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 What are your views on religion? (17)

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What are your views on religion?

So far I haven't participated in very many religious debates, mainly because I am a little bit confused in whether I believe or not.

I think the belief of atheists make totally sense, it has logic and reality. But at the same time, I can't help but think, that logic and reality may only exist in this world. If there is a higher power, than it can't be compared with logic, science or reality.

Atheists make a great point when asking me if I believe in unicorns - I think that is the main question that made me ask myself who the hell I was talking to when praying at night.

But deep down in my heart, I can't help but think that this all came from something, that everything has purpose of some kind. I can't see very much logic or reality in believing everything came from .. no one, if I could say it like that.

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People feared death and the unknown so they made up stories and passed them down from generation to generation, and as time went on these 'stories' changed... blah, blah, blah.... BINGO! Religion was born!

I like your debate, my views on religion is that half of our brain has to deal with spirituality/irrationality, so it makes up half of our reality. What you are praying to, is cosmic energy, you are connecting to the cosmos when you pray. Praying and meditating are pretty much the same thing, others will tell you they are very different, they are very similar, ive had better experiences when i pray (i rarely, ever pray lol) but i think that is the position of your hands, as they are right near your third eye, they open it up, you can meditate with your hands close to your 3rd eye also, your pineal gland (for those of you who refute the 3rd eye, the pineal gland is proven to be an undeveloped eye, its our physical connection to the divine/cosmos)

I hope you dont allow these atheists to usher you into believing there is nothing to believe in, i find that sad. Im not trying to usher you into religion im trying to tell you, youre on the right track dont lose what makes you a human being!

You should look into shamanism and shamanic journeying, and read about our chakras too!

Take this chakra test (atheists i would advise you to take it also, to see where you stand on your energy levels) http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/ chakratest.php

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my views on religion is that half of our brain has to deal with spirituality/irrationality, so it makes up half of our reality. What you are praying to, is cosmic energy, you are connecting to the cosmos when you pray.

There is no evidence that supports that one half of the brain deals with spirituality and irrationality. How does praying, otherwise known as neurons firing electrical signals to each other in a certain pattern, somehow influence cosmic energy? By cosmic I assume you mean space energy, or energy that is not of this earth. If our thoughts were that powerful to influence energy outside the atmosphere, surely it would be detectable.

(for those of you who refute the 3rd eye, the pineal gland is proven to be an undeveloped eye, its our physical connection to the divine/cosmos)

No, the pineal gland has not been proven to be an undeveloped eye. At least, according to my google search. Do you have evidence to back up your claim? Also, even if it were an undeveloped eye, how would this eye somehow have a connection to the cosmos/divine? What special properties does it possess that gives it these special abilities that you claim?

youre on the right track dont lose what makes you a human being!

Religion makes us a human being? Come on...that's nonsense.

I will take your chakra test though feelingtruth. Here's the results:

Root: open (19%)

Sacral: under-active (-75%)

Navel: open (56%)

Heart: open (31%)

Throat: open (44%)

Third Eye: open (44%)

Crown: open (50%)

theres tons of evidence supporting what i said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland

And the right hemisphere looks at the big picture of thing, the goal in the end, humanitys goal is world peace, the majority at least, and we can achieve world peace through spirituality, i accept that there may be no afterlife but this is not helpful to attaining world peace and working together and plus spirituality, although it cant be measured, it sure as hell can be observed.

its our connection to the divine because it produces dmt and seratonin which bring about extremely spiritual/divine experiences, and no religion doesnt make us human, spirituality does, because we are not human beings having a spiritual experience we are spiritual beings having a human experience, this is what i believe and if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont ask me for proof because this is all a matter of belief and belief is powerful. It doesnt matter if its not based in reality, i, and many others, produce real results through it.

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Isaiah 53:4-6: Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Who is this talking about?

How did you know it was talking about Jesus?

It was written hundreds of years before He was on earth.

This is but one of the prophecies of the Old Testament fulfilled by Christ.

I believe in the God of the Bible. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: mono-tritheism. There are only two options for where our soul goes after death: to heaven, where God is, and to hell, where God isn't (in a sense). However, we have already earned the destruction of hell because no one can be in the presence of God without being perfect and holy and no one is capable of being perfect and holy. It is an absolution. The only way for any person to go to heaven is to have someone or something die in our place: to take our debt to themselves. It cannot be done by another human because no one is perfect and everyone deserves the destruction of hell. Animals are nowhere near as valuable as a human life, so they too cannot take our place. To be able to go to heaven, this being must be perfect and holy and good enough to be able to take our place. "Because the only person who meets God's criteria is God, He sent Himself as Jesus Christ" to die in our place. He did this not because we deserve it but because He loves us. God in all His wonder willingly was mocked, spit on, tortured, flogged, crucified, and delivered over into the hands of sinners. Then He was forsaken by His own Father, God. He suffered an eternity's punishment on that cross so you could live with Him in love. He understands that we fail. He understands that we cannot be perfect. He understands that no matter how hard we try, we cannot earn eternal life with God. This is why He only asks for faith. It is as simple as that! Repent ("change your mind" about sin) and trust in Jesus Christ our only Lord and Savior and you will be saved.

Watch this video, I took some quotes from it because I like it that much and it portrays the gospel perfectly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyYFxp7apl4

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There are incredible stories in the bible, that made me think there MUST be a God.

But like you said - there are only two ways for people to go. To Heaven or to Hell.

Why would a loving God send someone to hell, that he created himself. If God is all love, then he is literally incapable of doing evil. But if putting someone to be burned forever is not evil, then I don't wanna know what is.

If he is incapable of doing evil - then he is not all powerful either.

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Why would a just God not send someone to hell? He isn't just loving but righteous! He would be everything but righteous if He didn't punish the wicked.... He has to, otherwise His love would be worthless... If a just judge let a murderer go because He forgave him, does that justify either the murderer's actions or the judge's? It is the farthest thing from evil to send someone justly to hell who has already done evil. Is it evil to send a murderer to prison? Is it evil to send a murderer to death? Plus, is it not so that we would not be able to understand the riches of God's love if some were not sent to hell? How would His love be displayed? It couldn't! Being rescued from hell is the greatest displaying of love! If Christ had not suffered and died equivalently to the eternity's length of punishment (because He is God and is capable of doing that in a finite time, while humans are not) but instead simply said that He forgives everyone, He would be evil. And if He wasn't evil then none of His love would be shown. John 15:13 - "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." God died to show His great love for you. He took our place to do so. If there was no hell to be rescued from and Him replaced by, then nothing would be displayed. Next, you mentioned that if God is incapable of doing evil then He is not all-powerful. There are multiple possible answers to this:

1) God is capable of doing such but chooses not to because He is good.

2) God is good. Evil is the absence of good, like dark is the absence of light.

3) Being an omnipotent and omni-benevolent being, He cannot be not that. He cannot make a round square or a married bachelor.

If you have any questions just ask! I'll be praying for you! :)

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I don't believe any religion that man has created is true. It was created from fear of the unknown.

I don't totally believe that there isn't a creator though.

Though I do believe that the creator has no part in what takes place now.

I also don't believe that there's an afterlife.

So far I haven't participated in very many religious debates, mainly because I am a little bit confused in whether I believe or not.

That's one of the best ways to learn though.

I think the belief of atheists make totally sense, it has logic and reality.

Atheists don't believe in anything, that's what atheism means.

A - not or without (non takes the place of A as a suffix perfectly here.)

Theism - belief in god

Atheism - not or without belief in god; non-belief in god. In other words, a LACK of belief.

But at the same time, I can't help but think, that logic and reality may only exist in this world. If there is a higher power, than it can't be compared with logic, science or reality.

Well if we are going to speculate on what is outside of this world, or other worlds, we might as well throw logic and reality, and all known science of this universe out the window, because outside of this world exists the flying spaghetti monster, and because he is not of our world, it's perfectly reasonable to believe there is a flying spaghetti monster because all the logic against it doesn't matter cause he is not of our world, reality doesn't matter cause he is of a different reality, and science doesn't matter because we have no science to understand the world of the flying spaghetti monster. The thing you have to understand here is there is science of everything, even other worlds, and the science of other worlds assuming that they exist would be utterly and completely different, and we would have no understanding of them, therefore we have no reason to believe anything about other worlds because if they existed we have no understanding of them and therefore do not know enough to say that they contain a god, and the same thing outside our world as well. We don't even have any reasons to think there are other worlds yet. To say that we don't understand what is outside our world therefore we should assume god exists outside of it is like saying we don't understand what rules the neighbors house has therefore we should assume that there are both a mother and father and they let there kids do whatever they want. We can't say anything about outside our universe because we have no understanding of it, that's assuming because we don't understand. I could make up all sorts of ridiculous stories and say they make perfect sense because they exist outside our universe or in other worlds.

Atheists make a great point when asking me if I believe in unicorns - I think that is the main question that made me ask myself who the hell I was talking to when praying at night.

Why can't unicorns exist, they just exist outside our universe. It is good you understand the problem about credibility otherwise you wouldn't have been able to understand the analogy.

But deep down in my heart, I can't help but think that this all came from something, that everything has purpose of some kind.

Of course, we just don't have any reason to think that, that something is necessarily a god, and not just a long stream of cause and effect. There is definitely going to be a long stream of cause and effect because even if you put god into the equation you have to ask, where did god come from? Thus god doesn't help with the mystery of where the universe came from at all, except take us one step further with something that has no credibility, where there are probably infinite steps.

I can't see very much logic or reality in believing everything came from .. no one, if I could say it like that.

Why does it have to come from someone? Why not something? we don't know if this came from someone yet.

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Atheists don't believe in anything, that's what atheism means.

A - not or without (non takes the place of A as a suffix perfectly here.)

Theism - belief in god

Atheism - not or without belief in god; non-belief in god. In other words, a LACK of belief.

At that point I wasn't talking about what atheists don't believe. I was talking about what they do believe.

And they do believe something - they believe there is no God.

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depending on who you are religion is a trap in some reilegons if you dont believe in god you are disowned by the family and have to have as many children as you can than those children are not aloud to make contact with others or have a pet in my opinion this is not right

Religion is good and O.K. just as long as its members do not go around spreading bigotry or causing wars in the name of Religion.