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 What are the benefits/disadvantages of veganism? Is it un/natural? (33)

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What are the benefits/disadvantages of veganism? Is it un/natural?

As a vegan, I'm curious to see what others' opinions are on this topic. I can argue veganism until I'm blue in the face; I guarantee that I can argue any point that anybody can make against veganism. Let's just see what you argument-loving people can come up with!

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Any diet or eating system that requires you to take extra vitamins and pills in order to supplement what you eat, is in my opinion, a very questionable diet.

Also note that veganism by choice, is an idea only to be found in developed countries where people are spoiled for choice. It usually starts to emerge when people no longer have to produce their own food, i.e. the moment the supermarket arrives in town. Cause let's face it, until that happens, you cannot really be picky...

I personally don't have a problem with it, its your right to choose what you want to eat. What does annoy me though, is when people start preaching it onto others, "meat is murder" etc. It's so arrogant, up minded and self-righteous. I didn't climb all the way up the food chain in order to be told I shouldn't eat what I want.

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Where did you hear that the vegan way of eating required extra vitamins and pills to supplement what you eat?

As I celebrate my two-year vegan anniversary, I am proud to say that I have never been anemic. I have never been deficient in any vitamin, and I have never taken a vitamin supplement. I have never been tired or run-down, although I was underweight for several months after becoming vegan as a result of my body learning to process its fats differently.

There are three main reasons I'm vegan. In order of importance, they are ethics, environment, and personal health.

As I've grown as a vegan and become more aware of and active in the vegan community, I've completely done a 180. When I first went vegan, it was because of factory farm conditions, so I thought that when I went to Sweden, I'd be eating the meat my grandfather hunted, etc. I've come to equate a non-human animal with a human animal. I believe firmly that their lives are equal. Animals do not exist to benefit humans. They are not our slaves. This is speciesism, and this is terrible, and this must end. I now understand that I truly love animals, unlike before.

I didn't even realize there was a health factor until after I went vegan. As I was reading about veganism, I kept stumbling across all of these articles and statistics about how terrible meat is for you. I mean, everyone knows that too much red meat is bad for you, but this shit causes cancer? And worse? I had no idea. And milk is basically fatty and pussy (as in filled with pus) and gross and also terrible for you. And eggs? Cholesterol everywhere.

I last learned about the environmental factor. Get this: the animal agriculture industry produces more greenhouse gases than all of the automobiles and trucks in the world. I mean, that's insane! Unbelievable amounts of pollution are coming out of this corrupt business.

The best choice I ever made was going vegan.

I refuse to become the "preacher" that everybody hates and hope to lead by example. I also cannot stand People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and I think they should burn. Whenever somebody tells me that they could "never give those things up," I just remind them that in my pregan years, I chowed down on ribs, steaks, lamb chops, and absolutely loved it all. My grandfather is a hunter! I used to make fun of vegetarians! And now here I am.

In case anybody actually cares about learning the facts on veganism, I recommend http://www.tryveg.com/cfi/toc/, the Compassion Over Killing (COK) website dedicated to converting omnivores. "Earthlings" is also a fantastic movie to watch. I will recommend the PETA website http://www.goveg.com/

Side: Go vegan Save everything
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You know there are essential nutrients that are in meats that you cannot get in plants, right? B-12 is one example.

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Pineapple(1449) Disputed
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Of course it's not the best diet. The best diet would be mostly veggie with small amounts of meat and dairy.

But it's an okay diet.

Side: Go vegan Save everything
1 point

Actually, B-12 is synthesized by bacteria that is abundant in meat, because meat is dirty, and more difficult to find in vegetables because of how thoroughly they're cleaned.

Side: Go vegan Save everything
2 points

Just so you know, it's not meat alone that causes any cancer whatsoever. Besides a combination of a weak digestive and/or immune system, in most cases it can be from the bacteria, parasites and flukes that inhabit in meat and are consumed when eaten when not cooked properly. And in case you forgot, the same "bugs" you can get from meat are also in plenty of vegetables. However, Just like eating too much meat can cause some serious digestive disturbances, so can eating too much of vegetables in a day. Vitamin overloads are just as toxic.

Side: Plants can't give you everything
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Veganism makes you feel better, it's great for the environment, it's cheap, it's animal friendly and discourages factory farming, and it's a great diet.

Side: Plants can't give you everything

Well..., lets think about all the animals that are vegans like the hippo, the elephant, the cow. Now lets think about all the carnivores like the cheetah, the lion, the eagle. I don't know about you but I know which group I'd like to belong to ;)

Side: more meat for me
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Haha, wouldn't you say the difference between those two sets of animals is their ability of...speed? haha. If a hippo fell on a rabbit (by accident, hehe) and killed it, would it actually not eat it? I dunno. Just wondering. haha.

Side: more meat for me
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Well, I was a vegan for a year. But I went through some serious deficiencies to the point I was dreaming about chicken. So, I had to give it up in order to gain my sanity back. It wasn't worth focusing on a specific diet to sacrifice my sanity. But anyhow, I'll pull out the argument that eating meat IS natural, but as natural as not eating it. I won't say being a vegetarian is unnatural, it can be perfectly healthy if you follow all the specific guidelines to make it healthy. Ones reason for being a vegetarian though, is another issue. If someone was doing it because they think eating a piece of a chicken is bad, then that alone, has its flaws.

Side: more meat for me
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You don't necessarily have to be super strict about it.

For example I call myself a pseudo-vegetarian. Most of my meals are vegetarian. But when I go out with friends I'll eat meat, because I don't want to seem like I'm making a statement or judging people. Plus it's nice to eat meat once in a while.

Just some food for thought.

Side: more meat for me
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Thats actually a great idea. Kind of like a compromise. If everyone did that (including me) they would lose lots of weight.

Side: more meat for me
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Disadvantages: No-

BBQ Ribs

Orange Chicken

Burger King bacon stacker

Turkey

Fried Chicken

Double Quarter Pounder With Cheese

Prime Rib

Shrimp

Crab Cakes

Jack in the box tacos

Mini sirloin burgers

Advantages: More meat for me.

But seriously depending on what blood type you are, meat can be very important to your health.

Side: more meat for me
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points

Ha, funny.

But I call b.s. on the blood type part.

"there's no scientific evidence to support the so-called 'blood type diet,' in which different diets are recommended based on a person's blood type."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/blood-type-diet/AN01415

Side: more meat for me
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I think different diets should be recommended on ethnic backgrounds.

Side: more meat for me
1 point

Thanks,

I only heard that about blood types from my nutrition and food science teacher. I never really looked into it.

Side: more meat for me
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The advantages and disadvantages for any diet differ between people. Some people are healthiest on diets full of meat, while others are healthiest on vegan diets. Personally, I could never give up milk, eggs, etc, let alone burgers and steak. However, some people actually become healthier when they give up meat and some people are healthy when they give up everything associated with meat as well, like milk and eggs.

The most important thing in any diet, however, is that the person gets the required nutrients and vitamins through food or pills, if necessary. That's the difference between diets. Different foods have different amounts of vitamins and nutrients that we all need. Of course, we also need protein in meat or soy, carbohydrates in almost anything, and fat found in everything nowadays. But these three things are found in vegan diets and meat diets.

Side: Depends on the Person
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Yea. One of the biggest issues with not eating meat is that you get certain Amino Acids from certain proteins and they can't really be implemented in any other way than eating that food. You can put certain vegan items together to try and implement certain amino acids, but you'll never get the full source of it.

Side: Depends on the Person
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Most amino acids are produced by our bodies and no amino acids can be "implemented." All essential amino acids (the ones our bodies don't produce) can be found in plants. The idea of combining foods to obtain "complete proteins" was passed over in the '70s; scientific knowledge moved on from that theory almost 40 years ago. And if you really want a complete protein, look no further than quinoa and amaranth, two plant sources.

I'm not really sure where you're getting your information from.

Side: Go vegan Save everything
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Advantages: No need to kill or exploit animals. Better for the environment. Low fat, high fiber diet.

Disadvantages: Hard to get protein. No tasty animal products.

Veganism is natural. But then so is non-veganism.

Side: Go vegan Save everything
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Another disadvantage of being a full out vegan is that it would be inconvenient.

Laying off of so much meat could be great for health, but I have heard of some forms of veganism that is so extreme that they don't even eat potatoes that where pulled out of the ground, because they where pulled out of the ground.

I just don't understand the strictness of it.

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Icebiker(1) Disputed
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(I'm new to this) sorry if this argument is closed.

Protein is actually easy to get. I had a smoothie for breakfast the other day (because I had my wisdom teeth removed I had to have liquid for a while) and I got my daily intake of protein in one meal.

Jake- the people who don't eat potatoes are called 'fruitarians' not vegans.

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