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 What IS True Evil? (47)

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What IS True Evil?

Free your mind of all your culture and religion upbringing- think like you grew up on a deserted island.  I mean is killing someone evil?  What if they were a serial killer?  Is having babies evil?  What if your country is overpopulated and miserable?

I’ll let y’all mull that over awhile then I will give you the answer to it.
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4 points

Evil isn't real. All humans are the product of naturalistic causes such as genes and environment. In a fucking technical reality of cause and effect physics where we accept that humans are just bioelectrical machines we can clearly see that good and evil are primitive unscientific concepts. They are based on the assumption that humans are responsible for their own thoughts and behaviour and that there is an objective standard for morality. Morality doesn't exist in nature accept in the minds of humans.

kathryn_m001(5) Disputed
1 point

evil is real. I see demonic faces and have for quite some time. and yes I am sane,

1 point

Evil isn't real.

I wouldn't say evil isn't real, but just that evil is subjective.

Amarel(5104) Clarified
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They are based on the assumption that humans are responsible for their own thoughts and behaviour and that there is an objective standard for morality.

Humans are not responsible for the kind of fundemental person they are, but the person they are is responsible for the decisions they make.

PeterJoseph(77) Disputed
1 point

If you can't control what kind of person you are then you can't determine what kind of decisions you make you fucking idiot.

Amarel(5104) Clarified
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where we accept that humans are just bioelectrical machines we can clearly see that good and evil are primitive unscientific concepts

Failure to accept the existence of experiential cognition is unscientific. Human morality is a product of human minds, which is exactly why it is objectively relevant to the existence of humans. Good an evil are emotionally charged expressions of benefit and detriment. Both of which are very real. Both of which require the emotional attachment that humans give them. In a very real sense, good and evil exists.

Narutochakra(52) Disputed
3 points

Failure to accept the existence of experiential cognition is unscientific.

"Experiential cognition" exists, but it is not real for the same reason that when you imagine a purple walrus sunbathing on your roof it is not real, even though the fact that you are imagining it is real. When you imagine something or perceive something subjectively, it is not an accurate representation of reality. The fact that being incorrect exists doesn't make incorrect correct.

Human morality is a product of human minds, which is exactly why it is objectively relevant to the existence of humans.

The existence of God is a product of human minds, which is exactly why it is objectively relevant to the existence of humans. You are a subjective moron.

Good an evil are emotionally charged expressions of benefit and detriment. Both of which are very real.

Yes but benefit and detriment are subjective. Something can only be beneficial or detrimental when you have a certain goal or priority in mind, there is no objective standard of benefit and detriment, what benefits you could be a detriment to others and vice versa. Benefit and detriment are not real on any objective tangible level, they are little more than imaginary. The objective reality of the universe doesn't care what you think is beneficial or detrimental.

In a very real sense, good and evil exists.

In a very imaginary sense good and evil is a subjective contrivance of the human brain. It is not that any of this shit is real, it is the perception of it that is real.

TzarPepe(792) Disputed
-1 points

The human mind is completely natural, morality exists from the nature of mind.

What I am getting out of what you are saying is that morality actually does exist in nature.

What you think of as being real isn't real, and what you think of as being evil is not evil.

Evil is real.

Evil is falsehood.

Good is the truth

All men are liars, let God be Good.

joebloggs Disputed
0 points

The human mind is completely natural, morality exists from the nature of mind.

So how do you explain people who have different moral standards than you do?

How do you explain people who have no moral standards at all?

If you think I am immoral and I think you are immoral then which one of us is right?

2 points

I agree with peterjoseph that true evil doesn't exist, for similar reasons.

However, if I had to give a different answer I would say that true immorality is to think something is morally wrong but to do it anyway.

I think murder is wrong, so if I murder someone I would say that is bad. If someone doesn't think murder is wrong, and murders someone, I wouldn't say that is bad.

Time for me to chime in here. As I expected, the Christian responders can’t clear their mind even for a moment from that brainwashing- man that’s some heavy shit. If u can blank slate the mind of all earthly knowledge- evil is what causes suffering both in magnitude and numbers. THATS IT! So if you fight against birth control then you are evil. If you suppress progressive science - you are evil. If you fight the right for terminally ill to end their life peacefully- you are evil. If you are a fat cat banker that finagles people out of hard earned money and indebt them at high interest (rape) - yes you are evil.

Notice this reflects most things organized religion does as part of doctrine. Evil that would not be if people had no religion. A completely neutral animal will not go out of their way to interfere with your life in any way except maybe to feed themselves

1 point

Free your mind of all your culture and religion upbringing- think like you grew up on a deserted island. I mean is killing someone evil?

I cannot do that because abandoning what I believe is utter foolishness. To deny that would mean that I would make my own meaning on what is good, and bad and that is called relativism or subjective morality. It has no logical basis or foundation on which it adheres to which results into actually no worth, value, or dignity.

To answer the question though. True evil is rebellion against Jesus Christ that is true evil.

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If you do not have any concept of good and evil, that means that your only moral compass can be personal whim. You say that you don't believe in good and evil, but what that really means is that evil is simply whatever you are averse to, and good is simply whatever you are attracted to. You may not call it these things, but the fact that you are a discerning creature is solid proof that you must have some sense of good and evil.

Definition of evil

"morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked"

Definition of moral

"of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical"

Definition of ethics

"the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation"

Definition of right

"conforming to facts or truth : correct"

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is what is TRUE, This is The True Good.

So if God is always good, and God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, what is morally evil?

Forsaking The Truth, and bowing down to these useless idols, false gods, and created things. To embrace wickedness is to prefer the lie over The Truth.

Make no mistake though, God has no opposite, equal, or anything comparable. It is God who created good and the evil, and God stands alone, singular as The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, and there is no other. Morality has to do with our relationship with God.

What is morally good ? To LOVE THE TRUTH.

What is morally evil? To forsake the love of truth and embrace delusion.

Loving others comes very naturally from loving God, as those who are honest about the truth come to realize how by condemning others, they condemn themselves because they are just as guilty.

Condemnation comes from the devil, but conviction comes from The Holy Spirit, that Spirit of Truth. Conviction leads to repentance, the turning away from wickedness and turning towards righteousness. The Righteous One is God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.