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 What a shock, the Democrat party supports forcing businesses to pay $15 minimum wage! (58)

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What a shock, the Democrat party supports forcing businesses to pay $15 minimum wage!

Just one more Democrat Socialist agenda forced onto private businesses. No shock that the two most Liberal states, California and New York are the first ones to force the $15 minimum wage. I wonder if Liberals are truly that clinically stupid, or they are that corrupt.

 

What will happen when companies are forced to pay at least $15 an hour to all their employees? Companies are starting to tell us what they will have to do. They will of course raise the costs of their products whether it be food, gas, or basically every staple we use in our daily lives.(INFLATION)

 

They also said they would have to automate more of their businesses which will cost people their jobs! Where will those people go for new jobs? They will go to WELFARE where Democrts keep trying to make it an easier more fulfilling lifestyle without the need to WORK! What will more and more people on welfare do to our property taxes? Obamacare has added millions of people onto medicaid costing tax payers higher and higher property taxes.

 

Are you mind numbingly stupid enough to swallow the lies coming out of Democrat's mouths?(remember if you like your Doctor and your insurance you can keep it, and your preminums will go down) LOL, what corrupt liars!

 

These people working minimum wage jobs will not get off welfare and start supporting themselves because the inflation created by this mandate will raise the cost of living to poor people as well as the middle class. Democrats will once again raise the low income wage limit(tied to inflation and the whims of Democrats) which will keep these same people on welfare and medicaid.

It's a hedious cycle with one goal in mind. To redistribute hard working American's money to bring everyone's earnings income levels to equal status regardless the work and stress and abilities demanded by the once higher paying jobs.

 

Can mindless Democrats understand the merit system? Can they understand the simple fact that more demanding, more stressful jobs demand MORE MONEY or no one will take those jobs. I have already heard of people saying they will no longer work a more stressful job for a few more dollars an hour if they can just get a mnimum wage job with no stress that pays $15 per hour.

 

What will happen in states where they have the sense not to raise minimum wage to such ludicrous hieghts? Will people move to states where they can still get a Big Mack that does not cost what used to cost for dinner out at a nice restaurant?

 

Government destroys most everything it touches and these extreme Liberals running the Democrat party are bent on a socialist ideology.

If you don't start electing Conservatives with common sense then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM AND THE CAUSE OF OUR NATION'S FALL.

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Firnen Banned
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Government destroys most everything it touches

Yeah good thing Conservatives aren't running the Government otherwise it'd be everything it touches.

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Government destroys most everything it touches and these extreme Liberals running the Democrat party are bent on a socialist ideology.

The "hands off" government approach has failed though. What will work? The Democrats have "solutions". People will get behind solutions even if they are flawed. The Republican attitude that companies will take care of their employees without government intervention is failing. This is Obamacare all over again. Democrats can propose anything at this point and it will succeed. Do you have the real solution?

Troy8(2431) Disputed
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The "hands off" government approach has failed though.

Explain.

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We have that now and nothing but complaining. The wealth gap has expanded incredibly. Businesses can do whatever they want without regulations, lose everything, go bankrupt, and then get bailed out. Cable companies don't bother competing with each other, people don't get choices, prices go up.

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FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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As always, you stand up for the controlling Democrat party forcing their will on private business while you call yourself a Conservtive! LOL, what a joke you are!

We had the greatest economy in the world with far fewer people living off welfare when the free market had the freedom to run their own affairs. We had a majority of families together when there were actual middle class jobs before Democrts taxed them out of the country. You spew the same lies that the Left constantly spews trying to tell people the free market did not work.

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As always, you stand up for the controlling Democrat party forcing their will on private business

As always, you can't read. I do not support a minimum wage. I am able to understand that things I am not in favor of can pass without my support, like Obamacare.

We had the greatest economy in the world with far fewer people living off welfare when the free market had the freedom to run their own affairs.

When was this? The free market is available now to run their own affairs.

We had a majority of families together when there were actual middle class jobs before Democrts taxed them out of the country.

When was this? Taxes are at a low point in history now.

You spew the same lies that the Left constantly spews trying to tell people the free market did not work.

No, I actually look at history.

I spewed no lies. Read what I wrote. The Democrats have a way to fix the current economy. All they need to do is present something. It doesn't have to work. Your idea is to go back to what we were doing during an unspecified time period.

Firnen Banned
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HOGWASH LIE!...........................................................................................

You actually have good points. It is a shame you spoil it with all the insults and unwillingness to engage in debate with those that disagree.

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Minimum wage can be an effective means of stimulating the economy and increasing personal well being. Increasing people's income can combat stagnation and inflation by increasing the flow of money through the economy (i.e. more money in one's pocket the more they are likely to spend). Also, by increasing personal income, it lowers the number of people on social welfare programs; such as social security, food stamps, welfare, and subsidized health care. In regards to personal well being, raising the minimum wage increases intrinsic motivation for doing the job (which also increases productivity), increases proper nutrition, more vacation time, access to education - more money to be set aside for college and ability for those return to education, and overall happiness.

PS: I am a democrat and I am NOT a socialist. I believe in the capitalistic system. Also, if this country is to fall it wont be just from democrats, its from both liberals and conservatives.

Cartman(18191) Disputed
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Where is the money coming from? If an owner has 100 employees making $7.50 and the minimum wage goes up to $15 he goes from having to pay $750 to $1500. Where does he get the extra $750/hr? There are 3 options: take it out of his own salary, bring in more money to cover expenses, or fire people. The only option that won't hurt the economy is him giving up his own money. If he can't or doesn't want to he will raise prices to bring in more money which makes the new raise worthless since everything costs more, or he fires people and the economy fails to get stimulated.

PS: I am a democrat and I am NOT a socialist.

To a Republican any attempt to get more money for people without lowering taxes is socialism.

KOMfs(35) Clarified
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It would depend on the economical model you ascribe to. I believe the basic model behind the raising of the minimum wage relies on the fact that it will increase consumerism (increased cash flow) which goes back to businesses (capital). It would essentially fund itself.

Economics is basically a pseudoscience. The system is too complex to qualify so people pick an interpretation based on personal or academic assumptions and hope for the best.

Arguing for a specific model should be an academic endeavor as assumptions are more readily presented in those.

I guess my point just highlights the fundamental weakness of democracy. People are unable to make informed choices simply because no person can be an expert in every field and no expert can make the best or better decision in many aspects of governance.

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I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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You are a walking talking poster child for the Democrat party rhetoric. You did not address one point I made. INFLATION will be a direct result of everything costing more. These people who have more money will PAY MORE money for everything they buy. THINK just once in your life instead of blindly listening to the PROVEN liars in the Democrat party.

Tell me why you are a Democrat. Is it becuase you want the choice to have late term abortions for any reason and have their organs sold by Planned parenthood (the Democrat party refuses to take a stand aganst this debauchery).

Do you like being forced to pay for abortions?

Do you like having the tax payers forced to subsidise you?

Do you like having a corrupt Government taking our guns and making it much more difficult to defend ourselves?

Do you like paying huge amounts more for healthcare just so low income people can have their free birth control, abortions, vision and mental health paid for?

Do you like a party tht constantly race bates for the Black vote no matter how much damge it does to racial tensions. We have come a long way in race relations and these idiots in the Democrat party want to take us back to the tensions of the rampant racism going on decades ago.

PLEASE WAKE UP!

Tell me one law Conservtives have past in your lifetime that has taken away our rights and freedoms. I could give you many many laws passed by Democrats.

You are just repeating the lies from people to excuse their inhumnity when they vote for Democrats.

Conservatives are a thousand times better than Liberals because they believe in SMALLER Government and freedom to the people. The very thing our Constitution stands for.

Do you actually believe the lie that Democrats are more compassionate to the poor? LOL, is keeping people tied to welfare for their vote compassionate? Our families are far worse off with no fathers at home etc. since this so called compssionate Progressive movement has taken hold.

SprinkleVII(15) Disputed
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Part One

To begin inflation is due to lack of wealth spread not higher prices, though higher prices do rise from inflation.

I am a Democrat because I believe in giving people a second chance, and helping people. From an economic view, I believe in the capitalistic system because it is the system that lasts with giving people the most economic freedom, but I do not believe one should have to live a destitute life because they cant get a living wage, regulation is necessary to protect consumers, business leaders, and workers, while a worker deserves a pension when he retires , and should not be thrown onto the street because they are injured.

I am not blind in my views. I have a father who is a state legislator, so I see the inner workings of politics on a regular basis. I actively seek out non-partisan and astute news sources, and even research and watch fox news.

I do not believe that if one does not vote democrat they are inhumane. I have many friends who are conservative. Also , I would vote for a republican if I thought he would be a better statesman (or woman) and would bring productive debate to the table.

14giraffes(87) Disputed
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Only 3% of planned parenthood's budget goes to abortion, and by law none of that is funded by the government. (source)

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WTF? $15 an hour is about the people, how is this bad for you in anyway?

Why wouldn't you want to help yourself and others live a better life?

Your are so fucking angry at anything anti right wing that you would dislike something positive if it goes against your bigoted close minded party line., you are a goddamn fool like for real on the major level, I can understand social issues but a pay increase for all for Americans that choose to work?

I am starting to thing you are nothing more then a fucking troll, if not your a goddam idiot judging by all your post.

Oh and Ban me from this post I don't give a shit, that is all you do, you ban everyone that disagrees with you because you are no true debater you are a close minded fool that is not willing to debate and learn from others with an open mind, you only care about party agenda even if it goes against you own logic, people like you are whats wrong with the world.

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I am starting to thing you are nothing more then a fucking troll

I have some really bad news for you. Not only is he not a troll, he represents a decent amount of Republicans.

FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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What a fool! Who do you think wil pay for $15. per hour? You can not be that big a moron can you? The prices on everything we buy WILL GO UP! Those minimum wage jobs are not suppose to raise a family. They are beginning jobs. If you want to blame someone, blame democrats for taxing good paying manufacturing jobs out of America.

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Yes.

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Hi nom.*

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$15 an hour for $15 an hour work. If you do $7 an hour work, why would you be paid $15 an hour? Go get a $15 an hour job...

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$15 an hour for $15 an hour work. If you do $7 an hour work, why would you be paid $15 an hour? Go get a $15 an hour job...

If you pay everyone $20 an hour, no one will do anything other than the easy jobs. No one will be the machinist, construction worker, etc. Everyone will be the flier passer outter...

And if I can't get a flier passer outter job, your liberal utopia just died. It's still unfair. It still sucks. And let's just ignore that all the companies now fled to other countries to give shit wages.

Ok. I agree with you, but I don't think doing nothing will work either. Right now, someone living on minimum wage cannot live adequately. Try living a year on minimum wage, or do some research-- it's clearly not enough.

That said, the points you've made still stand. Raising the minimum wage is not a guarantee to to boost the economy, and it is likely to leave us in the same situation. But what we have now doesn't work. Do you have another solution? Because if doing nothing or raising the minimum wage both lead to bad things,

If the minimum wage had continued being adjusted for inflation since 1968, it should be $21.60 an hour. Just so you know. source

FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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Doing nothing does not lead to bad things. Minimum wage has nothing to do with our lack of manufacturing jobs in this nation. THERE IN lies the problem.

We should be debating what will bring back those higher paying jobs to this nation once more, not putting more regulations on business to pay higher minimum wage.

I totally believe that higher taxes and regulations have driven those manufacuring jobs out of this nation. This latest forcing of $15 per hour on our businesses will do the same thing. Drive them to other countries.

Democrats keep playing the class warfare game telling you that we must tax and regulate these corporations to spread the wealth. LOL.... Democrats know full well every time they tax or regulate busnesses more, the products they make go up in price or they lay of people, or they automate their business more which costs jobs, or they leave this nation to friendlier lower taxed, lower labor cost nations. You can not expect any corporaton will simply pay more to their employees with their own personal income. THAT'S LUDICROUS!

Democrat know this full well, they just play you like fools. Democrats get just as much money from corporations and labor unions as do the GOP. They are just too hypocritical to admit it. They like playing politics with low end voters who can not think.

You will never be banned if you do not deny the obvious! Example? When I talk to the majority of Liberals on this site and i say the sexual revolution, the one night hook ups, people sleeping round with others when there is no love between them, etc. are the main reasons for our bloated welfare roles. Swolen with single mothers and children with no fathers to support them.

The people i ban can not even admit that simple truth.

When I say the Democrat party is the one keeping late term abortions for any reason legal, they deny it.

When I say the Demorcat party is the main reason tax payers are forced to pay for abortions, they deny it and they go so far to say we are not forced to pay for abortions through medicaid, etc.

I REFUSE to debate mindless deniers of simple truth. What could I possibly say to people like that? It matters not what I say because they will simply deny it as does the likes of Obama when asked about Obamacare and how it would effect our current insurance or cost us more in premiums. TOTAL LIAR! The things I say are obvious if you have lived on this planet these past 30 years.

Doing nothing does not lead to bad things. Minimum wage has nothing to do with our lack of manufacturing jobs in this nation. THERE IN lies the problem.

We should be debating what will bring back those higher paying jobs to this nation once more, not putting more regulations on business to pay higher minimum wage.

I totally believe that higher taxes and regulations have driven those manufacuring jobs out of this nation. This latest forcing of $15 per hour on our businesses will do the same thing. Drive them to other countries.

Democrats keep playing the class warfare game telling you that we must tax and regulate these corporations to spread the wealth. LOL.... Democrats know full well every time they tax or regulate busnesses more, the products they make go up in price or they lay of people, or they automate their business more which costs jobs, or they leave this nation to friendlier lower taxed, lower labor cost nations. You can not expect any corporaton will simply pay more to their employees with their own personal income. THAT'S LUDICROUS!

Democrat know this full well, they just play you like fools. Democrats get just as much money from corporations and labor unions as do the GOP. They are just too hypocritical to admit it. They like playing politics with low end voters who can not think.

Cartman(18191) Disputed
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Doing nothing does not lead to bad things.

False. Look at current economy.

We should be debating what will bring back those higher paying jobs to this nation once more, not putting more regulations on business to pay higher minimum wage.

I agree. Where is your fucking solution? Start the fucking debate before liberals win.

I totally believe that higher taxes and regulations have driven those manufacuring jobs out of this nation.

Can't be, we got rid of the high taxes and regulations.

Democrats keep playing the class warfare game telling you that we must tax and regulate these corporations to spread the wealth.

And the real solution is ...

LOL.... Democrats know full well every time they tax or regulate busnesses more, the products they make go up in price or they lay of people, or they automate their business more which costs jobs, or they leave this nation to friendlier lower taxed, lower labor cost nations.

You fucking idiot. They don't fucking know this. Are you out of your fucking mind? Why would you consider someone you treat with so much hate as being that fucking smart?

You can not expect any corporaton will simply pay more to their employees with their own personal income. THAT'S LUDICROUS!

That's the only way the middle and lower class can survive.

Democrats get just as much money from corporations and labor unions as do the GOP. They are just too hypocritical to admit it. They like playing politics with low end voters who can not think.

Is this an admission that you are a low end voter that follows the party the definitely takes corporate money?

FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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You just finally admitted how naive you truly are... you just said in your coarse gutter way & I will try to clean it up.... "You f.... idiot. They don't f...... know this. Are you out of your f..... mind? Why would you consider someone you treat with so much hate as being that f.... smart?

Normally I might ban people who lack the intellect to speak wthout swearing like idiots but I will respond.

Liberals are not stupid people in the sense of not understanding what is going on. THEY LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON, IT IS THEIR SOCIALISTIC IDEOLOGY!

Where they are so arrogant and dangerous is that they actually think they can force the people to bow to their Liberal agendas, and the people not finding ways to get out from under their oppressive hand.

They think business will just cave in under the force of big Government, and transform our entire capitalistic system to one of redistribution of wealth. They actually think businesses will not move out of our nation to find friendlier places, and when they do leave the country, Liberals try to make laws preventing them from setting up shop in other nations and getting out of paying taxes here.

I gave you the answers and you lack the intellect to GET IT! I told you that higher taxes and regulations ARE THE PROBLEM and you sit there making mindless remarks like "and the real solution is..." or "Can't be, we got rid of the high taxes and regulations"

WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAXED NATION IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO CORPORATE TAX! We got rid of nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the answer and you can explain this a million ways to Liberal Democrats and they will spit in your face because THEY DON'T CARE what the answer is! They want a Socialistic system where Government will redistribute the wealth, Government wil tell business what to pay their employees, etc.

Liberls believe they know best how we should live and spend our money and are arrogant enough fools to not care how it strips our personal freedoms.

WAKE UP! This is why I ban them..... there is no explaining the problems to them, there is no enlightening them.

I am on this site to hopefully enlighten those who are not yet brinwashed Liberals and who can still think for themsellves and maybe think about what they support when they vote for Democrats.

You actually think you can get through to these Liberals by giving them examples of how they are wrong. LOL, get real!

We have Planned Parenthood admitting on video what they are doing and these fool Liberals just deny it or justify it away. THERE IS NO EDUCATING THESE PROGRESSIVE FOOLS!

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I would like to talk about the Ban policy. There have been statements that you (FromWithin) will ban people who disagree with you. The concept regarding freedom of expression is that all people should be allowed to speak, this is regardless of faith, background, or creed. By banning people you restrict the spread of legitimate ideas and information, especially in a forum such as this which is built around the free exchange of Ideas. Not to mention the execution of laws can't be arbitrary, and based on whether one agrees with the thoughts or not.

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Yes.

FromWithin(8266) Disputed
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My ban policy is my right to not waste my time on my argument talking to complete indoctrinted Liberals who deny the obvious, who lie and decieve constantly to make themselves right.

I have every right to keep certain people from destroying intellectual debates with their lies. If you don't agree, stay out of my arguments. I have not banned you have I? I will only do so when you start twisting the truth or denying the obvious.

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its the DemocratIC party... your words betray your bias.

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as for a living wage, it used to be a republican plank...

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what happened to you guys?

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doing too much koch?

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You just finally admitted how naive you truly are... you just said in your coarse gutter way & I will try to clean it up.... "You f.... idiot. They don't f...... know this. Are you out of your f..... mind? Why would you consider someone you treat with so much hate as being that f.... smart?

Normally I might ban people who lack the intellect to speak wthout swearing like idiots but I will respond.

Liberals are not stupid people in the sense of not understanding what is going on. THEY LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON, IT IS THEIR SOCIALISTIC IDEOLOGY!

Where they are so arrogant and dangerous is that they actually think they can force the people to bow to their Liberal agendas, and the people not finding ways to get out from under their oppressive hand.

They think business will just cave in under the force of big Government, and transform our entire capitalistic system to one of redistribution of wealth. They actually think businesses will not move out of our nation to find friendlier places, and when they do leave the country, Liberals try to make laws preventing them from setting up shop in other nations and getting out of paying taxes here.

I gave you the answers and you lack the intellect to GET IT! I told you that higher taxes and regulations ARE THE PROBLEM and you sit there making mindless remarks like "and the real solution is..." or "Can't be, we got rid of the high taxes and regulations"

WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAXED NATION IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO CORPORATE TAX! We got rid of nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the answer and you can explain this a million ways to Liberal Democrats and they will spit in your face because THEY DON'T CARE what the answer is! They want a Socialistic system where Government will redistribute the wealth, Government wil tell business what to pay their employees, etc.

Liberls believe they know best how we should live and spend our money and are arrogant enough fools to not care how it strips our personal freedoms.

WAKE UP! This is why I ban them..... there is no explaining the problems to them, there is no enlightening them.

I am on this site to hopefully enlighten those who are not yet brinwashed Liberals and who can still think for themsellves and maybe think about what they support when they vote for Democrats.

You actually think you can get through to these Liberals by giving them examples of how they are wrong. LOL, get real!

We have Planned Parenthood admitting on video what they are doing and these fool Liberals just deny it or justify it away. THERE IS NO EDUCATING THESE PROGRESSIVE FOOLS!

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What's so sick is that your priorities are so screwed up. You sit there and bring up things such as how terrorist murderers are treated in prison. You talk about the Patriot act that passed in order to save American lives from Terrorists! These are your priorities?

You worry more about these types of things rather than Baby organ's being sold after killing the Baby. You care nothing that people of faith and those with a coscience are forced to pay for the Abortions?

You care nothing for the fact that Democrats want to take our right's to protect ourselves with guns.(gun free zones have proven to not work). They have forced us to lock up our guns in a cabinet, put a trigger lock on our guns and keep the ammunition locked away in a different place. My family will be dead before i could ever get my gun to protect them.

Your local democratic caucuses mean nothing when it is the big Federal government making the laws that take our gun rights from us. The more Liberal states like New York and California are already making stricter gun laws. It has already been proven that in the most strict gun law cities, there is more gun violence! Wake up!

Have you ever heard the statement book smart but common sense STUPID? Well the Liberal professors are doing a good job indoctrinting you and other young adults.

Wait till you have to start paying the huge property and income taxes when you support yourself and then I hope you get some sense in your head before it is too late.

Will you like being forced to pay for very expensive health insurnce in your healthy years just to subsidise people who refuse to work?

Wake up to the fanatical control Democrats. We are losing our freedoms one by one.

Cartman(18191) Disputed
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You sit there and bring up things such as how terrorist murderers are treated in prison.

It is a protected right in the constitution.

You talk about the Patriot act that passed in order to save American lives from Terrorists!

It is only ever used to catch drug users.

You worry more about these types of things rather than Baby organ's being sold after killing the Baby.

You are the reason why America isn't number 1 in science any more.

You care nothing that people of faith and those with a coscience are forced to pay for the Abortions?

It is hard to care about something that isn't happening. You don't care about the aliens who destroyed the White House.