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 What can we argue about, either for or against, libertarians? (10)

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What can we argue about, either for or against, libertarians?

Libertarian, n., Advocate of individial responsibilty (as little government control as possibly).

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I'm basically a libertarian with a few exceptions. One of the only things thats keeping me from being a libertarian is abortion. So libertarians are great and right about most things.

The one thing I can think of to argue against them is abortion.They say we shouldn't tell people what to do with their bodies.

Fine.

But abortion is basically destroying somebody else's body.

Side: Abortion
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
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Actually, the set belief for Libertarians is that they are AGAINST abortion. They view a fetus as an individual and therefore it is NOT the right of the mother to abort it.

They are also against the death penalty because they do not believe that killing a human being who is not currently a threat to you can be justified.

Two things about Libertarians that I disagree with. I also believe that government must fund Scientific and Medicinal research and should maintain all structures of government that work security, including the NSA and Homeland Security.

Side: The Freedom Party
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"Actually, the set belief for Libertarians is that they are AGAINST abortion. They view a fetus as an individual and therefore it is NOT the right of the mother to abort it."

Really where did you hear that? I looked it up on yahoo answerers and people where saying otherwise. If you're right then good I agree with them on that.

I guess the reasons I'm still not a libertarian is:

the death penalty,

prostitution(and thats not because I think it's morally wrong),

and the legalization of more serious dangerous drugs. I like freedom but meth!? Hell no.

Side: The Freedom Party
ledhead818(637) Disputed
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Isn't it only someone's body at a certain point? Do you honestly believe that a fertilized egg is human body? That just one single cell is equally as important as a being sentient being capable of thoughts and emotions?

And for the record, you're not a libertarian unless you have radically changed your beliefs. Libertarians are socially liberal and are fervently in favor of person freedoms. You are not socially liberal by any means and in addition to the abortion issue that you mentioned you also disagree with the following positions that the Libertarian Party officially endorses the legalization of all drugs for both recreational and medicinal purposes, the legalization of gay marriage, and the elimination of all laws that enforce actions which have no victims. Ex: Prostitution. Libertarians are also strongly against governments endorsing any form of religion, so putting the ten commandments on public space and teaching creationism in school would be a big no no. Things I believe you expressed support or at least indifference toward, correct me if I am wrong.

While I don't agree with Libertarians on everything, especially economic issues, I strongly respect their beliefs that we should not be governed by a nanny state that involves itself in our personal lives, so I therefore take issue with you proclaiming to be a Libertarian. To allude to Lloyd Bentsen- I know Libertarians, and you sir are no Libertarian.

Side: The Freedom Party
TERMINATOR(6779) Disputed
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That is the whole purpose of being a libertarian - to have as little government as possible. They already don't teach creationism in schools, homosexuality IS legal, many are working for the legalization of drugs. The thing about libertarianism is that it wouldn't be the government telling you that you can or can't do those things, it would be the mores of society. If the people want to teach creationism, they would have creationism. It doesn't matter what a few elected idividuals think. It is pretty much a state of anarchy but with only the few neccessary laws to keep the people from going out killing eachother.

Side: The Freedom Party
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
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Well JakeJ has changed since you've been gone (thanks to me, mostly). I've convinced him that Prostitution and Drugs should no longer be illegal (he's still on the fence about it, but he realizes the people's freedom to do with their bodies as pleased).

As for gay marriage, I think he's on the verge of converting, but I don't keep up with that debate (it's boring).

As for the ten commandments on public space, Libertarians honestly don't care if there's ALREADY one on public space. They have more of a problem with tax dollars being used to build up any more. But they don't call for the removal of them (unlike Secular Humanists).

Side: The Freedom Party
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
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Thanks for taking back what you said. It's cool, you didn't know that I have changed some of my views.

You're right though, I'm not a libertarian. Close but I'm not. And I never claimed to be.

So, about abortion...

"Isn't it only someone's body at a certain point? Do you honestly believe that a fertilized egg is human body? That just one single cell is equally as important as a being sentient being capable of thoughts and emotions?"

yes no and yes

It's about potential. If an egg will eventually become a person then it shouldn't be aborted. If one person can change the world so can one abortion.

Side: The Freedom Party
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Libertarians are stupid.

I'm not against minimalising government activity - because community can step in for that.

It's their view that they can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone that really gets me. How can they be so retarded to think that all of their actions have reactions and not all of them will directly be attributed to them?

The majority of them tend to be rich posh spoilt white kids who haven't had any struggles in life. Selfishness and materialism are their most defined characterisitcs.

^^Argue that one.

Side: The Freedom Party