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 What do terrorist want? (13)

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What do terrorist want?

worldwide caliphate founded on Shari'a

In nearly all cases, the jihadi terrorists have a patently self-evident ambition: to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, and Islamic law, the Shari'a. Or, again to cite the Daily Telegraph, their "real project is the extension of the Islamic territory across the globe, and the establishment of a worldwide ‘caliphate' founded on Shari'a law."

caliphate or death (www.danielpipes.org)

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Thats one way they are recruiting people (for a world under Islam) but the leaders like Osama have made it clear that 9/11, for instance, was because of the US's presence in the middle east, especially Saudi Arabia, which he views are blasphemous. Another reason was US support for Israel, for obvious reasons. Osama is really just a big leftist as is apparent once you read his video transcripts. He is anti-globalist, anti-western, and anti-zionist. This is because the more globalization we have, the more the world community becomes integrated which requires a certain tollerance for other cultures, ideals, and beliefs. Islam, however, is particularly intollerant to outside ideas, so it's no wonder they attacked the U.S., the top supporter of globalism and zion. It wasn't about our "freedom and democracy." It was about American Foreign policy.

Thus, if you want the threat to go away, follow their wishes. We have no perogative to be in the middle east anyway, and Israel can fend for itself with its 300 nukes.

Ironically, another way to combat Islamic terrorism is with more globalization, of an economic kind. Its a fact that the over whelming majority of Muslims who become terrorists are poor. They are impoverished, angry at the world, and seek understanding. It's been shown in a number of studies that these people, usually male youths, rush to the closest thing they can find which is Al Queda. Now they have a cause, an understanding, and an enemy too, for which the blame their troubles on. The solution to this is relatively simple on paper: end poverty. If you get rid of the poverty they will be more educated and more wordly, and historically, more moderate. These are just some ideas to consider.

Side: To protest Israeli and American policy

And they are all very good ideas. Up vote for you.

I do have a few question for Osama Bin Laden:

A. If you want the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, why not:

1. Petition the Saudi government to kick the American's out?

2. Why not terrorize the Saudi government until they kick the Americans out?

B. If you want the U.S. to stop supporting Israel, why not:

1. Use your money to loby for your side?

2. Why not get sympathetic Muslim's elected in the U.S.?

C. If the majority of terrorist are disenfranchized poor youths, why not:

1. Use your money to build schools to educate them?

2. Use your money to create jobs for them?

There is so much more, so much good, that he can do for the disenfranchized Muslim youths that is preferable than sending them to their death. He has no respect for the life of his congregation.

Side: Osama is a little sheet head

Like I said, it sounds easy on paper, but it isn't. A and B would be practically impossible, and C would be a good idea if they had money and the areas weren't so instable. Before you did C you'd have to do D: end Suni, Shia rivalry and all other conflict, and a democracy wouldn't hurt either.

Side: To protest Israeli and American policy
3 points

Like everyone else, they want to live life the right way. The way they were taught was right.

Everyone I know does this, so I can see where they are coming from. One family will eat dinner in the living room and curse and swear, others eat at the dinning room table and only talk when there is no food in their mouths and only politely, without their arms touching the table all night. That's just one example. Then imagine you live on the other side of the planet, and your entire culture is highly religious and you hear and see these people somewhere else turning the world into a wicked place. I can understand how they feel, but from our perspective, everything is just ok. That's how people are, all different. We know that on the other side of the street could live people that are very disagreeable. There are people all over the place that we cannot agree with, but we see that they aren't infringing on our rights to be ourselves.

They cannot see that as a good thing. Terrorism, if you're talking about Islamic extremism, comes from their complete misunderstanding of our culture, and how they see no other way to get our attention than to attack us physically. The fact is though, that the attention that they get doesn't fly around here. Americans are more reasonable, and we just simply accept that they don't like the way we live, because as I said before, we grow up in a culture where everyone lives differently. If someone uses physical harm as a way to show how much they really dislike us though, it shows that they are not reasonable, and that they should be dealt with in a normally unreasonable manner... war.

If you're not talking about Islamic extremism, then terrorists in general just wants us to listen... or more, change our ways or get something from us that isn't theirs to have. They are essentially bullies of the world. This doesn't mean that they aren't human, like you and I, it just means they are different and desperate.

It's not difficult to see once you realize that they are human, and more like you than not.

Side: They are forcful activists

Maybe they're focused on something smaller than "worldwide caliphate and Shari'a law" but whatever it is, we should figure it out fast and use that knowledge to develop a more effective strategy than leaving our boys in Iraq or pulling them out.

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Side: knowing may provide a winning strategy
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That was a somewhat interesting article.

(for the debate)

Side: knowing may provide a winning strategy

Which one? You didn't specify which article was interesting for the debate. While I'm at it, I might as well ask, why did you find it interesting?

Side: knowing may provide a winning strategy
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And I want to love them to death ;)

Side: To be loved