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189
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Debate Score:375
Arguments:258
Total Votes:380
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Were the Mongols Civilized or Uncivilized?

“Fiends from hell” or “culture brokers?” (The first label comes from an English historian and the second from a Persian merchant.)

Civilized

Side Score: 186
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Uncivilized

Side Score: 189
9 points

The Mongols practiced religious tolerance. They, themselves, practiced a religion tied to their land, so they did not expect everyone they conquered to adhere to that. religions like Buddhism, Islam, and Christianity could be found in their empire.

Side: Civilized
8 points

Women could control domestic affairs, divorce their husbands, and be trusted advisors

Side: Civilized
7 points

They built more infrastructure including building roads, bridges, and postal stations, which protected the Silk Road

Side: Civilized
5 points

Mongols would save the artisans and had them make goods for them instead of killing them when they took over another city. This helped the mongols with the production of goods and making it easier.

Side: Civilized
2 points

This practice of allowing artisans to live helped spread knowledge and information across the empire, and preserved it for centuries to come.

Side: Civilized
4 points

Since they controlled the most of the Silk Road, they changed it into a free trade.

Side: Civilized
4 points

If opposition surrendered, then peace was instantly established.

Side: Civilized
3 points

They had laws and created international law (abolished torture)

Side: Civilized
KaleyMiller(10) Disputed
1 point

While they did abolish torture, they killed thousands of people while building their empire, which ruined many, many people's lives.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

Under the mongol rule, warriors were used to enforce national justice and law, and promoted peace in conquered areas.

Side: Civilized
2 points

Mongols abolished torture throughout their empire and reduced their means of brutality under Genghis Khan.

Side: Civilized
kasmioduszew(10) Clarified
1 point

Simply surrendering to the Mongols would establish peace permanently.

Side: Civilized
2 points

The mongols promoted religious tolerance under their empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongols had pagan beliefs but the empire included Islam, Buddhism, and Confucius's beliefs.

Side: Civilized
2 points

The Mongols were tolerant of many religions. This means that no one would face persecution if they practiced a different religion than others.

Side: Civilized
2 points

Women throughout Mongolia were permitted to own land and possess freedoms that usually (only) males had at the time.

Side: Civilized
2 points

The Mongols promoted soldiers based on merit instead of birth.

Side: Civilized
alexism(11) Disputed
2 points

Even though they promoted by merit, at times it was all about loyalty. Genghis Khan was so ruthless towards others and their loyalty, he killed his own step-brother.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols granted religious freedom and tolerance. They did not force anyone to follow a specific religion.

Side: Civilized
2 points

The Mongold were civilized through their acts of imposing religous tolerance. When Gengis Khan became the "ruler" of the Mongols, he incorporated Buddhist, Islamic, and Chirstian traditions in the Mongol society even though the Mongols were highly Shamanistic. For example, throughout the Mongol Empire, their were many mosques that Gengis Khan wanted built.

Side: Civilized

The Mongols allowed religious freedom and many different views.

Side: Civilized
2 points

During the conquest, they would save doctors, scholars, artisans, and other skillful people that would help them in their empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols saving people like doctors, artisans, etc also contributed to higher communication and mixing of cultures.

Side: Civilized
2 points

The Mongols helped the SIlk Road flourish. They improved roads and punished bandits, making it a very safe place to trade.

Side: Civilized
MiaC(20) Disputed
1 point

Despite the Mongols having protected the Silk Road, the huge trade route connecting many cultures together was one of the major ways that disease spread.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongol's vast empire increased contact between people of many different cultures

Side: Civilized
2 points

(Kublai Khan) I expanded the knowledge base and learning ability of our empire by expanding the printing business to provide more books for the public and funded more astronomical equipment for scholars to use and discover with.

Side: Civilized
2 points

(Kublai Khan) I helped decrease poverty in the empire by creating a public-assistance program that stored surpluses of various goods so that when there was a bad economic year in the empire, there would be material to provide to the poorer.

Side: Civilized
2 points

(Genghis Khan) Discipline and morals were qualities that every warrior had to establish.

Side: Civilized
2 points

(Kublai Khan) I was not discriminatory towards our neighboring Chinese civilians and I embraced their scientific accomplishments, and preserved their bureaucracy and wealth.

Side: Civilized
2 points

People were promoted based on merit rather than based on family or status.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongol army spared enemies who surrendered to them, which resulted in less bloodshed.

Side: Civilized
alyza-ally(13) Clarified
1 point

They used those people to help with manual labor, and those who can read and write were given tasks.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Women were given more rights and higher status than other civilizations

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols instituted religious tolerance in their society.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol Empire was less patriarchial than most societies at the time

Side: Civilized
1 point

Increased the amount of paper money in circulation and guaranteed the value of the paper money in precious metals.

Side: Civilized
1 point

They had freedom of religion due to conquering many different places with many different religions they accepted all religions

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols gave more power to women than other civilizations that used harsh patriarchy's during this time. They were given the right to hold power, divorce, and own land.

Side: Civilized

Mongols had rules set in place, with heavily enforced rulers.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The mongols reinstated trade on the silk road and protected the merchants.

Side: Civilized

The Mongolian empire made great efforts to reduce taxes so that they wouldn't be pressuring the lower class of their empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

A change under Genghis Khan was that he created international law

Side: Civilized
MiaC(20) Clarified
1 point

One of the laws that Genghis Khan put into place was religious tolerance.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongolian Empire stretched from the Mountains in Hungary all the way to the pacific Ocean. This opened up trading routes such as the silk road. which brought religion and new cultures to the empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Allowed landowners to keep their land if they pledged loyalty

Side: Civilized
1 point

Even though they controlled Persia, they allowed some Persians to be local officials.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols had a caste system, Kublai Khan created it. It had ethnic Mongols on the top.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols brought peace among conquered nations since all were under the same rule.

Side: Civilized
ariscaglione(3) Disputed
1 point

The Mongols often destroyed cities when they were invading and conquering them.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Khan used a meritocracy, which valued citizens to a certain degree no matter how wealthy or poor they were

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols granted religious freedom as long as they received loyalty from their subjects.

Side: Civilized

The city was protected by two great powerful walls surrounding the entire city, something an uncivilized community could not accomplish.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols had less patriarchal domination of women compared to other civilizations (women were pretty much equal to men).

Side: Civilized
Cailynn(11) Disputed
1 point

Yes women did have many more freedoms at the time but they were not equal to men.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

They established a postal system with pony express because their empire was so large.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol women in the empire had many rights such as, leaving their husbands if they chose, and they were allowed to control domestic affairs.

Side: Civilized

The mongols implemented lasting political and societal systems.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Khan brought prosperity to trade and facilitated trade relations with Europe.

Side: Civilized
emiburzawa(11) Disputed
1 point

However, in relation to Europe, the Mongol's did also wipe out some civilian populations of entire towns after defeating their armies.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Mongol warriors were given a fulfilling, wel-paying job under the mongol army.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols transferred Greco-Islamic medical knowledge and the Arabic numbering system to Western Europe.

Side: Civilized
1 point

During the Mongols rule in China they helped their poor population by funding a rural organization. The organization lowered taxes and gave farms to the poor.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol's Saved artisans, doctors, and scholars from conquered areas and transferred them throughout their realm, spreading knowledge across the world.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols created an international postage system throughout the Silk Road / Asia

Side: Civilized
1 point

the Mongolian people ate all animals and considered no animals sacred. Also evident is the extreme thriftiness of the Mongols who need to survive extremely harsh conditions.

Side: Civilized
Kori_W(11) Disputed
1 point

I agree with your statement but I believe this is on the wrong side of the argument. Eating all animals, including those they used (horses) should be considered uncivilized.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Genghis Khan instituted a policy of religious tolerance throughout the Mongolian empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Marco Polo)

Marco's father and uncle traded in the East when Marco was a kid near Constantinople. The conditions to return to Venice were unsafe, so the Polos head further east, where they traveled through much of the Mongol empire. (they appreciated the protection the Mongols provided on trade routes such as the Silk Road)

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols had a very powerful army. Their soldiers focused on skills like speed and archery. They also had very good military strategies.

Side: Civilized
1 point

They were very disciplined and calculated fighters and had a distinct culture and social structure.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The honor the Mongol holds to the khan and his people is immense. For they are more obedient to their lords and masters, then any other either clergy or lie-people in the whole world.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Marco Polo)

The Polo family somewhat acted as servants for the Khan at the time (Kublai Khan) after traveling through the Mongol Empire, and were provided with paizas so they could safely travel back to Venice after their service.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol's built a system of roads making the path to travel on the silk roads smoother and less dangerous. This made me a Silk Road Merchant feel more safe traveling across the routes.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Enhanced the protection on the Silk Road and considered it a “free-trade zone.”

For example, it was believed that a person could walk the entire road, carrying a gold plate on their head without them getting ambushed, or the plate getting stolen

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol Empire entered Pax Mongolica, which was a century-long lasting era of peace within the Empire (13-14 centuries).

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Marco Polo)

Marco Polo documented the Mongolian “Yam System” (like a pony express/mail). He wrote that the men delivering mail would wear belts with bells on them so people could prepare to take in their packages/letters. It was very efficient!

Side: Civilized
1 point

The mongols spread general knowledge, such as literature, medicine, philosophy and mathematics across their empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

the Mongolian people to be quite advanced in food storage and trade compared to their European counterparts in addition to being well adapted to their harsh climate. This has to do with combing cultures and beliefs across the trade routes.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols had a centralized power. They also used single inter-regional laws for all of their conquered territories making it easier to keep their people in check.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongol armies were very strategic and thought out, allowing them to be successful in battle

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols's also allowed the silk roads to go into its 3rd golden age, therefore, I as a Silk Road Merchant, traded more goods and prospered more economically.

Side: Civilized
1 point

very skilled and powerful army, improved roads and built canals

Side: Civilized
1 point

I agree with this comment, Gegis Khan did have many roads and bridges built throughout the Mongol Empire, and even though the Mongol army was small (100,000-125,000 soldiers) they were skilled in using horses and creating a seige weapons.

Side: Civilized

(Genghis Khan) Mandated the use of written “Mongolian” to further strengthen the nation

Side: Civilized
1 point

I Nasir al-Din al-Tusi a Persian philosopher married a Mongol and was then put in charge of the ministry of religious bequests.

Side: Civilized

(Genghis Khan) Unification between separate land was very important; linked East and West culturally and physically, with bridges.

Side: Civilized
1 point

They showed mercy to those who didn't fight them and just surrendered.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Armies were very loyal to each other and to the great Khan

Side: Civilized
PaytonWin(12) Disputed
3 points

I kindly disagree because Mongols followed a strict war code that killed their own soldier. They may have been kind but one inhumane rule they used was if a soldier left another one behind that soldier would be killed.

Side: Uncivilized

Created a fast and efficient mode of communication: Yam system.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The Mongols had the largest contiguous land empire in history. It spread from the heartland of Europe to the Pacific Ocean(around 11 million miles).

Side: Civilized
1 point

I, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi witnessed the fall of the Abbasid caliphate and after, I gained the trust of Hulegu, the Mongolian chief.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongols admired trade, Mongol soldiers went on to protect the Silk Road trade route, increasing the saftey and integrity of the trade.

Side: Civilized
1 point

they were tolerant of many religions, funded the advancement of medicine and astronomy

Side: Civilized

(Xu Heng) I was appointed by Kublai Khan as the president of the Imperial Academy and respected as the leading scholar in the court.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Rashid al-Din) The Mongols were fierce warriors. My illustrations show them on their horses and with their bows, being great military personnel.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Alauddin Khlji) Mongols weren't uncivilized in their military tactics I used them myself. I was one of the few rulers who didn't fear his small fleet or "gruesome" tactics because all army's used their tactics.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Mongols had the best organized army to ever exist, even though they were not the largest army. Women were more equal to men than ever so there was not much patriarchy. Mongols had also granted religious freedoms and tolerated other religions. As the Mongols expanded, these features led to the Mongols being the largest land empire in history.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Sorghaghtani Beki) When her husband died, she became the leader in his place and promoted peace throughut the Mongol empire.

Side: Civilized
1 point

I Nasir al-Din al-Tusi helped save the lives of innocent scholars and established centers of learning in Northwest Iran.

Side: Civilized
1 point

I William Rubruck record information of many of the people I interacted with on my travels, such as the powerful Great Möngke Khan. Full of life and well respected amongst the empire.

Side: Civilized

(Xu Heng) I helped facilitate the translation of Neo-Confucian ideas for the Mongol rulers.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Sorghagtani Beki) She taught her sons Confucian thought and respect, each of her sons promoted some kind of religious tolerance in each of the reigns.

Side: Civilized

(Xu Heng) I set a cultural pattern for the Mongols and it became China's legacy.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Hoelun-mother)

Since Gengis had such a respect for me, it allowed other stron-willed women to rise to positions of status and authority in the empire

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Sorhaghtani Beki) The Nobles of the Mongol Empire, allowed my sons to become heirs to the throne, and even helped them become Great Khan's.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Genghis Khan established one of the first national census and postal service.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Rashid al-Din) I wrote my book, "Collection of Chronicles," to discuss great civilizations in the world. I wrote about areas like China and India, and I also wrote about great people like the Mongols. I wrote about many years of their history and their successes.

Side: Civilized
1 point

I William Rubruck undertook my own mission to the Mongols with the dual purpose of promoting conversion to Christianity and with their religious tolerance Christianity was able to spread throught china and parts of eastern asia.

Side: Civilized
1 point

(Rashid al-Din) I believed in the Mongols and their postal system so much that I, a famous vizier, offered to take this financial burden off their hands and take care of certain parts of it so they can focus more on other things, like their army.

Side: Civilized
1 point

They were more tolerant of diversity and more merciful than Alexander the great and his soldiers.

Side: Civilized

The Mongols were the very first people to unite the East and West sides of Eurasia.

Side: Civilized

The Mongols promoted officials on basis of merit and loyalty and not by family.

Side: Civilized
1 point

The viewpoint of Persian Historian Juvaini

Entering the service of Hulego Khan, I was appointed as governor of Iraq and Khuzistan after the fall of Baghdad. I was paid well by the Mongols and looked up to Hulego. I wrote about them, their enemies, and their successors.

Side: Civilized
1 point

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Side: Civilized
0 points

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Side: Civilized
1 point

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Side: Civilized
10 points

The Mongols often destroyed entire cities to get their way. For example, Baghdad, the capital of Abbasid empire, fell to the Mongol empire after Genghis Khan’s death, resulting in many more deaths.

Side: Uncivilized
kasmioduszew(10) Disputed
1 point

If the opposing forces surrendered, not only would they still live, they would still be able to retain parts of their land after joining the Mongols.

Side: Civilized
6 points

They didn’t want many Chinese people to get high-ranking jobs and didn’t allow the Chinese to learn the Mongol language. Believed they were above the Chinese people

Side: Uncivilized
PaytonWin(12) Clarified
1 point

Mongols also didn't allow intermarriage between Chinese and Mongol citizens.

Side: Civilized
6 points

During war Mongols used harsh and inhumane tactics. These tactics included using prisoners as human shields, catapulting infected bodies on enemies, and using dead bodies to fill up enemy moats.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

They would also put prisoners in the front lines of battle.

Side: Uncivilized
4 points

The Mongols were very brutal and were estimated to have killed up to 1.6 million people

Side: Uncivilized
zacknygren(9) Disputed
1 point

Historians put this number at around 40 million people that the Mongols killed.

Side: Civilized
AbbyPiper(13) Disputed
1 point

Mongols were only Brutal if the enemy refused to surrender. If they chose to surrender they could have avoided the violence.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Every time someone would not surrender, the Mongols would annihilate them and their people.

Side: Uncivilized
4 points

The Mongols left a small cultural footprint; left no new language, no new religion, no lasting civilizations.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongols were easily assimilated by the Persians after they were conquered.

Side: Uncivilized
imadfarhat(11) Disputed
1 point

Culturally, they allowed for a numerous amount of cultural elements, such as language and religion, to thrive under their empire, maintaining these cultural elements relevance even to today.

Side: Civilized
4 points

Brought terrible devastation the eastern parts of Europe. Razed cities, cut down forests, overthrown fortresses, pulled up vines, destroyed gardens

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

Under Genghis Khan's rule, the mongols killed an estimated 2/3 of the Chinese population at the time.

Side: Uncivilized

I agree that they were incredibly brutal towards Chinese and most khans were discriminatory towards them, however under Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai, he was incredibly supportive of the Chinese and their accomplishments to the point where the Mongolians believed he was almost of a traitor.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

The Mongols destroyed cities and showed no mercy to those who fought to keep their land.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Destroyed the City of Baghdad even after they surrendered.

Side: Uncivilized
Kori_W(11) Clarified
2 points

Unless a city chose to surrender to the Mongols, they would be slaughtered. The Mongols wouldn't spare anyone, no matter if they begged to stay alive or work for the Mongols.

So, if city leaders didn't surrender, their entire civilization wiped out for good.

Side: Civilized
1 point

They would kill children, women, and even unborn child (rip from mothers womb) for the sake of conquest and taking this land.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

The mongols left the Kievan Rus region in Eastern Europe in shambles for a large portion of history.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

The Mongols ripped unborn children from the mother’s womb, and used prisoners as human shields or moat fillers to support siege engines.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

They had very harsh rules that if broken had a death penalty (if someone in front drops something and you don't pick it up you die)

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

During warfare, they would sometimes rip unborn children from wombs of mothers and use prisoners as human shields.

Side: Uncivilized
3 points

Dead bodies were catapulted over city walls when infected with a sickness.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Anyone who resisted Genghis Khan was brutally murdered in retribution.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

When a grandson of Khan-Hulegu- converted to Islam, they went from being religious tolerant to supporting massacres of other religions.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

They would slaughter whole cities if they refused to surrender. They were ruthless.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Genghis Khan brutally killed anyone who resisted him and threatened to hurt children and wives of people who did not support him.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Brutal massacres ranging from 30,000 people to 2,000,000 people.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongol domains were split into four sectors; segment 1 (China, Mongolia, Korea, and Tibet) and segment 2 (Central Asia), which had many conflicts with each other.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Genghis Khan murdered his brother after an argument over food, showing Khan's power-hungry nature.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Mongols were incredibly brutal and would kill everything in their path when conquering and would wipe out entire civilizations.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols possibly spread the plague. Since they were the ones to re-invigorate trade, it is partly their fault that it spread.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

If the people were resisting the Mongols, then the Mongols would kill all the elite and take the craftsmen.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols were uncivilized because, when they went on to onquer differetn parts of the world, when there enemies didn't surrender the Mongols kiled them without purpose.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols impacted my life as a Silk Road Merchant by invading and destroying some of the oases and trading centers along my routes. This made the journey more difficult because I needed to travel a longer distance along the dangerous terrain to get to another oasis or city.

Side: Uncivilized
carolinek(19) Disputed
1 point

The Mongols did a lot to protect merchant travelling on the Silk Roads. They provided new infrastructure and security to make it safer to travel on.

Side: Civilized
DonaChong(11) Disputed
1 point

The Mongols reinstated trade on the Silk road, and they protected the merchants. The Silk road was brought prosperity because of the Mongols.

Side: Civilized
2 points

Between 1211 and 1223, the Mongols killed more than 18.4 million people

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols were not huge fans of architecture. They had a couple cities like Karakorum that were great capitals, but they never built huge cities. They mostly stayed in yurts which were able to be moved.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

They killed 200,000 people in a single assault in Baghdad and destroyed the entire civilization.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongolian Armies would rip unborn children from mothers' wombs, and use prisoners as human shields or as moat fillers to support siege fillers.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The army brought fleas and rats carrying Black Death during their conquests, and later allowed for the disease to spread by opening trade.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Their destruction of cities in Russia had long-term, devastating economic and social impacts on them.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

The Mongols burned down Baghdad, the cultural capital of an empire. Things such as libraries and hospitals were destroyed.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Mongolian society is mostly patriarchal. marriages were usually arranged between families. Should a woman have the misfortune to be widowed it is unlikely she will remarry. Men could also practice polygamy.

Side: Uncivilized
LaurenM(12) Disputed
1 point

Mongolian society was one of the least patriarchal societies because women were granted many rights. Women and men were closer to equal than many other societies at the time. For example, they were given the right to hold power, divorce, and own land.

Side: Civilized
2 points

With the conquests Mongolian led it spread lots of diseases like the Bubonic Plague.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

tried to spread black plauge as a warfare technique, tried to trick enemies in warfare

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

I William Rubruck have noticed that courtesy does not extend to foreigners and finds that the Mongol treats all strangers with contempt and insolence.The slaughter of other people is accomplished with nothing with them.

Side: Uncivilized
alyza-ally(13) Disputed
1 point

Unless they would cooperate with them, then they were spared. Especially if they had special skills, they were recruited by the Mongols.

Side: Civilized
2 points

Resident of Balk Bukhara in 1220

My perspective of the Mongols is that they are horrible people who do no good. They did nothing but destroy the city.

A hatred was built upon the Mongols. They have not benefited him in any way.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

It was reported that at one point, Mongols would eat their own fellow soldiers if they didn't have enough food.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongols bombarded the city of Baghdad and sacked the city, killing more than 1 million people.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

In 1258, while capturing Baghdad the Mongols killed 200,000 people.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Said to have killed 2.6 million in city of Herat. Very violent to anyone not with them.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

They killed millions of people during their conquest and were ruthless when killing people who would not surrender to them.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Up to 40 million killed across Eurasia during Genghis Khan's descendants’ conquests.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongols would absorb other cultures and ideas when they conquered a new place instead of tolerating different ideas and cultures.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Mongols destroyed cultures in Bhangdad by burning down the city and filling their irrigation system with dirt, all because their ruler wouldn't surrender.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Some captives were forced to be in the front lines of battle where they were usually killed

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

If one person in one of his units disappeared/escaped the whole unit would be slaughtered.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

As a mongol warrior, the mongol army required such a large level of obedience and discipline it was an immense struggle to keep up with their ruthless demands.

Side: Uncivilized
ivanmladenov(11) Disputed
1 point

Yes however they were working on decreasing their brutal methods and weren't as cruel as they began.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Genghis Khan failed to create a single political unit out of his conquests, and his territory was left with 4 big empires, or Khanates.

Side: Uncivilized
LUKJACOB(11) Disputed
1 point

I respectfully disagree because it was not necessarily Khan's fault that his Empire broke apart into 4 different empires. This is mostly due to his grandsons being the leaders of the empire and Khan passing away after this fact.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Between 1211 and 1223, the Mongols wasted dozens of cities and wiped out more than 18.4 million people in China and surroundings alone.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Killed up to 40 million people in Eurasia (10% of the world)

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Their empire did not stay large for very long. After the death of Genghis Khan, the empire split into different groups and were not as powerful.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Genghis Khan would rather choose more talented people over his family for government compared to most other Khans.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Mongol warriors and traders carried the black plague from central Asia

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongols participated in many acts of disagreement. As mongols expanded into the sedentary world, some were influenced by sedentary cultural values and realized if they wanted to expand and rule the territories they would need to adopt intuitions and practices of sedentary groups. Others were traditionalists, wanting to maintain traditional Mongolian pastoral-nomadic values.

Side: Uncivilized
sonbhagat(11) Disputed
1 point

Even though the Mongols did in fact disagree, the Mongols did encourage debates among different worlds and used the take aways as ways to improve the empire for the better.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Qutuz, Mamluk sultan of Egypt- the Mongols had Baybars which were slaves sold to Egypt

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Most Westerners accept the stereotype of the 13th-century Mongols as barbaric plunderers intent merely to maim, slaughter, and destroy

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Khan would frequently capture people from different empires, keeping them captive or sometimes torturing them.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

During a battle in 1245 in China a Mongol fleet ran out of food so they began to eat each other. Out of 10 soldiers 1 would be eaten due to low funds and no food.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

While the Mongols captured cities, they would rip an unborn baby from its mother's womb.

Side: Uncivilized

They were conquering with a purpose: for betterment of their people.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Even though the Mongols did promote trade, and had a great respect for it, the idea of increasing the interconnectivity among trade, especially the Silk Road, the Mongols did in fact spread the Bubonic plague across Eurasia.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

During the Eurasia conquests up to millions people were killed.

Side: Uncivilized
2 points

Yes, up to almost around 40 million people were killed by the Mongols across Eurasia.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

During wars, they would destroy cities with bombs and did not care if there was any cultural significance.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

harsh rules and if resisted they would be very violent towards you

Side: Uncivilized
LUKJACOB(11) Clarified
1 point

Mongols would be violent towards enemies, rarely to their own population.

Side: Civilized
1 point

Qutuz, Mamluk sultan of Egypt- The Mongols fought against an army of previously slaved people (mamluk army) in order to gain territory.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Prince Mstislav III of Kiev)

Genghis Khan captured my two sons and me and tortured us until we died.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongolian’s attitude towards alcohol consumption is patently different to that of the western monk, they engage in ritualized drinking challenges and tease each other to drink heavily while they sing, clap their hands, stomp their feet and dance until everyone is drunk

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

“For some years I continued averse from mentioning this event, deeming it so horrible that I shrank from recording it… “ - Ibn al-Athir (referring to his experience with Mongolian invasion.)

Side: Uncivilized

The Mongols had thought out their plans rather than running into countries blindly.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

A Franciscan friar, who in 1245 went to seek out the Great Khan in the hope of persuading him to become a Christian, reported that during a siege of a Chinese city, a Mongol army ran out of food and ate one of every ten of its own soldiers.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Frequent ultimatums were sent to rulers whose lands were in the Mongol advance informing the recipient that they were part of the world-empire of the Mongols

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Alauddin Khlji)I was in constant battle with the Mongol forces that constantly tormented Delhi. They destroyed culture, religion, and human lives at every attempt they made to capture my land.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The Mongols did promote religous tolerance among the Empire, which each emperor imposed, but the Mongols did not want to get to involved in Chinese culture and tradition, and they didn't allow Chinese people to practice the Mongolian language.

Side: Uncivilized
AnnetteLekki(11) Disputed
1 point

Though they did not want to get involved they were tolerant of many religions and no one would face persecution if they practiced another religion.

Side: Civilized

Wiped out more than 18.4 million people in China and surrounding areas.

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Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Hoelun-mother)

I was abducted by a Mongol named Yesugei and taken as his wife.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Qutuz, Mamluk sultan of Egypt- The Mongols were so ruthless that even with fewer people in an army it was still hard to defeat them.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Zhao Bing) Once the Mongols had invaded, I knew there was no hope for the Song Empire.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Gabriele de Mussis -> I am an eyewitness of the siege of Kaffa by the Mongols in Europe. They were very ruthless, the first seige took the lives of 15,000 deaths.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

When Pope Innocent IV asked the Mongols to not attack the Christians, the Mongols did anyway

Side: Uncivilized

Al-Musta'sim, caliph of Baghdad in 1258: I was wrapped in a carpet and kicked and trampled to death by the army and horses, a very uncivilized way to kill someone.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Lu Xiufu) The Mongols were pushing through our population, leaving me no choice but to jump off of a cliff with the boy-king Zhao Bing, who is only 7 years old.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Ibn al-Athir) "I prayed for protection from them, they destroyed my city. I'll forever see it as the greatest catastrophe."

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Alauddin Khlji) Mongols constant war in the Punjab region was very inhumane and intolerant. They battled with me many times just to expand their land rule. They used the tactics of human shields and diseases riddled bodies to try and stop our army.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Hojo Tokimune) failed the two invasions under my families rule

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Zhao Bing) I would frequently migrate to many different countries in hopes of escaping the brutal Mongolian Army, but they were too powerful, and would easily be able to find me.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Muhammad II, Sultan of Khwarazm "Viewpoint"

After interacting with Genghis Khan, I refused to open trade relations with him because I saw this as a tactic to invade MY land. I wouldn't allow it. I also believe this because of all the horrible rumors I have been hearing about the Mongols.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Ibn al-Athir) "they are rutheless killers who destroy civilizations and cultures."

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Gabriele de Mussis -> During the siege of Kaffa, if a Mongol soldier died of infection of the black death (the plague), they would catapult this infected body over to the opposing sides' land. Because of this, during the cleanup of these bodies, many people got the black death from these infected bodies. The bodies were usually all mangled and in some cases, limbs might even have to be cut off to get the body out.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Hojo Tokimune) when they came the first time I sent them back without a written acknowledgment

Side: Uncivilized

Al-Musta'sim, caliph of Baghdad in 1258: The Mongols lied to me when they claimed that if a Mongol army was to invade, the Islamic world would rush to our aid, which didn’t happen. They still continued to massacre and destroy the city after we surrendered.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

The mongols destroyed the vast libraries, hospitals, and homes of Baghdad.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Hojo Tokimune) never lost to the Mongols, our family rule fell down from financial problems.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Gabriele de Mussis -> The Mongols didn't only do this in Kaffa at a lot of the ports in the Crimean peninsula they did this. Another thing is because of the Mongols coming and with their ruthless reputation, many people tried to flee but because of the black death and them throwing the infected bodies. Many people that left had the plague, therefore spreading it to where they went, making it very widespread.

Side: Uncivilized

Al-Musta'sim, caliph of Baghdad in 1258: Mongols burnt down libraries and the “House of Wisdom” with works and products that were translated and collected for hundreds of years during their destruction of Baghdad.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

(Hoelun-Mother)

Becuase my actions represented those of an ideal and loyal wife, women were to act this way as well towards there husbands and were not equal.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Muhammad II, Sultan of Khwarazm "Viewpoint"

After I told Genghis "no" to opening trade relations with him, he proceeded to send me emissaries (about 100-450 Muslim merchants led by a single Mongol). I think this was to emphasize his hope for trade with my city. However, I made of governor of mine openly accuse the party of spying. My soldiers then took away their luxurious goods and arrested them. Hopefully Genghis will learn that I am not interested.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Muhammad II, Sultan of Khwarazm "Viewpoints"

Genghis clearly did not get the memo. He proceeded to send me 3 messengers to, yet again, give me a chance to open trade with them. These messengers threatened me by saying that if I didn't give him a chance to disclaim all knowledge of my governor's actions and handed him over to his city for punishment, then I would regret it! Ha! I ended up killing his envoy and even decided to put his merchant party to death, including the Muslims.

However, these events led to Genghis attacking my city with 100,000-150,000 men!

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Background of Balk Bukhara: Ali was buried in a secret place where no one knew. One day his followers worried somebody discovered where his body was, so they removed it from the place, put it on a camel and headed east. The camel eventually dropped and they buried Ali right there and the location was lost.

Later on, a man living in the area had a dream where Ali appeared to him and revealed the reburial site near the city of Balkh. It was confirmed, so a shrine was then built and a city founded.

Around 1220, Genghis Khan came and destroyed the Mosque and city.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

They had one of the biggest empires in history that was built on violence and bloodshed.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

While they occupied China, they treated Chinese people as inferiors and prevented them from holding any position of power.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

Resident of Balk Bukhara in 1220

The founder of the religion of Zoroastrianism was also killed by invadings. Mongols had negatively impacted his life because his city was destroyed, leaving people to have to rebuild and regain their city back, build new mosque to be able to practice their religion. The Mongols were more enemies than they were friends/alliances.

Side: Uncivilized
1 point

There were not civilized because they tortured people to put fear on the opposite forces, they even killed so many women and children to conquer states. Even if people surrendered, they treat them badly.

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Side: Uncivilized