Ch 9: Vr 28)

Side: No
1 point

Now that we have seen this,

Christians say that Jesus has changed some of these laws. Let's look at what Jesus says.

In Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Jesus clearly states that he was not sent to abolish the law, the law of which had already existed. So what is mentioned above cannot be discounted.

Then Jesus continues to say, in Matthew 5:18 and 19 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus here states that not even as much as a dot (tittle) shall not pass from the law. Every thing is kept the way it was. That is why the previous laws cannot be removed or discarded, and those who willfully change these laws "he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven!!!!!!!!!!

Side: No
1 point

There were no trees big enough to make the cross that big in Jerusalem at that time. Typically they would have had something that looks like an X and tie the persons limbs to each point. The trees back then weren't big enough to make a cross that big, they simply weren't.

Side: No
2 points

Yes Jesus was crucified on a cross and died a horrible death at the time. It was very gruesome death at the time and back then the Romans would crucify people on a cross.

Side: Yes
loopseye(30) Disputed
1 point

so what happens to the story that i stated as below??

when jesus prayed to God again and again and God accepted...??

please in this debate you are required to speak with evidence ... so that it may be fruitful to all people~!!'

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please read what i have qouted from bible

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

I will read your thing but it's probably mostly stuff you picked out and didn't even look at the context of the verse or the whole meaning of it.

Side: Yes

Once I saw Passion of the Christ my view of Jesus never changed. He was crucified.

Side: Yes

"Christ died for us."

"we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son".

Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

"in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Read Romans 5:6 - 10

6 "Christ died for the ungodly. "

9 "saved from the wrath of God through Him. "

10 "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."

Source(s):

Read Romans 5 for understanding.

http://www.biblica.com/bible/verse/index…

Then read Romans chapters 2 and 3. If you don't understand what you are reading, then ask God for understanding and freedom to "see

Side: Yes

yah some one would down vote me

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, He was crucified. Any Bible-believing Christian can not disagree with the fact.

Side: Yes
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That's what the stories say. *

Side: Yes