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Young lady, you were you the moment you were conceived, you could not have been anybody but you from that moment forward, you were you then and you are you now. Brainwaves are not you, they are caused by you as ordained by God. God ordained you to be you at the moment you were conceived....even before then He knew you would be you.
Worshipping an egg seems rather weird wouldn't you say? Allow me to clarify myself. Before you became you are today you were an egg. Once you were fertilized (sperm) you began to undergo changes. That is the very moment your physical existence started. Some may say you always existed as an egg, but it makes more sense to say you began existing when your cells first started multiplying.
That was uncalled for. Starchild did nothing worthy of a ban or such a rude response. Come on Dana, you're better than that. Please don't go back to your old ways; you've made so much progress.
The fact you claim to be a Christian has little to do with whether you have brainwaves or not but hey I guess you kind of made my point with this vacuous statement.
I speak doctor: Without possessing the neurological capacity to process data from said religion, it would be impossible to be a Christian, let alone type this. DUH!
you are avoiding the questions because you know that you cannot answer them honestly without changing the position you have adopted as a way to get along with people who will bully you if you tell them abortion is wrong. You have to get a backbone and don't be afraid to stand on the rock of truth....Jesus is the Rock of Ages, you don't have to be afraid of people who hate the truth, Jesus is the truth.
In that case, do you have any sources for making such claims?
If not, then you're a heretic using religion for personal agendas. I believe that's been the first religious connotation for the word Satan, which makes you a potential Antichrist.
(Well, I always knew that you were an irredeemable monster.)
(But, of course, that's, here, in case you don't have any sources higher than yourself for that claim.)
Well, I'm not surprised. I would have been, perhaps, if you had.
I'd recommend you don't wonder about my sexual orientation. You're too old to even think about such things, anyway. Do it just with your (fellow, if applicable) preachers.
I'd recommend you don't wonder about my sexual orientation. You're too old to even think about such things, anyway. Do it just with your (fellow, if applicable) preachers.
What do I think? I think you know in your heart how pathetic it is that you would support person's choice to take an innocent human life.
I think you live in a sick selfish world and you want to be liked by your peers so you refuse to take a stand for these vulnerable innocent babies.
You are torn by what a phoney you are becoming and this is why you create these debates. You want to hear someone say something tht would end your guilt.
Sorry, if you vote for people who even support no restriction abortions in the Democrat Party, you might as well tear those late term viable babies limb from limb yourself.
God says he knows us in the womb so who are you to support the right to kill God's people? Do you actually think he does not see through your worldly capitulation?
But the god you adore and worship approves of abortion you two faced hypocrite , you also approve of abortion or else you're saying your god is wrong , which demonstres that you are ... a two faced Christian hypocrite .... read your bible sometime ' Christian ' after all it's the word of your abortionist god .....
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
LOL so you are judging God? God gave everyone life and only he will decide who lives and dies.
People will never decide who gets to live or die. They are not God.
What a ludicrous argument. Why not say since God judges all people and decides who goes to heaven, we should expect that people can also make those choices.
I realize that Progressives believe they are the God like enlightened ones while they dictate how people can think.
I always laugh at atheists telling us all what the verses in the Bible mean. That would be like a homeless man telling a brain surgeon what he meant in his writings.
You know nothing of what you speak but of course you are an arrogant atheist progressive living in aother nation telling Americans how to think. Thats rich!
God is an invention of man, not the other way around. So to judge "God" is only to judge the infantile mentality of shepherds who lived in violent and barbaric parts of the ancient world, likewise, to cite verses and dispute them is to dispute the teachings of ancient humans. That's all. And you should recognize this, because then you might see the complete extent to which God is an obsolete concept. He is an idea used to explain phenomena back when humans didn't have the means to explain them any better. Now we have much better means.
I don't aggrieve the people who came up with the idea for coming up with it: the trade off for the human race's exceptional cognitive ability -- which makes us a monumentally strong, disproportionate outgrowth of natural selection -- is the monumental burden of being the only species on this planet capable of self-realization. That's a hard bargain: the very thing that drives us to success as a species -- a desire for meaning and understanding and knowledge -- is the same thing which makes us crave explanations for big questions so much that we are prone to assume the answers if only to discard the realities of our own fragility: we fear what we don't know, we fear death, we fear that our existence is without grand, cosmic purpose, and so we create one for ourselves. But the people who still believe in this nonsense are doing humanity a dis-service: if we are to be knowledge holders and truth seekers then let it be with evidence, fact, hard study, testable theory, and the acceptance of ourselves as evolutionary outliers, stewards of this planet, responsible for whether it burns or thrives. Why indulge our primitive desires for some egotistical, narcissistic denial of our mortality, when we have an entire planet and universe that is ripe for the application of our intelligence?
It is abundantly clear that these religious, metaphysical explanations for the world around us are no longer a help, but a hindrance to this species: they are almost always anti-scientific, unfounded, unfalsifiable, inhumane and plain wrong when exposed to even the slightest scrutiny.
"God" is clearly, undeniably an idea built upon distinctly human themes, qualities, attributes, virtues and flaws. He is entirely like humanity: proud, vengeful, arrogant, illogical, nonsensical, idiosyncratic, power-hungry, didactic, loving of some and hateful of others, cruel or kind depending on his mood, angry, self indulgent, vain, selectively generous, hypocritical, wise at times and exceedingly unwise at others, unfair, unjust, rambling, spiteful, excessively self assured, the list goes on. He imbues and embodies all the negative characteristics of ancient man: the animal which, on this basis, clearly created this concept for his own ends and means.
Give it up already. Your nonsense has failed to appeal to the natural faculties of reason inherent in man. Religion's days are numbered. Don't waste your life on it any further.
So you must be the all knowing God yourself to know how we were created. Maybe you should give yourself a cult name and garner followers to your particular all knowing cult.
You would get millions to follow you because your cult is a no fault anything goes free love cult.
No harm comes from your anti God cult. Oh wait, we have record numbers of chidren with no fathers in their homes. I guess there is much harm that comes from your amoral anything goes culture, and to hear people like you talk, it is those pesky Christians who cause harm to our society.
Who cares about the children right? They are just burdens to abort. It would have been better to kill them for any reason when they were just viable late term babies.
Your so called compassion and humanity make Christians look like saints, as they are compared to the likes of you.
Please tell us all how that first living cell came to be since you are all knowing to our creation.
He already has a cult name, and he does not care if he has followers or not.....he thinks he is a leader when he is nothing but a Dawkins trained parrot. The name of his cult is "Fools who think they are exonerated in death".
So you must be the all knowing God yourself to know how we were created.
We weren't "created".
Maybe you should give yourself a cult name and garner followers to your particular all knowing cult.
Kingus Dickus the Conqueror, I like personally.
You would get millions to follow you because your cult is a no fault anything goes free love cult.
Yea, man.
No harm comes from your anti God cult. Oh wait, we have record numbers of chidren with no fathers in their homes.
And this is atheism's fault how? Did non-belief in a creator force over half of juries in a predominantly Christian country to deny daddy access in custody cases?
I guess there is much harm that comes from your amoral anything goes culture, and to hear people like you talk, it is those pesky Christians who cause harm to our society.
I've never said anything goes.
Who cares about the children right? They are just burdens to abort.
I don't agree with no-strings abortion.
It would have been better to kill them for any reason when they were just viable late term babies.
You must be directing this towards someone else.
Your so called compassion and humanity make Christians look like saints, as they are compared to the likes of you.
Is that why most people in American jails identify as Christian? Is that why a Christian in America is over a hundred times more likely than an American atheist to commit an imprisonable offence?
Please tell us all how that first living cell came to be since you are all knowing to our creation.
I live in Ireland, so no, I haven't voted for the American Democratic Party. Regardless, that party is made up of various people with varying views. Not all Democrats support no-restriction abortions, and not all people who voted for the Democrats support all of their policies.
That's the problem with American politics: you have two parties to choose from.
If I was an American I would have voted for an independent in the last election. I don't like Hlllary Clinton and I don't like Donald Trump. I think the Democratic party are too caught up in the psychosexual dogma and I think the Republican party are too caught up in the religious dogma, and I think the American populace are too willing to fight and hate each other as an extension of the way the two major parties behave, and I think it's what will wreck America.
When I was growing up -- when I was young -- America was considered by most of the world to be a place of intelligence, forward-thinking, rationality, pure and simple morality. It was the country with a hero-complex and a moral core and a collective desire to help one another despite differences.
We agree on what America used to be. I was living during those years and I know 100% our values stemmed from our Christian heritage.
The Progressive left came along 50 years ago and started their fixation with separating any mention of our Christian heritage from public. They are continuing it today with their fixation on LGBTQXYZABC agendas. That was the beginnng of the end.
I did not mean you would necessarily vote for Hillary but rather you would have no problem voting for the Democrat Party that supports no restriction abortions. I would almost guarantee you that your so called stance against no restriction abortions would not prevent you from ever voting for these extreme pro abortion Democrats.
I'm truly sick of all the Americans who say they are against no restriction abortions and then vote for Democrats.
People of every faith founded America. Your greatest political thinkers were enlightenment era deists and atheists. Arguably your most successful and influential President, Abraham Lincoln, was entirely against the slavery dogma espoused by many of the churches in the country; Martin Luther King Jr. was a nonviolent, forward-thinking collectivist. Your Constitution is the only constitution of all countries which specifically separates the church from the state, and provides no room for the legal or governmental preference to one establishment of religion or irreligion.
As for the rest of this, I just told you I would have voted for an Independent if I were American. You can' "guarantee" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't have voted Democrat if I was a US citizen lol.
Abraham Lincoln was a strong Christian along with many other Christians who wanted to end slavery, but the Democrat party at that time supported slavery.
Martin Luther King Jr. was also a Christian. Thank you for poving my point of our Christian heritage.
Liberals in this nation have no problem voting for Democrats no matter how extreme they are with no restriction abortions.
Any person who would vote for this extreme pro abortion Party would have been teh same types of people who would have voted for Democrats when they supported slavery. These same phoneys would be sayng they are personally aganst slavery but they are not a one issue voter and therefore will still vote for Democrats.
THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE PHONEYS.
Maybe you would not be a phoney, but if you are Progressive, Liberal, or whatever the PC name of the day, you probably would be voting for the pro abortion Party no matter if they call themselves independent, etc.
The independent Party is pro abortion just like the Democrat Party.
Independents are independent. They have no partisan political affiliation. They are independent.
If you're referring to the specific Independent Party formed in 1967, though, they are an extreme far-right party. Anti-abortion. Paleoconservative. Segregative.
I'm referring to the independent Party in America at the current time.
The New Independent Party makes this statement.....
"On the issue of the right to a “Late Term Abortion,” which is also not protected by the Supreme Court's decision, we will neither support nor oppose legislative efforts at the state level to restrict such abortions. We would oppose legislation at the federal level to either confer or deny the right to a "late term abortion."
Do you get it? These are the phoneys on the Left I keep speaking to. With one side of their mouth, they speak like you saying they do not support late term abortions, but then go on to say they would not prevent them!
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL, do you phoneys think you are kidding anyone? When a particular Party supports inhumanity to our innocent lives, what kind of person with an ounce of compassion and humanity in their souls could ever vote for a Politican who spports infanticide? That is what no restritions abortions of viable babies is. INFANTICIDE!
The don't allow late term abortions in my country, and yes I get to vote. Even if they did allow late term abortions, I am under no obligation to agree with it, nor to vote for the party who supports it.
No I don't believe in god you idiot , I'm educating you in what it says in a book you've never read as in the bible ... your welcome .
What your saying is you have no counter arguments to justify your abortionist god making you morally bankrupt ; incidentally I wasn't always atheist and I know more about the bible than you and indeed most Americans of your type as in trailer trash .
I never told Americans how to think you seem to do that all by yourself with your daily rants ; so tell me why do you support an abortionist god if you're anti abortion ?
You are lke most bigots who hate Christians. Most like you were once Christian but could not handle any notion that you have sins. Your insecurities can not stand having anyone say you are not perfect just the way you are. Usually there are narcissistic qualities as well.
News flash, hate and unforgiveness and holding grudges does nothing but hurt the person living with all that anger.
Liked I would waste one more second debating the likes of you..... GET A LIFE YOU INSECURE DYSFUNCTIONAL BIGOT.
You can spend your life hating people or you can break free from your pain and stop blaming God.
Wrong again Im married to a ... Christian 🙀 Your psychological evaluation of my qualities is as usual merely the perambulations of your fevered brain .
If you feel so strongly about hating ,anger and holding grudges maybe you should stop doing it 🤔
Ah I see you have no justification for your abortionist god making you in actuality the real hypocrite and bigot 🖕
So tell me do you agree with god carrying out abortion you ' Christian ' hypocrite ?
You can spend the rest of your miserable trailer trash life loving and supporting your abortionist god , stop blaming atheists for what your god does in a book you or your trailer trash family have never read 🖕
Why would that be the case? Why is has life got anything to do with brainwaves? You really have no idea about any of this which is why you keep flipflopping from being pro life to pro choice every few months.
Life begins when you are out in the world. Or as soon as you're a sperm. Depends on how you want to define it, it can be as soon as you're the proteins and stuff that'd make the sperm.
You might not want to listen to these hypocritical lunatics who pretend to be prolife. Especially that maggot from within - he's just a disgraceful fluff for all his labels, and his exact positions match that worth.
Life begins at conception but for some reason Democrats just can't grasp that factual science. There is a real disconnect with Democrats and human reproduction. There is between 7.5 billion and 10 billion people that inhabit the earth. If life didn't begin at conception then how did all these people come to inhabit the earth. Animals have been around about 600 million years and how did that happen without life beginning at conception.
Without blood flowing through your legs, you won't feel pain when pinched, hit, burnt. Half dead
Pain is an evidence of life as a result of blood.
Try pressing a pimple on your face and compare it to a full being(baby), being squeezed or crushed, even worse sliced through with a sharp tool or poisoned to suffocate.
The brain without blood is useless.
Plus the brain and heart develops within 3to 5weeks.......
How early do most women learn about their pregnancies?
No that's not when life begins... That's when the fetus contains all necessary organs to sustain itself outside the womb. Until that time its a parasite living off of the female carrying it.
A meaningful life doesn't exist without brainwaves. A fetus can't experience thoughts or pain until the neocortex and the thalamocortical connections and pathways have developed. Before then, it's basically equivalent to someone who is brain dead. The neocortex develops at 24 weeks, and the thalamocortical connections and pathways develop at 26 weeks.
The brain is what makes us a person. It controls our thoughts and emotions, and holds our memories, personalities, hopes, and dreams. Without a functioning brain we are nothing more than an empty shell, which is what I believe a fetus is in the early stages of development.
Some pro-life advocates have pointed out that electrical activity can be seen in some parts of the brain at as early as 8 weeks. However, what that fail to understand is electrical activity is not the same as brain waves, which indicate cognition. Think of it like this. Old TV sets just displayed static when not tuned to a channel. That's the brain's early electrical activity. True brainwaves are like the TV when it is tuned to a channel.
My personal opinion on abortion is that as long as it is done before the fetus has a brain capable of cognition, I'm okay with it. I'm against late-term abortion, and was disappointed in the Democrats in the senate who voted against banning it last year.
Very interesting position. So as long as the fetus has no signs of cognition abortion acceptable in your eyes? Also, if I may ask, let's say a fetus is aborted while in has cognition, but isn't to far in the pregnancy, how does that affect your view?
"So as long as the fetus has no signs of cognition abortion acceptable in your eyes?"
Correct
"let's say a fetus is aborted while in has cognition, but isn't to far in the pregnancy, how does that affect your view?"
As I stated, cognition doesn't develop until late into the pregnancy. Are you suggesting a hypothetical situation where that isn't the case? If so, once cognition has developed I'm against abortion, regardless of how far along the pregnancy is.
As I stated, cognition doesn't develop until late into the pregnancy. Are you suggesting a hypothetical situation where that isn't the case? If so, once cognition has developed I'm against abortion, regardless of how far along the pregnancy is.
I was curious if you were very strict on the line of cognition. I see you are. Thank you for your response. I typically hold the same belief.
