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What do you think about someone that tells you what degrees they have?

Some people try to use a college degree as if it makes them an authority on everything.  What do you think?

Example: "I hold an advanced degree in science (applied Social Psychology if you were wondering)"

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Is it relevent to me, no. Good for them I have mine too doesn't mean that I have to make it known to people. I can't tell you how many people I speak to who have never been to college and do a great job at making it work. They are smart too and probably have a lot more experience than most of these people who do go to school.

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A degree is absolutely useless if you cannot prove your knowledge first hand then I will consider you unworthy of the degree you hold so high.

Truly though if you cannot provide the knowledge that you were supposed to have learned that tells me that you simply sat through the class and tried a minimal amount.

If they can prove their knowledge then good for them. A degree does not provide authority over others.

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Well, considering that you can't verify anyone's claims on the internet... I don't care or pay much attention to whatever degree anyone says they have.

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Well, considering that you can't verify anyone's claims on the internet... I don't care or pay much attention to whatever degree anyone says they have.

This is true.

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Is Washington not full of those people that deem themselves to be experts, and yet they are the same ones that have screwed up everything.

I'd rather get advice from someone that actually does the work, then someone that read a book about it.

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To give a little background on this debate, Thewayitis asked how I knew what scientists meant when they used the word "theory" I responded by Quoting the Executive director for the center for science education, and then asks if I have asked scientists if that is what they mean by "Theory".

I again respond by giving a source to a technical definition of the word theory and then Stating that I have a science degree and in fact I have spoken to many scientists (most being old professors of mine) and that anybody who has graduated High school should know that Theory has a specific meaning in science which differs from the colloquial usage. That is when Thewayitis created this debate. I'm still waiting for a response to those posts. So in these circumstances my response was entirely relevant to the discussion. I have given copious evidence and reasoning to support my argument, his only recourse was denial.

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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What you failed to post is your attempt to convince me that one that has a degree is an expert.

"I hold an advanced degree in science (applied Social Psychology if you were wondering)"

Implying all people with degrees must be experts.

About the response to you on the other debate, you did what I could never do; take away someone credentials.

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Bohemian(3861) Disputed
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What you failed to post is your attempt to convince me that one that has a degree is an expert.

Well, generally YES. To acquire a degree in something requires a certain level of study and familiarization in that field and has been tested on numerous occasions and has passed such tests beyond what a normal person is capable of.

This is not to say a person without the degree is not knowledgeable in that area, but that they are significantly less likely to be so. In nearly all cases, an advanced degree implies expertise.

Would you have someone perform open heart surgery on you who didn't go to medical school? I certainly hope not.

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"They said it couldn't be do, so I didn't hire them to do it." Unknown

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I have a BS degree which is easily verifiable by any, and all, of my posts ;)

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And you have rightfully earned your degree. Congratulations on being at the top of your class too! LOL

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If you have barely graduated High School and then proceed to argue with an economist about economic principals, then you're an imbecile.

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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So you believe that a man that runs a billion dollar business with no degree knows less than someone that just graduated from business school?

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Bohemian(3861) Disputed
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I don't know too many billion dollar business owners who themselves don't have a business degree, or someone under their employment who does.

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Although I wouldn't necessarily 'hang onto every word,' I would certainly consider one with a degree to be knowledgeable in the particular field that they have a degree in. When mentioning the achievement of gaining a degree, it lends the speaker some form of credibility in their argument as long as their degree is in a field that pertains to said argument. Otherwise, mentioning a degree would be irrelevant.

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"I hold an advanced degree in science (applied Social Psychology if you were wondering)"

Don't be fooled into thinking thewayitis holds any sort of degree, he is merely quoting myself.

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I didn't know he was quoting you, but it was obvious to me that he wasn't talking about himself.

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Notice how he had to remind you he had a degree. Nothing else to offer.

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Billie(790) Disputed
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Don't be fooled into thinking thewayitis holds any sort of degree, he is merely quoting myself.

Don't be fooled into thinking Bohemian holds any sort of personality, not even borderline.

P.S. Its absolutely pathetic how you felt the need to say that.

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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Of coarse I'm quoting you, it is in quotations. I take it that the English language is not your strong point.

Secondly I don't claim to be an expert, I leave that for those that can do nothing else.

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Nautilus(628) Disputed
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Quoting means nothing if you don't cite who or what you are quoting.

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Bohemian(3861) Disputed
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Thewayitis: "Of coarse I'm quoting you, it is in quotations. I take it that the English language is not your strong point."

If you're going to criticize the grasp of the English language of other people, perhaps you should use spell-check first.

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Depends what you are talking about, I have not place to debate a particle physicist on the existence and behavior of sub atomic particles. I don't know where people get off thinking everyone's voice is equal and worthy in a discussion. Does a 4th grade class have an opinion on astrophysics? Possibly, but is it one worth anything, of course not.

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“Sure. If there existed someone that has been doing open heart surgeries with a decent survival rate for at least ten years with no degree, schedule me in for surgery. A piece of paper makes no difference.” - Thewayitis

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It’s not the flimsy sheet of paper that is being referred to when someone says that they have a degree in this or that, it’s the fact that they contributed many years of studying the required material in order to gain the degree. It’s a sign of achievement and a feat of strength that shows a person’s dedication and desire to learn.

lol. I understand you're trying to de-value a degree by calling it a "piece of paper" but it’s more than just a piece of paper based on the value it holds. Money can be called just paper (and some other trace elements) but it’s the value that it holds which allows people to use in exchange for goods and services. I personally don’t like the idea of money having such value, but this doesn’t change the fact that it is regarded as legal tender for all debts public and private. You may not like the idea of a degree having value, but it does, even if you won’t acknowledge it.

If a person has a degree that pertains to a subject being discussed (say, a degree in US history while on the subject of the US Civil War) Then stating that he or she has that degree provides an audience with a certain bit of credibility to believe what he or she says is correct. Is it possible that he or she is mistaken? Yes. Is it possible they are lying about the degree? Certainly.

For someone who has a black belt in karate, saying so allows those around her to be aware of it. It doesn’t necessarily imply that she will win every fight someone starts with her, there’s a chance someone could beat her, also some people could lie about these things. But most people would be wise enough to take her word for it.

Within a debate these doubts do not matter, what matters is whether or not you have the winning argument regardless of your opponent having a certain credibility to what they say. If you attack a person’s credibility (when there is no obvious reason to deny its validity or relevance) you are not addressing the argument at hand, you are instead making an argument against a person, and this is not logical. If you have the winning argument, then your opponents mentioning of a degree becomes a moot point in itself without you having to point a finger directly at it.

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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It is nothing more than a flimsy piece of paper and this is why. Anybody that has enough money can buy one. Degrees are more often than not, paid for and not earned. Get your on-line degree here.

Certification and degrees aren't even worth the paper they are printed on. The educational system is broken. Disagree with the professor and you won't pass the class. You can be right, but your there to worship the words of someone that bought their right to teach you.

My grandpa is in the Ohio agriculture hall of fame for his contribution to agriculture. After all the hoopla, he was asked to pay the customary $10,000 fee to have his picture on the wall with everyone else. Not much of an honor to pay for a place in history. Colleges and universities still work on these same methods. Send them money and you become valued alumni. Send them enough and you can teach. Send them enough and you are staff.

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Coldfire(1014) Disputed
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If you are referring to some fake university or educational website that will literally print out a four year ‘degree,’ than I would have no other option than to agree with you. But if you are referring to a reputable university, can you please support your claim that a degree can be ‘bought,’ without actually earning it? I’m having trouble accepting that as it goes against my personal experience.

If a degree was more often than not, bought and not earned, than it would show when the individual gets a job in their specific field and doesn’t know the basics. It would be a waste of money on their part to do such a thing. Organizations on websites that offer the service of selling you what is essentially a fake degree are scams; they are ripping off the poor suckers who are dumb enough to believe it is that easy.

Although I agree that money should play no part in ones education what-so-ever, I find it hard to believe that it’s as easy as paying the tuition and getting a degree. I have paid thousands of dollars so far and my grades still depend on me passing tests and writing assignments as I see by my progress reports.

I also agree that a professor’s personal feelings should play no part in the education system. Given the way the system currently works with money, I would support an idea to make it illegal for professors to show any bias in their grading (and teaching for that matter). I’m not paying thousands of dollars, for example, to have some professor fail me because they or a family member of theirs is obese and I strongly dislike obesity. People should be graded on their ability, not personal issues that the professor has. I actually had to drop a class for this reason, and that is just plain sad.

Most of my professors have not been like this however, I would hardly call it a broken system for the piss poor performance of one man, which would be illogical for someone to do.

Thewayitis, I can’t help but wonder if you are pontificating on things you know practically nothing about. You don’t have to say, because after all it doesn’t matter, but do you have a degree in anything? Do you know the process it takes to acquire one first hand?

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