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Was the dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified?

This has been one of the most controversial topics ever debated in history. Did Truman make the right decision? Make sure you back up your points of view with facts, figures and evidence!

Yes, explain

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No, explain

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I think the dropping of the both bombs were the only way to convince Japan to surrender, and that they were eventually going to lose the war. Once the first bomb was dropped, Japan had a choice to surrender. Still, they believed they were the dominant power. To prove the point that they still could dominate the Japanese Empire, the USA dropped the second bomb. This eventually led to the Japanese Surrender.

Another reason is that throughout the war, Japan constantly made inhumane acts of extreme violence and cold blood, like the Rape of Nanking. They also thought they were the dominant superpower, and could invade, take-over and destroy other countries. On top of this, they refused a peaceful surrender from the USA, even though they were losing the war. In accepting surrender, they could have easily averted the loss of many of their civilians, industry and agriculture in the Atomic blasts. Therefore, they paid the full price. I REST MY CASE!

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

Sorry, this is an argument about the bombing of Japan by the USA, this is not a mock trial

Side: No, explain
4 points

Though it may be inhumane, over half a million lives were saved. To add to this, it is well documented in History that the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had pamphlets dropped on them to clearly warn them of the iminent danger, over 1 week in advance of the dropping of the bomb. If the US had not have dropped the A-Bomb, the war may have lasted many more years, and the Cold War may have became WW3. Though unlikely, it was a completely understandable reason at the time, as the USSR were planning to invade both China and Eastern Europe.

Side: Yes, explain
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I agree with you, Imcharlie. You have presented good facts which have proved that the dropping of the bombs was justified.

Side: Yes, explain
4 points

No bomb= longer war. End of story. Who knows what the Japanese would have continued to if the bomb wasn't dropped. 500 000 lives were saved by dropping the bombs and who knows how many lives would be lost if the Japanese continued to take over countries and slaughter whole armies.

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Valid argument. if the bomb was not dropped, the war would definitely be longer and by dropping the bombs it saved many lives. you should do politics

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
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BUt, if your country was under the threat of invasion, annihalation and extiction, then the reasons of bombing in mass death, destructiuon, then the decision of their logic seems reasonable..... at least to them

Side: No, explain
4 points

Of course it was justified. If the USA hadn't of dropped the bombs, people in other countries wouldn't have got the message as America being a superpower. USSR would have invaded during the cold war and Japan could have simply invaded in a few years time.

Although i don't think USA are the world police, it was necessary, and showing how many people it can kill in one second on civilians, would absolutely destroy the country in a matter of days.

Let's be honest, I'm happy speaking English right now...

Side: Yes, explain
4 points

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Side: Yes, explain
1 point

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Side: Yes, explain
4 points

Wow a class full of trolls.

Side: Yes, explain
3 points

if america didn't drop the atomic bomb and allowed japan to kept their emperor then there would be nothing to stop them from simply starting all over again in a couple of years time and maybe sucseeding

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

This is clearly an oppiniontative statement and thus cannot be used in a court as supportive evidence

Side: No, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
1 point

I agree, we and our allies should start a war and take over the world.

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
-1 points

But wouldn't JApan eventually find a place to stop, no country is just going to keep expanding, there is only so much world

Side: No, explain
sgillespie Disputed
2 points

yes but they mightn't stop until they've got all of south east Asia, China, Australia and many more countries under their rule.

Side: Yes, explain
3 points

I think it was justified because many peoples lives were saved and for the fact that this ultimately saved the war from going on perhas for longer if there was a land battle, in a land battle the war would have been much longer and would have taken a much heavier toll on both sides involved!

If more information was needed you can get all info you would like at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

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Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Part of the Pacific War, World War II

Atomic bomb mushroom clouds over Hiroshima (left) and Nagasaki (right)

Date

6–9 August 1945

Location

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan

Result

Debate regarding how much influence on the surrender of Japan

Belligerents

United States

United Kingdom

Empire of Japan

Commanders and leaders

William S. Parsons

Paul W. Tibbets, Jr.

Shunroku Hata

Units involved

Manhattan District

509th Composite Group

Second General Army

Casualties and losses

None

90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima[1]

60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki[1]

Total: 150,000–246,000+ killed

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The atomic bombings of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan were conducted by the United States during the final stages of World War II in 1945. These two events represent the only use of nuclear weapons in war to date.

Following a firebombing campaign that destroyed many Japanese cities, the Allies prepared for a costly invasion of Japan. The war in Europe ended when Nazi Germany signed its instrument of surrender on 8 May, but the Pacific War continued. Together with the United Kingdom and the Republic of China, the United States called for a surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945, threatening Japan with "prompt and utter destruction". The Japanese government ignored this ultimatum, and the United States deployed two nuclear weapons developed by the Manhattan Project. American airmen dropped Little Boy on the city of Hiroshima on 6 August 1945, followed by Fat Man over Nagasaki on 9 August.

Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day. The Hiroshima prefecture health department estimated that, of the people who died on the day of the explosion, 60% died from flash or flame burns, 30% from falling debris and 10% from other causes. During the following months, large numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness. In a US estimate of the total immediate and short term cause of death, 15–20% died from radiation sickness, 20–30% from burns, and 50–60% from other injuries, compounded by illness. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizeable garrison.

On 15 August, six days after the bombing of Nagasaki, Japan announced its surrender to the Allies, signing the Instrument of Surrender on 2 September, officially ending World War II. The bombings led, in part, to post-war Japan's adopting Three Non-Nuclear Principles, forbidding the nation from nuclear armament. The role of the bombings in Japan's surrender and their ethical justification are still debated.

Contents

[hide] 1 Background 1.1 Pacific War

1.2 Preparations to invade Japan

1.3 Air raids on Japan

1.4 Atomic bomb development

2 Preparations 2.1 Organization and training

2.2 Choice of targets

2.3 Potsdam ultimatum

3 Hiroshima 3.1 Hiroshima during World War II

3.2 The bombing

3.3 Japanese realization of the bombing

3.4 Post-attack casualties

3.5 Survival of some structures

4 Events of 7–9 August

5 Nagasaki 5.1 Nagasaki during World War II

5.2 The bombing

6 Plans for more atomic attacks on Japan

7 Surrender of Japan and subsequent occupation

8 Depiction, public response and censorship

9 Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission

10 Hibakusha 10.1 Double survivors

10.2 Korean survivors

11 Debate over bombings 11.1 Legal situation in Japan

12 Notes

13 References

14 Further reading

15 External links 15.1 Archives

15.2 Commemoration

Background

Pacific War

Main article: Pacific War

In 1945, the Pacific War between the Empire of Japan and the Allies of World War II had entered its fourth year. World War II was not winding down. Instead, the fighting was being prosecuted with ever-increasing fury. Of the 1.25 million battle casualties incurred by the United States in World War II, including both soldiers killed in action and wounded in action, nearly one million occurred in the twelve month period from June 1944 to June 1945. December 1944 saw American battle casualties hit an all-time monthly high of 88,000 as a result of the German Ardennes Offensive.[2]

In the Pacific during this period, the Allies captured the Mariana and Palau Islands,[3] returned to the Philippines,[4] and invaded Borneo.[5] The policy of bypassing Japanese forces was abandoned. In order to free troops for use elsewhere, offensives were undertaken to reduce the Japanese forces remaining in Bougainville, New Guinea and the Philippines.[6] In April 1945, American forces had landed on Okinawa, where heavy fighting would continue until June. Along the way, the ratio of Japanese deaths to American casualties dropped from 5 to 1 in the Philippines to 2 to 1 on Okinawa.[2]

Preparations to invade Japan

Main article: Operation Downfall

Even before the surrender of Nazi Germany on 8 May 1945, plans were already underway for the largest operation of the Pacific War, Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan.[7] The operation had two parts: Operations Olympic and Coronet. Set to begin in October 1945, Olympic involved a series of landings by the US Sixth Army intended to capture the southern third of the southernmost main Japanese island, Kyūshū.[8] Operation Olympic was to be followed in March 1946 by Operation Coronet, the capture of the Kantō Plain, near Tokyo on the Japanese island of Honshū by the US First, Eighth and Tenth Armies. The target date was chosen to allow for Olympic to complete its objectives, troops to be redeployed from Europe, and the Japanese winter to pass.[9]

Japan's geography made this invasion plan obvious to the Japanese as well; they were able to predict the Allied invasion plans accurately and thus adjust their defensive plan, Operation Ketsugō, accordingly. The Japanese planned an all-out defense of Kyūshū, with little left in reserve for any subsequent defense operations.[10] Four veteran divisions were withdrawn from the Kwantung Army in Manchuria in March 1945 to strengthen the forces in Japan,[11] and 45 new divisions were activated between February and May 1945. Most were immobile formations for coastal defence, but 16 were high quality mobile divisions.[12] In all, there were 2.3 million Japanese Army troops prepared to defend the Japanese home islands, another 4 million Army and Navy employees, and a civilian militia of 28 million men and women. Casualty predictions varied widely, but were extremely high. The Vice Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy General Staff, Vice Admiral Takijirō Ōnishi, predicted up to 20 million Japanese deaths.[13]

US Army poster prepares the public for the invasion of Japan after ending war on Germany and Italy

A study from 15 June 1945 by the Joint War Plans Committee,[14] who provided planning information to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, estimated that Olympic would result in between 130,000 and 220,000 US-casualties of which U.S. dead would be the range from 25,000 to 46,000. Delivered on 15 June 1945 after insight gained from the Battle of Okinawa, the study noted Japan's inadequate defenses due to the very effective sea blockade and the American firebombing campaign. The Chief of Staff of the United States Army, General of the Army George C. Marshall and General of the Army Douglas MacArthur signed documents agreeing with the Joint War Plans Committee estimate.[15]

The Americans were alarmed by the Japanese build up, which was accurately tracked through Ultra intelligence.[16] United States Secretary of War Henry Lewis Stimson was sufficiently concerned about high American estimates of probable casualties to commission his own study by Quincy Wright and William Shockley. Wright and Shockley spoke with Colonels James McCormack and Dean Rusk, and examined casualty forecasts by Michael DeBakey and Gilbert Beebe. Wright and Shockley estimated the invading Allies would suffer between 1.7 and 4 million casualties in such a scenario, of whom between 400,000 and 800,000 would be dead, while Japanese casualties would have been around 5 to 10 million.[17][18]

Marshall began contemplating the use of a weapon which was "readily available and which assuredly can decrease the cost in American lives":[19] poison gas. Quantities of phosgene, mustard gas, tear gas and cyanogen chloride were moved to Luzon from stockpiles in Australia and New Guinea in preparation for Operation Olympic, and General of the Army Douglas MacArthur ensured that Chemical Warfare Service units were trained in their use.[19]

Air raids on Japan

Main article: Air raids on Japan

A B-29 over Osaka on 1 June 1945

While the United States had developed plans for an air campaign against Japan prior to the Pacific War, the capture of Allied bases in the western Pacific in the first weeks of the conflict meant that this offensive did not begin until mid-1944 when the long-ranged Boeing B-29 Superfortress became ready for use in combat. Operation Matterhorn involved India-based B-29s staging through bases around Chengtu in China to make a series of raids on strategic targets in Japan between June 1944 and January 1945. This effort proved unsuccessful due to logistical difficulties with the remote location, technical problems with the new and advanced aircraft, unfavourable weather conditions, and ultimately enemy action.[20]

USAAF Brigadier General Haywood S. Hansell determined that Guam, Tinian and Saipan in the Mariana Islands would better serve as B-29 bases, but they were in Japanese hands. Strategies were shifted to accommodate the air war, and the islands were captured between June and August 1944. Air bases were developed, and B-29 operations commenced from the Marianas in November 1944, greatly expanding the scope of the strategic bombing campaign against Japan.[20]

These attacks initially targeted key industrial facilities, but from March 1945 they were frequently directed against urban areas. The capture of Okinawa in June 1945 provided airfields even closer to the Japanese mainland, allowing the bombing campaign to be escalated further. Over the next six months, the XXI Bomber Command fire-bombed 67 Japanese cities. The Operation Meetinghouse 9–10 March Bombing of Tokyo caused 80,000–100,000 casualties and destroyed 16 square miles (41 km2) of the city with 267,000 buildings–the deadliest of the war. Aircraft flying from Allied aircraft carriers and the Ryukyu Islands also regularly struck targets in Japan during 1945 in preparation for Operation Downfall.[21]

The Japanese military was unable to stop the Allied attacks, and the country's civil defense preparations proved inadequate. From April 1945, the Japanese Army and Naval Air Forces stopped attempting to intercept the air raids in order to preserve fighter aircraft to counter the expected invasion.[22] By mid-1945 the Japanese also only occasionally scrambled aircraft to intercept individual B-29s conducting reconnaissance sorties over the country in order to conserve supplies of fuel.[23] By July 1945, the Japanese had stockpiled 1,156,000 US barrels (137,800,000 l; 36,400,000 US gal; 30,300,000 imp gal) of avgas for the invasion of Japan.[24]

Atomic bomb development

Main article: Manhattan Project

Working in collaboration with the United Kingdom and Canada, with their respective projects Tube Alloys and Chalk River Laboratories,[25][26] the Manhattan Project, under the direction of Major General Leslie Groves, of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, designed and built the first atomic bombs.[27] Preliminary research began in 1939, originally in fear that the Nazi atomic bomb project would develop atomic weapons first.[28] In May 1945, the defeat of Germany caused the focus to turn to use against Japan.[29]

Two types of bombs were eventually devised by scientists and technicians at Los Alamos under American physicist Robert Oppenheimer. The Hiroshima bomb, known as Little Boy, was a gun-type fission weapon made with uranium-235, a rare isotope of uranium extracted in giant factories in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.[30] The other was an implosion-type nuclear weapon using plutonium-239, a synthetic element created in nuclear reactors at Hanford, Washington. A test implosion weapon, the gadget, was detonated at Trinity Site, on 16 July 1945, near Alamogordo, New Mexico.[31] The Nagasaki bomb, Fat Man was also an implosion device.[32]

Preparations

Organization and training

Aircraft of the 509th Composite Group that took part in the Hiroshima bombing. Left to right: backup plane, The Great Artiste, Enola Gay

The 509th Composite Group was constituted on 9 December 1944, and activated on 17 December 1944, at Wendover Army Air Field, Utah, commanded by Colonel Paul W. Tibbets.[33] Tibbets was assigned to organize and command a combat group to develop the means of delivering an atomic weapon against targets in Germany and Japan. Because the flying squadrons of the group consisted of both bomber and transport aircraft, the group was designated as a "composite" rather than a "bombardment" unit.

Working with the Manhattan Project at Site Y in Los Alamos, New Mexico, Tibbets selected Wendover for his training base over Great Bend, Kansas, and Mountain Home, Idaho because of its remoteness.[34] On 10 September 1944, the 393rd Bomb Squadron, a B-29 Superfortress unit, arrived at Wendover from the 504th Bombardment Group (Very Heavy) at Fairmont Army Air Base, Nebraska, where it had been in group training since 12 March. When its parent group deployed to the Mariana Islands in early November 1944, the squadron was assigned directly to the Second Air Force until creation of the 509th Composite Group.[35] Originally consisting of twenty-one crews, fifteen were selected to continue training and were organized into three flights of five crews, lettered A, B, and C.

The 320th Troop Carrier Squadron (TCS), the other flying unit of the 509th, came into being because of the highly secret work of the group. The organization that was to become the 509th required its own transports for the movement of both personnel and materiel, resulting in creation of an ad hoc unit nicknamed "The Green Hornet Line".[35][36] Crews for this unit were acquired from the six 393rd crews not selected to continue B-29 training, some of whom chose to remain with the 509th rather than be assigned to a replacement pool of the Second Air Force. They began using Curtiss C-46 Commandos and C-47 Skytrains already at Wendover, and after November 1944 flew five acquired C-54 Skymasters.[37] The 320th TCS was formally activated at the same time as the group.[33]

Other support units were activated at Wendover from personnel already present and working with its Project W-47, which was later superseded by Project Alberta, or in the 216th Base Unit, both of which were affiliated with the Project Y. The 390th Air Service Group was created as the command echelon for the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron, the 1027th Air Material squadron, and its own Air Base Support Squadron, but as these units became independent operationally, acted as the basic support unit for the entire 509th Composite Group in providing quarters, rations, medical care, postal service and other basic support functions. The 603rd Air Engineering Squadron was unique in that it provided depot-level B-29 maintenance in the field, obviating the necessity of sending aircraft back to the United States for major repairs. The 603rd made a number of modifications to the first contract order of Silverplate B-29s that were later incorporated as specifications for the combat models.

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
0 points

Please provide a source for this as it is obviously not your own work and thus copyright

Side: No, explain
3 points

Yes. The Japansese acted with cold blood and brutality during WW11. If it weren't for the USA and her Atomic bombs, our country of Australia would be occupied by Japanese right now!!

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

I do not believe this country would be occupied by Japan as the Japanese were successfully halted at kakoda. also the Japanese lost the battle of the coral sea, this means that the Japanese progress was slowing and they were weakening. yet i still believe that the Atomic bomb was justified.

Side: Yes, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
2 points

The Japanese had a policy and belief of never giving up. Even if they were halted at Kokoda, they might of tried to invade 10 years later or even now. By the way, it is Kokoda not Kakoda.

Side: No, explain
2 points

1. Japan rejected the Potsdam conference which called for unconditional surrender.

2. The Americans warned that they (Japan) had the potential to recieve ruin from the air, the likes of which have never been seen.

3. The threat of invasion would ultimately result in 180 000 American casualties and unkown Japanese civilian casualties.

4. Bombing ultimately saved 500 000 lives.

5. USA needed to show USSR that they were a world power and was warning them not to expand into Europe, "or else."

6. The Japanese accepted all terms of the potsdam conference, except that the emperor will be removed the Americans refused to negotiate.

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Also, the Russians would of tried to attack, destroy and takeover the whole world if we didn't demonstrate our power.

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

It saved many lives. Around 500 00 which is a better. Subscribe to me on You Tube- eh Twitchy

Side: Yes, explain
________(5) Disputed
2 points

Why would anyone subscribe to you on youtube????? your videos would probably waste minutes of their lives

Side: No, explain
1 point

66,000 poeple were killed by the 'Little Boy', the uranium bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Side: No, explain
2 points

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Side: Yes, explain
2 points

It was a good choice by the Americans, it saved everyone.

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Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Дискуссия о целесообразности атомных бомбардировок Хиросимы и Нагасаки посвящена американским атомным бомбардировкам Хиросимы и Нагасаки 6 и 9 августа 1945 года, на завершающем этапе Второй мировой войны. Роль бомбардировок в капитуляции Японии и их этическая обоснованность до сих пор остаются предметом научной и общественной дискуссии. В 2005 году в обзоре историографии, посвященной этому вопросу, американский историк Сэмюель Уокер[1] написал что «споры о целесообразности бомбардировок определенно будут продолжаться». Уокер также отметил, что «Фундаментальный вопрос, по которому вот уже более 40 лет продолжаются споры, это были ли атомные бомбардировки необходимы для достижения победы в войне на Тихом океане на условиях, приемлемых для США»[2].

Сторонники бомбардировок обычно утверждают, что они вызвали капитуляцию Японии, предотвратили массовые потери с обеих сторон при вторжении в Японию: высадка на Кюсю планировалась в октябре 1945 года, на Хонсю — пятью месяцами позже. Противники бомбардировок утверждают что они были просто дополнением к уже идущим ожесточенным обычным бомбардировкам[3] и, таким образом, в них не было военной необходимости[4], что они, в отличие от других методов ведения боевых действий, были аморальны по своей сути и являлись военным преступлением или были формой государственного терроризма[5].

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

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Side: Yes, explain
2 points

After the bombs were dropped, why didn't we invade and takeover Japan?

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

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Side: Yes, explain
1 point

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Side: Yes, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
1 point

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Side: No, explain
1 point

By the time of the Potsdam Conference, which was ultimately rejected, Japan had captured nearly all the land from their homeland to New Guinea. Although the Australians, Americans and British were able to force the Japanese out of New Guinea by '44, it would not be unlikely that the Japanese forces tried to retake New Guinea, and then onto Australia. If the bombs hadn't been dropped, the Japanese may have invaded Australia and then moved onto complete domination of Asia Pacific, killing countless millions of people in the process.

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki most likely saved the invasion of Greater Asia- Pacific.

Side: Yes, explain
1 point

It ended the war, saving the rest of the world from domination.

Side: Yes, explain
1 point

I think the dropping of the both bombs were the only way to convince Japan to surrender, and that they were eventually going to lose the war. Once the first bomb was dropped, Japan had a choice to surrender. Still, they believed they were the dominant power. To prove the point that they still could dominate the Japanese Empire, the USA dropped the second bomb. This eventually led to the Japanese Surrender.

Another reason is that throughout the war, Japan constantly made inhumane acts of extreme violence and cold blood, like the Rape of Nanking. They also thought they were the dominant superpower, and could invade, take-over and destroy other countries. On top of this, they refused a peaceful surrender from the USA, even though they were losing the war. In accepting surrender, they could have easily averted the loss of many of their civilians, industry and agriculture in the Atomic blasts. Therefore, they paid the full price. I REST MY CASE!

Side: Yes, explain
________(5) Disputed
2 points

that was stolen from jdoggs. that is not cool......you should be ashamed

Side: No, explain
1 point

Though it may be inhumane, over half a million lives were saved. To add to this, it is well documented in History that the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had pamphlets dropped on them to clearly warn them of the iminent danger, over 1 week in advance of the dropping of the bomb. If the US had not have dropped the A-Bomb, the war may have lasted many more years, and the Cold War may have became WW3. Though unlikely, it was a completely understandable reason at the time, as the USSR were planning to invade both China and Eastern Europe.

Side: Yes, explain
teratime(6) Disputed
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no!?!?!?!!?! -_- 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Side: No, explain
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The Japs may of striked today if we didnt show them who was boss. It is the same with Russia and China

Side: Yes, explain
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I agree with Imcharlie, he has good facts with his arguement

Side: Yes, explain
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Many deride the US for their actions, but imagine if the USSR had got onto that first...

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Side: Yes, explain
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Ooh ooh

We're no strangers to love You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching but You're too shy to say it Inside we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it And if you ask me how I'm feeling Don't tell me you're too blind to see

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up) (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up) (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up)

We've know each other for so long Your heart's been aching but You're too shy to say it Inside we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Side: Yes, explain
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Hiroshima (広島市 Hiroshima-shi?) (About this sound listen (help·info)) is the capital of Hiroshima Prefecture, and the largest city in the Chūgoku region of western Honshu, the largest island of Japan. It is best known as the first city in history to be targeted by a nuclear weapon when the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped an atomic bomb on it at 8:15 A.M. on August 6, 1945, near the end of World War II.[1] Its name 広島 means "Wide Island".

Hiroshima gained city status on April 1, 1889. On April 1, 1980, Hiroshima became a designated city. The city's current mayor since April 2011 is Kazumi Matsui.

Side: Yes, explain
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the US made such a big deal when 911 happened, but they killed hundreds of thousands of more innocent people than the taliban did. So, who is the terrorists?

Side: Yes, explain
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Side: Yes, explain
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Side: Yes, explain
1 point

The USSR was invading japan colony's(and were planing to attack japan next) in early 1945, and when the USA dropped the two atomic bombs, the Soviets were furious. Some people say this was the start of the cold war. Many Innocent Japanese civilians died, many died a pain-full death.

However, if the USA invaded, not only would their be many American and Soviet(the USSR began invading Japan colony's not long after the fall off Germany in early 1945) causalities, but many civilian deaths as well. The death toll would have been higher if the USSR and USA invaded Japan.

Therefore, the atomic bomb was justifiable.

Side: Yes, explain
0 points

It ended the war two years later, alot can happen in two years.

Side: Yes, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
1 point

Japan surrended soon after the dropping of the second bomb not two years later! get your facts right.

Side: No, explain
-3 points
23anonymous(3) Disputed
2 points

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Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
0 points

Please explain this phrase... it seems irrelevant to this argument and comment

Side: Yes, explain
4 points

You can not ignore the fact of how inhumane and horrendous this event really was and how many innocent people were killed. This is a quote from a survivor from the Nagasaki bombing.

"The pumpkin field in front of the house was blown clean. Nothing was left of the whole thick crop, except that in place of the pumpkins there was a woman's head. I looked at the face to see if I knew her. It was a woman of about forty. She must have been from another part of town -- I had never seen her around here. A gold tooth gleamed in the wide-open mouth. A handful of singed hair hung down from the left temple over her cheek, dangling in her mouth. Her eyelids were drawn up, showing black holes where the eyes had been burned out. . . . She had probably looked square into the flash and gotten her eyeballs burned."

Side: No, explain
OliverSmith(5) Disputed
4 points

Yea nice comment bailey :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

Nice Work Bailey
Side: Yes, explain
raCOON Disputed
2 points

honestly oli was it necessary to write :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

PLease explain how this is relevent to the current debate and not to some personal statment of interest

Side: No, explain
3 points

Various different contributing factors including ethical, legal and military all contributed to the dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. On the 6th of August and the 9th of August the two devastating attacks on Japanese land annihilated civilisation of the area and devastated the agriculture.

I believe that the attack was not necessary because of the total devastation that has occurred to Japan and it has had a negative effect even to the day. With the awesome devastation of the first few second of the drop of the bomb with amounts totalling 70, 000 dead this is one of the key factors on why I believe it is inhumane and not justified.

Side: No, explain
Imcharlie(4) Disputed
2 points

Yes, but that one bomb saved up to 500000 lives. It's comparative to killing a serial killer to stop them from killing more. Stop someone at the source, and you will destroy the problem.

Side: Yes, explain
________(5) Disputed
2 points

Many civilians were killed which did not need to be. the army should have been targeted more.

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
0 points

PLease extend your argument and support it using more specific information

Side: Yes, explain
3 points

I believe that the attacks were an important step to the success to the war but the killing of innocent people is hypocritical. America declared the war because of the bombing of Pearl Harbour resulted in the death of 2,390 people and the atomic bomb drop on japan caused 70,000 deaths in the first second.

Side: No, explain
Imcharlie(4) Disputed
3 points

Your statement is hypocritical in itself. Firstly, you have no info backing your arguments, and secondly, Japan came out of the blue and bombed Pearl Harbour, where as there had been a war for 6 years, and America decided they wanted to simply end it, no questions asked.

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Do you think that Japan willy nilly bombed America for no reason? things happen for a reason. Well before the bombing, the United States cut off Japans oil supply. My comment is an opinion backed up with firm evidence from teh interwebs. I agree with you that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing was a key for winning the war, but United States were inhumain in killing so many innocent people. Those 500, 000 people saved by the A-Bomb would easily have been saved if America didn't cut off their oil

Side: Yes, explain
3 points

America committed their own holocaust. A holocaust is defined as the destruction or slaughter of a certain race, religion, social group or population.

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

And so thus it is hypocritacal for them to condemn any other culture, for example the khmer Rouge for their actions against a race

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Well since you included both bombs then I would say no. Japan called for surrender right after the first bomb went off. Three days later, even though Japan had surrendered, America dropped the second one on Nagasaki.

The first one was justified; the second one was not.

Side: No, explain
Imcharlie(4) Disputed
3 points

Seeing that you're saying Nagasaki was unnecessary, I'll put it like this. Japan were not going to surrender, and it required extreme force. They not only needed to be kicked to the ground, the needed to be choked out (metaphorically). Nagasaki was to show that they will show no mercy, not for the same reason as Hiroshima. They dropped it to show that they won, and if you fight back again, we will just drop another.

Side: Yes, explain
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

What? America used the nuke because thats what you do in war: you use the latest technology. No one knew that the nuke was that powerful when they dropped it. I'm really confused by your argument.... We had three nukes; the first was a test; the second on Hiroshima; the third on Nagasaki. We had no more. The reason why we dropped it was because we were racist towards the Japanese at that time. Way before the war had restricted Asian immigration, closer to the war we wouldn't let the Issei have land; then the rape of Nanking happened and the invasion of Manchuria in which the Japanese slaughtered thousands of Chinese who stood up for their country but then surrendered. They were killed after they had surrendered. Then we put the Japanese into internment camps after Pearl Harbor and after they invaded parts of the Aleutian islands. We hated the Japanese; that is why we dropped the second.

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

But fear and displays of power is what brings the world apart and without this, the world would come to an end

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

Americayre several factors that make this issue controversial and was unjustified. Firstly America did offer peace to the Japanese several times but was rejected. If japan accepted this surrender (unconditional) japan would be left with very little say in their country’s future. Furthermore, was the bomb needed to ensure japans exit from the war. It was estimated that over 500,000 American livers were saved by dropping the bomb and not an on foot attack; however the bombing caused the destruction of 67 cities and caused 500,000 japan casualties. The only reason why this bomb was dropped was so America could show their power to USSR and the rest of the world. Due to the bombing humanitarian rights were broken with thousands of people dying in seconds, all for japan to agree with America’s terms and conditions.

Side: No, explain
jkoop(1) Disputed
2 points

This event saved more destruction to the planet than if Japan and USSR continued in the war. USSR would have moved into eastern Europe and Asia and there would have been more destruction if Japan wasn't stopped and USSR wasn't warned not to invade.

Side: Yes, explain
2 points

yes becuase it was the only way to make japan surrender.

^ "Proclamation Defining Terms for Japanese Surrender issued at Potsdam Germany", 26 July 1945. Retrieved on 15 January 2012.

^ a b Walker, J. Samuel (April 2005). "Recent Literature on Truman's Atomic Bomb Decision: A Search for Middle Ground". Diplomatic History 29 (2): 334. doi:10.1111/j.1467-7709.2005.00476.x.

^ http://voices.yahoo.com/why-did-japan-delay-surrender-allies-39403.html

Side: No, explain
2 points

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Side: No, explain
2 points

In the early stages of the explosion, temperatures of tens of millions of degrees were produced. The light emitted is roughly ten times the brightness of the sun. During the explosion, various types of radiations such as gamma rays and alpha and beta particles eminate from the explosion. These radiative particles give the atomic bomb its greatest deadliness. They may last years or even centuries in dangerous amounts. Gamma radiation and neutrons caused thousands of cases of radiation sickness in Japan. First the blood was affected, and then the blood making organs were impaired including the bone marrow, the spleen and the lymph nodes. When radiation was severe, the organs of the body became necrotic within a few days, marking the victim for certain death within a short period of time.

Side: No, explain
2 points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spS5C0T3JYU video explaining Americas choise in this debate

Side: No, explain
2 points

No. There are many motives for the dropping of the bombs, however, it could of been dropped on the japanese military bases instead of on villages full of innocent children and women. It could of been avoided but the USA wanted to demonstrate their power and show their dominance. It is like what happened in 1971 with the introduction of the petrodollar which restricted the middle east's oil supplies to only be traded in US dollars. The USA has had a long reign, but could this debt cause her to fall and instead have Russia and Chin atakeover?

Side: No, explain
2 points

This could never be justified. I don't need to explain, it's just sick that anyone could try to justify mass murder on this level. There are other ways to end wars.

Side: No, explain
2 points

No many lives were lost because of it......................

Side: No, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

consider this, you are one person, if die, would that be significatn now times that by say 70, that is even more, now times that by a thousand, VERY SIGNIFICANT, so many lives lost

Side: Yes, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
1 point

A minute ago you said that it saved lives. make up your mind!

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

quiche doesnt have a mind please consider this in your response

Side: No, explain
1 point

And what gives the country the right to destroy a population of a ciy let alone two, 70000 people were killed in the first second and another 70000 killed during the next six months... what gives someone the right to do that, the abilty and the reason, mass extinction is not reasonable

Side: No, explain
LELZ(3) Disputed
2 points

japan would have done the same, seeing as they broke many war codes throughout the war

Side: Yes, explain
Quiche(20) Disputed
1 point

so? that doesn't justify the actions of the United States of America

Side: No, explain
1 point

Nun liebe Kinder gebt fein acht

Ich bin die Stimme aus dem Kissen

Ich hab euch etwas mitgebracht

Hab es aus meiner Brust gerissen

Mit diesem Herz hab ich die Macht

Die Augenlider zu erpressen

Ich singe bis der Tag erwacht

Ein heller Schein am Firmament

Mein Herz brennt

Sie kommen zu euch in der Nacht

Dämonen Geister schwarze Feen

Sie kriechen aus dem Kellerschacht

Und werden unter euer Bettzeug sehen

Nun liebe Kinder gebt fein acht

Ich bin die Stimme aus dem Kissen

Ich hab euch etwas mitgebracht

Ein heller Schein am Firmament

Mein Herz brennt

Sie kommen zu euch in der Nacht

Und stehlen eure kleinen heißen Tränen

Sie warten bis der Mond erwacht

Und drücken sie in meine kalten Venen

Nun liebe Kinder gebt fein acht

Ich bin die Stimme aus dem Kissen

Ich singe bis der Tag erwacht

Ein heller Schein am Firmament

Mein Herz brennt

Side: No, explain
1 point

それが400,000罪のない民間人��上が死亡と号爆弾を落とさ��てはいけません。

Side: No, explain
1 point

THE AMERICANS SHOULD HAVE FOUND ANOTHER WAY TO STOP JAPAN

Side: No, explain
anonymas(10) Disputed
1 point

How exactly? If we invaded the Japs by land, they would get their kamakazi piolots to kill us all or they would cut off our limbs brutually like they did in china.

Side: Yes, explain

In my view, no. I know that it put a stop to the war, but the deployment of nuclear arms on civilian populations as as extreme as actions get. I feel that perhaps the dropping of a similar bomb on a military cache, followed up by the official declaration of intention to do the same on two civilian cities would have sufficed. No matter the cause, I cannot reconcile the death of that many civilians in that manner. Though, I could be convinced that it was the only option. I'd prefer if another course of action had been taken, but I suppose that terrible things happen in war. I settle for despair at my species, to attack itself with such malice.

Side: No, explain
1 point

I. Est nomen meum Susan Boyle. Ego sum LI annis et ego habito in XXXII Apathagas Avenue, Bayview. Ego sum CLINICUS pro pluribus aegros in area quos possidet Simon Williams.

II. Simon coepi venistis videre me semper Monday quia August MMVII. Ad meis moribus nos omnia commemorare colloquia data ad nos efficiendos capaces audire eos in novissimis temporibus et observate progressum gesta.

III. Die Lune 7 January huiusce, Simon Williams venit ad me quantum facit super weekly basis me videre de ira gestionis et irascibilem proventus. Facere eum admodum erratically fuit illustraverat. Qui dixit mihi "In Imbuo ego nocendum cuipiam iterum, apud me hockey venatus nos erant lascivio contra Warringah comitatus Concilium Team. Erat qui optimus princeps bigas. Ad dimidiam tempus me et meum theam consideratum est quod nostra optimus bene ad concilianda venatus assumpturus erat, eum foras. "

IV. Tunc continuatur, "Circa X minutes in secundam dimidium, manipulus gessisset impetro pila claudere propositum nostrum et princeps erat circiter ad mittendas et verisimile est ustulo. Videns hoc, ut mea occasio impetro rid of ego eum cucurrit ad eum et ledo eum in tibiis cum meis lignum. Lorem cuncta gratis accepta Etiam elit ipsum fuisse factum ipsum, sed ab eo nequiquam ".

V. Simon narravit mihi de industria sic fecerit ipsum dolor adsequi posse. Hoc erat solito perspective ab eo sicut voluit tribulationis administrandi eius irascibilem et ira, quae solet resultat in amicos eius, et familia ageretur apud dure vel etiam Tollens autem de ira sua valere. Uxorem suam, Sally Hawthorn, repudiata, diebus December MMVIII. Hoc debitum fuit corporis et verborum abusu eam, et saepius veniens domum tardioribus horis. Hoc haberet dramatic effectum in progressum

VI. Credo quod ipse est, pugnax persona pronus ad violentiam debetur eius historia et actionibus.

Side: No, explain
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The Japanese were the #1 economy and still have not recovered from that bomb. That bomb changed a whole country for the worse, and in return USA just got satisfied.

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Because thousands and thousands of women and children were killed. It was an atrocity.

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Thousands and thousands of women and children were killed in those atomic blasts. It was an atrocity.

Side: No, explain