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1. Youtubes search engine effing sucks and any douche who spams keywords will get their lame video to pop-up a million spots before any relevant information.
That said, I couldn't link the actual commercial for you.
2. I did watch the full 30-32 second commercial on this guy's blog, but I hate this guy so I'm not linking it.
3. The commercial covered all of the false fear tactics,
-old people will lose Medicare,
-there will be rationing and people dying on the streets,
-Canada and UK look like post-apocalyptic death zones due to their socialized healthcare
-four horsemen of the Apocalypse (not literally, but that's the feel they're going for)
So good for them. Maybe the the private health industry should be spending the millions a day they are spending on commercials that lie on treating people who they insure instead,
maybe this conversation wouldn't even be going on then.
I believe the ad is below (YouTube search does suck, just use Google, then you can click on the video to jump to the YouTube link).
I agree with their refusal to air it. It's just one blatant deception after another designed for the sole purpose of scaring the American people. Shit like this should be illegal.
So it IS a specific ad? Well, that's different....I haven't watched it, 'cause there are other people in the room who probably don't wish to be disturbed...but if it's a specific ad and not ALL anti-obamacare ads that may be okay.
I'm sorry that you are in such denial. Open the hood and look into into it and stop looking at what you hear and see on TV. Just use your common sense. Take a model for instance Social Security and Medicare which are entitlements that are having problems and going broke. Already the CBO is saying that Medicare and Social Security is going to be completely broke 2019. How would you expect a national health care to be any more efficient. It won't, even the Obama administration is now trying to demonize the CBO which they are a non biased government entity that just uses economic mathematics to figure out where we are going and the Obama admin is saying the CBO is wrong. Who are they to tell them, It's Obama who is not telling the truth. Look I'm worried where this country is heading under Obama. Sadly to say i voted for him, but unlike so many liberals I'm able to get my head out of the sand and see who this guy really is. Of course Obama going on TV and asking us to trust the government when he even said himself that he has not read the bill. Are you serious? And you want us to believe you. you know Jessald when we are old and we don't have any Social Security we will look back on the day that George W Bush oh yes I'm bringing him up warned about Social Security going dead and tried to give the money back to us so that we can invest it ourselves. But the Dems grilled him on this because that would mean giving money back to us that is ours but that they don't have because it is already spent. They are already borrowing against the debt of entitlements on Social Security and Medicare is right behind. Yes the 9 trillion that is real money that is owed. And by the way that amount is based on one Fiscal year. That is the budget deficit if you go to the total debt that gets even scarier its almost 20 trillion. Look the left loves to feed on you young uneducated, so before you throw your slander and derogatory words around on a debate. You open yourself up to the obvious which tells me that you don't have a clue and i would say go educate yourself and put down your X box and do the research hopefully you will see the real for yourself.
You sound like a lobbyist. How much are they paying you? This is from another debate, I copied and pasted. Follow the links, learn grow, sound less paid off:
First the fear tactics being used by the Insurance industry:
1. Death Panels - they don't exist, end of life counseling is simply when a person at any time in their life, (they don't even have to be dying that's just when people do it usually) discusses with their doctor (not the government) what to do in the event of life support, donating organs, etc. All of the choices are the individual's, doctors have no say, the government has no say.
2. We would pay for the healthcare of illegal non-citizens:
Simply not true. There is nothing in this or any proposed bill that would lead one to believe it were true. There is nothing that could even be mistaken for something that could lead to this being true later. It's a lie aimed at a specific group of people to get them riled against the bill.
3. They are going to take money away from Medicare:
Ignoring that Medicare is a government program and the naysayers should be all for taking money away from Medicare - if they were basing their arguments on principle at least - this is not true either.
Here is where Medicare is mentioned
A. in a pricing section stating a public plan shall not exceed the price set in a Medicare program where the price has been set, ie, you can't charge more than Medicare charges an individual.
B. in defining "qualified person" one of the qualifications is to not already have Medicare Part A and B
C. again referring to cost, it states pricing should "substantially" reflect the pricing under Medicare
Those are the only scare tactics I've heard so far, but I'm sure there are more, and if anyone is scared by them, feel free to read it yourself or ask me.
Now for what it does say, cliff notes, the whole bill is there if you want more details:
1. a person cannot be denied coverage for any pre-existing condition
2. a person cannot be denied renewal based on anything at all
3. prices should reflect prices set in existing government health programs (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, government employee healthcare, etc) and should not exceed these costs and where prices have not already been set should be determined by the Secretary
4. healthcare is mandatory for all citizens (the 30 million who don't have it need to get it, kind of like you can't drive without insurance)
5. individuals choose their own doctor. An insurance co. can no longer tell you what doctor they will or won't cover, and of course the government does not tell you what doctor to see.
6. medical decisions are made by health professionals (doctors, nurses, chiropractors, etc) and the individual, and insurance companies no longer have any say in the care of a patient
7. no one can interfere with these rights
I fail to see the downside outside of the initial cost, which could easily be compensated by 30 million people paying into the system who currently do not.
However, no program in the history of mankind has ever been perfect, and I'm sure there will be problems,
but again, we have the worst Healthcare system of the industrialized world. There are third world countries with better Healthcare right now. Every country with some kind of public healthcare has better Healthcare than we do.
I fail to see how this wouldn't be much better than what we have.
And to answer Kuk's debate exactly,
1. It is fairly socialistic, so is the military, fire departments, police, and education, and those are all good things. It maintains the good properties of capitalism as there would still be the exact same incentives to come up with new cures and the free market is still free to compete. Anyone with funding could still start a health insurance company if they think they can do it better, the ones that exist aren't being shut down. The only difference would be they have rules... which obviously they don't want.
2. Support for healthcare reform is actually overwhelming. More people are for it than are for Obama,
it's anywhere from 70-77% approval. link
The health insurance industry is spending millions every day to fight it, and as is sometimes the case with money, it's louder than people.
I think though that once people become more aware of the actual facts, and as the proposed bills become more available to the public like that link I provided in the argument above, that 70-77% will start being more vocal about their support.
That ad was simple and pretty much told the truth. My brother is a dr. and is the biggest liberal out there but he has read the entire bill unlike most and says that it is a medical nightmare. ABC should have run this ad it wasn't that bad.
There's more than one bill out there. And all of them are still being negotiated. Regardless of whether the more controversial parts of healthcare reform happen, everyone agrees that something need to be done.
Anyways, Who says that video is not telling the truth?
There are a lot of lies about this bill going around. Are you going to blame us for not falling for them?
Well come on, theres a lot of lies going around about everything. Lets talk about the ad that was refused to be shown. If you where talking about that then the question you asked me is irrelevant. Unless you can prove it to be all lies.
I show why that ad is full of lies on an arguement a couple places above. It's the argument with the links to the White House's version of the bill they would like.
Yes, I read the entire thing. Yes, that commercial is full of lies.
While there are other versions of that particular bill out there, and much longer descriptions of what each element entails, all of the elements are within the link I provided.
It should be noted, that the other versions out there are attempts to compromise with the right, so that version I provide would be the most "liberal" piece of legislation available.
And where'd your buddy jtopollock go? lol, a couple replies and he disappeared right when it was getting funny ... Must be waiting for the insurance industry to provide him more talking points ;)
So before you stopped to think about freedom of speech or why it's stupid that we have entire TV stations that praise this Presidency no matter what it does. You rushed off to you tube to find something wrong with the video and say "good for them". All because you knew it was against a healthcare plan that you agree with.
Where was this indignation at an entire news station that "praise this Presidency no matter what it does" during the Bush Administration? Holy s--t you would need the Jaws of Life to pull Faux out of Bush's ass after 911.
For you're information, many of the shows are very critical of much of what the president has done.
1. He hasn't done away with don't ask don't tell.
2. They think single payer is the solution to Healthcare, and are tired of Obama trying to compromise with the right (especially in light of the sorry miseducation of people like yourself who actually think this President is a Lefty)
3. They want out of Iraq last week.
4. They want plans for leaving Afghanistan starting now
You need some perspective Jake, Obama is center left. And the Left has plenty of gripes about it. All the right spews all day is "blah blah, socialist, blah blah, most liberal President ever, blah blah guns, blah blah, he wasn't born here"
It's retardation bordering insanity.
ABC and NBC are far far far closer to the center than Faux. The only "liberal" media to even come close to faux in it's distance from the center is MSNBC, and even Olbermann and Maddow have questioned this administration more in the short short time it's been in charge, than Faux dared question that draft dodging war criminal Bush in his entire 8 year fiasco.
Don't come talking to me about class act.
If the Insurance industry wants to air a commercial, maybe they should try airing one that isn't a 30 second string of lies.
There is nothing in the first amendment that says a privately owned news station has to air every piece of bs that comes across their desk.
1. I still would like somebody to prove that the commercial is filled with lies.
2. The whole point is not the commercial but that the mainstream media is way to in love with Obama and you freaking know it.
3. Lets talk about that little rant you made to mock conservatives: All the right spews all day is "blah blah, socialist, blah blah, most liberal President ever, blah blah guns, blah blah, he wasn't born here"
You are putting all of that on an entire group of people? that's real nice. Blah blah guns? what does that have to do with anything? you don't like the right to bare arms? How about "he wasn't born here" I don't think that. I don't know anybody who thinks that. You are watching way to much crap. And your so right he's not a socialist, he's a fascist.
Let's just hope you where trying to be funny.
4. Obama is not center left.
5. and even Olbermann and Maddow have questioned this administration more in the short short time it's been in charge, than Faux dared question that draft dodging war criminal Bush in his entire 8 year fiasco.
They usually attack the "right" instead of praising the left, so maybe there's some room for that, I don't know. I usually try not to watch them.
6. There is nothing in the first amendment that says a privately owned news station has to air every piece of bs that comes across their desk.
I know that. I'm just criticizing that they only air left wing BS, that's lame and one sided.
7. I never said Fox News was perfect. You are not insulting me by insulting Fox. You seem to go at them pretty hard when debating me, I'm not sure why.
1. I've already proven that the commercial in question is full of lies, and that almost every commercial put out by the health insurance industry is full of lies. Follow the link I provided in the reply I made a couple arguements above this. It leads to the White House's version of the bill. The full bill. I then cover all of the points being made by the Insurance industry one by one referencing the bill.
2. Conservatives in one sentence say how Faux is the most watched news station, then in the next say how in love main stream media is with this administration. You can't have it both ways, most watched = main stream.
A. like I said, liberal media has far more problems with Obama than Faux ever did with Bush, in spite of all the good Obama has managed already and in spite of how royally Bush screwed everything up from foreign relations to the economy.
B. so no, I don't know it. I know MSNBC is left, ABC, NBC, and CNN are left or right depending which show you watch, and Faux is tin-foil-hat right. You act like "the media" has secret meetings in an abondoned warehouse somewhere about how to spin stuff.
3. Yes, I'm putting that on an entire group, because even the moderate Conservatives are enabling the wackos. And yeah, guns are a perfect example. Gun sales and ammo sales are at an all time high, based strictly on this fabricated notion that the NWO is going to take over and steel everyone's guns now that there is a liberal Nigerian President (never mind he won in a democratic process by a huge majority) It highlights perfectly the rampant paranoia and insanity on the fringes of the right,
which the rest of the right is doing nothing to calm down. So yeah, all of you are to blame.
4. Yes, he is. He continues to try to compromise on every issue. He hasn't touched gun control. He hasn't stopped don't ask don't tell, he's appointed several conservatives to high positions in his administration. He is so far closer to the center than Clinton was his first term.
5. The right needs to be attacked when they continually bow to the birthers, and people who claim the person who won a democratic election is somehow "fascist" as you now say. That's "unamerican" far more than believing we shouldn't have been in Iraq ever was. Plus, if you don't watch, how the hell do you know who they are attacking?
6. Okay then, show me a "left" commercial that has aired that was full of lies. Because as I've shown this one that is not being aired is full of lies. So show me Jake. You'll find there are none, because the litmus test in this case was not right or left, it was whether it was factual.
7. Because I get tired of saying the same things over and over. Ex. Above I have a link that says exactly what is in Obama's version of the Healthcare Bill. I then went through and highlighted every lie being told in the media about the healthcare bill. I then showed beyond any doubt that none of these lies being televised (or being refused as is the case with this video that isn't being aired) are in the bill at all. That it is baseless fear mongering.
Yet, sure enough in a couple days I will see you, Joe, Pyg, or one of these new guys make some statement that assumes one of these lies are the truth.
Whether it's about healtcare, gun control, whether Obama is some sort of dictator, abortion, wellfare, social security, medicare, the difference between socialism, fascism, and democracy, free market,
it doesn't matter.
I give facts,
it's eventually dropped,
two days later facts conveniently ignored and we start the cycle again.
I'm sorry, but could you explain what freedom of speech has to do with this? How do you have freedom to air whatever you want on a private TV network?
Ironically, under the Fairness Doctrine, you would have had the right to this type of "freedom" on someone else's property. Fortunately, such wonderful conservatives like Ronald Reagan overturned such unfair laws, and now ABC and NBC have the freedom to not air trash they don't like.
Those ads were paid for by a group called the "Legal American Voters". I could find no organization with this name on the search engines I used, the fact that they don't want to be known is only proof that their intentions are not the best.
Another case not to run their ad is their name "Legal American Voters", as if only illegal Americans are in favor of the plan. Deceptions are never done by honest people.
Thanks for the correction, I'm a little deaf. I'll check out their site.
Update: This I pulled from the League of American Voters homepage.
Bob Adams is Executive Director of the League of American Voters, a national organization dedicated to educating voters on their elected leaders’ support for the common sense values of free enterprise, family and national security.
Over the course of more than a decade, Adams has established a rich history of involvement in state and national politics, beginning his political career in 1994 as a Press Assistant to Republican Congressman J.C. Watts, Jr. of Oklahoma.
Throughout the Bush Presidency, Adams served as a key strategist and in senior communication roles with the American Legislative Exchange Council, the nation's largest, bipartisan membership organization of state legislators.
In 2008, Adams lost a tightly contested race as a candidate for the West Virginia Senate by 200 votes out of nearly 54,000.
Bob Adams is an Advisory Board Member of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), and a Board Member of the Arizona Latino Commission and Birthright of Charlestown, West Virginia.
He and his wife Allison, have four children.
It is just a Republican organizationn bashing the other party. Not even a half-way decent group of Republicans, just a sore loser.
We're not saying that NBC or ABC HAS to air the ad... but we can still criticize them for it. Criticism is the key component for free speech. Without it, we have anarchy.
Thank you! Conservatives act like the world is ending when an unfounded rumor of bringing back the Fairness Doctrine starts floating around. And then they act like the world is ending when they see other media outlets acting unfairly.
I wish I could say conservative-hypocrisy surprised me anymore...
It is unfortunate that this debate has led to a discussion on the ethical guidelines behind a government funded option for health care. I believe the question was specifically aimed at ABC and NBCs refusal to air an anti-'Obamacare' ad. That being said...
These two networks are private broadcasters. They are not required to run advertisements, no matter the content. I agree that they have the right to do so, but sadly are taking a political position by choosing this advertisement to block. If they truly wanted to look fair, they should have aired it. Imagine these stations blocking a campaign commercial supported by either candidate during the election. I agree with blocking material of an adult nature, as to keep our children from seeing something they should not during the hours they are awake and believed to be safe. But to block something of a political nature? Not well thought out.
And really, must we reduce ourselves to criticizing spelling and grammar? Stick to the argument and avoid the menial comments on someone's typing. No one's perfect.
It's nice to know there are a few stations that won't air trash propaganda. In other news, what do you think about Fox's refusal to air Obama's speeches?
Sorry Jessal my typing is fast and I don't spell check. That shouldn't matter if you still understand the sentence. By the way if you want the truth Obama is the biggest fraud out there he won't even open up is file so that we Americans can read is college thesis, gee I wonder what he must be hiding. the only president by the way i might add that has Ever done this.
What are you talking about? Obama won't show his college thesis? I've never heard anything about that, and I highly doubt that it's any cause for concern. What, you think his college thesis contains secret plans to blow up the world, along with a confession that he was born in Kenya? :P I mean, I have some problems with Obama, but all this paranoia about him is ridiculous.
"By the way if you want the truth Obama is the biggest fraud out there he won't even open up is file so that we Americans can read is college thesis, gee I wonder what he must be hiding"
A spokesman said that no student technically could have written a thesis in 1983, since the university didn’t even have a thesis requirement for undergraduates then.
"At the time Barack Obama was a student, the political science department had no mechanism by which undergraduate political science majors in Columbia College could receive recognition for writing an independent thesis,” said university spokesman Robert Hornsby. “The department's procedures for students to write theses were created in the 1990s."
Seriously, how hard is it to spend one minute (that is literally how long it took me to find this source) searching Google before you post irrelevant and unsubstantiated claims?
First of all, I am not a conservative, and definitely not a liberal. I am a moderate. This whole idea of one station siding with Obama and the other doing the opposite is a clear sign that today's media cannot be trusted. Why? Media is supposed to bring the real news, not whatever fits their ideology or who pays them more. This incident only shows just how much media can really be trusted.
I stopped believing in the media once I graduated from high school at the age of 16.
The best way that such a thing doesn't happen is to somehow punish these media groups for the disinformation to show them that people should themselves decide who to support and not the media to make that decision. Why? Because as long as the people are misinformed, they can do as they wish.
The only real way to punish these organizations is to hit them where it hurts. Their pocket books. Stop watching their programs. Tell people that think the same as you to do the same. Write letters to them saying you no longer view their programs or patronize them in any way. Do research to find out who they are associated with and boycott them as well. This is happening with several newspaper companies. Words travel pretty fast and ultimately, actions speak louder thatn words.
Question: Do they air pro-obamacare ads? I know this is probably a very ignorant question, but nevertheless...Also, will they not run ANY anti-obama care ads, or did they just refuse one particular one?
And haha. It does kind of remind me of V For Vendetta. :"]
Actually, yes, Fox News runs Obamacare ads MORE than anti-obamacare ads. In fact, I don't ever remember seeing an anti-obamacare ad on Fox News... but there's bound to be a couple...
I don't know about ABC, but NBC is very well known for rejecting ads that they find Right Leaning. Hell, they refused to air an ad that suggested that we should send aid to the troops because it "might be considered a Political Ad". Right, because NBC is soooo not into politics.
Fox is about money and ratings, which is why they always air opposition; they don't give a fuck, as long as they got money Which is what makes them so awesome ;)
You know, NBC is such a popular network, I would think that they would want to add to their consumer base. Fox has made a very smart business decision by running both Obama and Anti-Obama healthcare ads. Most of their news anchors are conservative republicans, yet they still run ads for 'the opposition'. If NBC and ABC think that they're making some sort of political stand, they have another thing coming.
"Actually, yes, Fox News runs Obamacare ads MORE than anti-obamacare ads. In fact, I don't ever remember seeing an anti-obamacare ad on Fox News... but there's bound to be a couple..."
That's ok. They make up for it by slandering the proposed health-care plans, like saying the government's going to euthanasia your grandma, or ship sick people to Antarctica.
Wait, what? The government's going to euthanasia my grandma, and ship sick people to Antarctica ? ! OK, you know what, this Obamacare thing has gone too far. Where does he get off doing stuff like that? Are you starting rumors? ;)
They are showing their true liberal colors. They are not concerned about the U.S. They are not concerned with journalistic integrity. They just want to get their liberal agenda passed. ;)
I wanted to say that I talk with many doctors from Canada and Great Britain and we always talk about the health care they have because I want to know. Just talked to my Canadian doctor friend this week. He says that they are always having problems with funding it and getting patients surgeries done when they need it. This is Canada where they have far less people can you imagine 300 million here in America. Don't you think that you would have to waite to see a doctor? It's pretty obvious you would have to.
What agenda is this? To say liberal as if it is a bad word, liberal means change. Do you really like things the way they are? Blind, deaf and dumb; there is a club for people like you, the Republician Party.
The year is 2009. After all of this time the human race either has learned what works and what doesn't work. If not, then we might as well just hang it up. Change for change's sake is not necessarily good.
It is a good thing that you are only a hypocrite. The pen and paper worked just fine before the computer came. The horse and buggy worked before the car. I will go even farther and ask, Why change your clothes or shower? You were fine the day before.
I run a business and know what works and doesn't. Nothing stands still, a new invention changes the way I do things.
The only thing the human race has learned, is very little.
"History has taught us that men and nations behave wisely, once they have exhausted all other alternatives." Abba Eban
It's typical of ABC not to run an ad, the media is so biased to Obama. For all of you Obama cronies out there that think this Health Care bill is any good you need to check yourself quickly. I think that there needs to be some kind of Health reform, but I actually was able to read 80 pages of the bill just in the first 80 it's scary. First reason why it's bad is the economic and funding reasons. Right now the CBO who is the governments own financial committee even say that without the Health Bill we are looking at a 9 trillion deficit over the next ten years. The CBO and almost every sensible economist out there has stated that these numbers are unsustainable. We will become a Banana Republic. All of this and still not adding in there the massive cost of this bill. Go read some or part of the bill yourself to see why so many grass root Americans don't like it, it is laden with special interest groups attorney language that once in place they can take it to any direction they see fit. The term "death PaneL" Ooh sounds scary but it is true. They don't call it that in the bill but there would be in the way of end of life decisions taken away from the families and would have to be decided by a bureaucrat. So i think that death panel makes the left mad because in a way it's blatantly true, just that it's worded and sugar coated in the bill so that it doesn't sound so crude. For the most reason and if you are not familiar with how the monetary system works of money and banking once you learn this your eyes will open you will see things that people don't have a clue on like Money and why this administration is driving us to bankruptcy. There is a great video on utube called Money banking and the federal reserve go check it out.
Obviously we can pay for universal health care, we'd just need to raise taxes or cut other spending to do it. It's just a question of priorities. Are we willing to take a little bit from everybody in order to keep poor people from going bankrupt if they get hit by a bus?
We can and will pay down our national debt. It's getting high but is far from unpayable. Republican strategists know this, but are choosing just to yell and scream apocalyptic nonsense in order to score political points. It's pretty disgusting really. We need to be having a constructive debate about how best to improve the lives of the American people, but all we're seeing is bullshit like this ad which says little more than, "We're all gonna die!!!"
Dude just me when you have a 2.3 trillion dollar deficit that means that the amount taken in of all revenue versus what is still left to pay in a fiscal year is still left over 2.3 trillion in one year. Just the facts that deficit is more than all of the Bush years combined! Why do you think that China has called us out over the last month? Because they are the ones buying our debt. Once again Jessald you need to REALLY go and educate yourself on Money. The Chinese buy US treasury bonds thats how we are able to fund and print money. When there is a 3 trillion dollar deficit Govco has to go to the Fed and ask for this money in US treasury bill then we have to find a buyer for them and then the money is now made either electronically and some is printed. That is a very simple way to let you know what happens. When we as a country only produce a domestic output of a Trillion but yet we overspend by 2.3 trillion how would you expect Obam Govco to balance that. There is no way that you can balance something out if one is greater than the other. Just to let you in on something there massive socialist budget that they want probably won't happen anyway because China and other countries are going to stop buying our debt they have already told us this. You know I could go on and on on this subject people go to 4 year of college to understand what I'm trying to tell you, but unless you really dig your heels and try to understand what I telling you then you will always have a pretty stupid debate because you are so under knowledge on anything on this subject. We can't pay for it the CBO and CBC all have said that it is not possible. I want some kind of reform myself but this Obama care is not the one. Go learn again I beg you to stop sounding so stupid and do some math on dollars in and dollars out and learn about bonds and International markets. Then you will see why most smart americans and some smart people that you hear on TV are saying it is true WE ARE GOING BANKRUPT!
You are such and over exaggerator that add doesn't say anything to the liking of what you have stated. Like a typical Liberal over exaggerate the story to what fits your belief. Have you ever talked with a Canadian or a Brit asking them their honest truth about the health care? I have and they hate it. You ask for taxes to be raised to pay for this. Have you even taken a look at what taxes would be if Obama got what he wanted? Last estimate I saw was $37,000 for each American. That would be a Marxist economy taking over 70% of every paycheck that is made. That is the reality of what the spending they want would bring. It won't happen though because in order for us to pass that spending other countries would have to buy that debt so that we can print the money to pay for it. Thank God for capitalism. This time Jesssald I made sure that my spelling would be ok with you. I know maybe this economy and me trying to help you understand maybe over your head. I know when someone hits a lib with good information and truth you all lash out at my misspelled words in retaliation because there's nothing in the tank to come back on with what I'm saying.
Have you ever talked with a Canadian or a Brit asking them their honest truth about the health care? I have and they hate it.
I think you're lying. Even if you aren't, you're wrong. See this Gallup poll.
Percent "very satisfied" with healthcare:
US: 6%, Britain: 7%, Canada: 16%
Percent "very dissatisfied" with healthcare:
US: 44%, Britain: 25%, Canada: 17%
Have you even taken a look at what taxes would be if Obama got what he wanted? Last estimate I saw was $37,000 for each American. That would be a Marxist economy taking over 70% of every paycheck that is made.
I'm sorry, but you have clearly pulled those numbers from the depths of your rectum. There's no way in hell Obama wants to tax $37,000 from each American. I assume you got that from some dumb YouTube video that didn't account for progressive taxation or something like that.
"Have you ever talked with a Canadian or a Brit asking them their honest truth about the health care? I have and they hate it."
As a Brit, I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. The NHS is one of the most cherished British institutions in place. Attempting to insinuate that the NHS is a broken and/or unvalued system to try to push your political bias is at best untruthful and at worst insulting to the millions of people (including members of my family and Stephen Hawkings) who owe their lives to it.
I absolutely love the NHS, and most other Brits do too. Don't use the "Brits hate the NHS" argument, because it doesn't hold water.
I hate to state the obvious at times, but I will make an exception at this time.
ABC and NBC refused to air the advertisement because of contractual obligations. Or said another way: ABC and NBC wanted more money for the broadcast of the ad.
Do I have any evidence to support such a claim? I sure do!
Does not ABC and NBC have a price at which they can be bought just as all for-profit organizations can be bought?
Not a surprise. Most of the media out there supports Obama. So much so that they are willing to lie to the American people about what he is up to. He does all these things behind our backs and ABC and NBC are just not wanting to admit it.
