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 What do you think about the concept that life begins when the fetus has brainwaves? (41)

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What do you think about the concept that life begins when the fetus has brainwaves?

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Young lady, you were you the moment you were conceived, you could not have been anybody but you from that moment forward, you were you then and you are you now. Brainwaves are not you, they are caused by you as ordained by God. God ordained you to be you at the moment you were conceived....even before then He knew you would be you.

Sitar(3680) Disputed
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I did not exist until I had brainwaves....................................................................................................

Starchild123(832) Disputed Banned
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You existed when your cells began to multiply. Your existence began when the egg became fertilized and underwent changes.

Atrag(5556) Clarified
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To be honest, I see little life then in your case.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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So you are only some sort of hologram produced by your brain, and you cease to exist when your brainwaves stop?

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In that case, do you have any sources for making such claims?

If not, then you're a heretic using religion for personal agendas. I believe that's been the first religious connotation for the word Satan, which makes you a potential Antichrist.

(Well, I always knew that you were an irredeemable monster.)

(But, of course, that's, here, in case you don't have any sources higher than yourself for that claim.)

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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You are a sodomite? correct ?

What do I think? I think you know in your heart how pathetic it is that you would support person's choice to take an innocent human life.

I think you live in a sick selfish world and you want to be liked by your peers so you refuse to take a stand for these vulnerable innocent babies.

You are torn by what a phoney you are becoming and this is why you create these debates. You want to hear someone say something tht would end your guilt.

Sorry, if you vote for people who even support no restriction abortions in the Democrat Party, you might as well tear those late term viable babies limb from limb yourself.

God says he knows us in the womb so who are you to support the right to kill God's people? Do you actually think he does not see through your worldly capitulation?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Is that why you create so many abortion debates? Try thinking about it for once.

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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But the god you adore and worship approves of abortion you two faced hypocrite , you also approve of abortion or else you're saying your god is wrong , which demonstres that you are ... a two faced Christian hypocrite .... read your bible sometime ' Christian ' after all it's the word of your abortionist god .....

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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LOL so you are judging God? God gave everyone life and only he will decide who lives and dies.

People will never decide who gets to live or die. They are not God.

What a ludicrous argument. Why not say since God judges all people and decides who goes to heaven, we should expect that people can also make those choices.

I realize that Progressives believe they are the God like enlightened ones while they dictate how people can think.

I always laugh at atheists telling us all what the verses in the Bible mean. That would be like a homeless man telling a brain surgeon what he meant in his writings.

You know nothing of what you speak but of course you are an arrogant atheist progressive living in aother nation telling Americans how to think. Thats rich!

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Why would that be the case? Why is has life got anything to do with brainwaves? You really have no idea about any of this which is why you keep flipflopping from being pro life to pro choice every few months.

Life begins when you are out in the world. Or as soon as you're a sperm. Depends on how you want to define it, it can be as soon as you're the proteins and stuff that'd make the sperm.

You might not want to listen to these hypocritical lunatics who pretend to be prolife. Especially that maggot from within - he's just a disgraceful fluff for all his labels, and his exact positions match that worth.

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Life begins at conception but for some reason Democrats just can't grasp that factual science. There is a real disconnect with Democrats and human reproduction. There is between 7.5 billion and 10 billion people that inhabit the earth. If life didn't begin at conception then how did all these people come to inhabit the earth. Animals have been around about 600 million years and how did that happen without life beginning at conception.

Life starts from blood.

Without blood flowing through your legs, you won't feel pain when pinched, hit, burnt. Half dead

Pain is an evidence of life as a result of blood.

Try pressing a pimple on your face and compare it to a full being(baby), being squeezed or crushed, even worse sliced through with a sharp tool or poisoned to suffocate.

The brain without blood is useless.

Plus the brain and heart develops within 3to 5weeks.......

How early do most women learn about their pregnancies?

4Weeks time.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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Life starts at conception. You were you before blood flowed through your veins.

jeffreyone(1378) Clarified
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Life starts at conception. You were you before blood flowed through your veins.

I personally believe that but let's come down to the level of these people, where existence means measurement(materially).

No that's not when life begins... That's when the fetus contains all necessary organs to sustain itself outside the womb. Until that time its a parasite living off of the female carrying it.

A meaningful life doesn't exist without brainwaves. A fetus can't experience thoughts or pain until the neocortex and the thalamocortical connections and pathways have developed. Before then, it's basically equivalent to someone who is brain dead. The neocortex develops at 24 weeks, and the thalamocortical connections and pathways develop at 26 weeks.

The brain is what makes us a person. It controls our thoughts and emotions, and holds our memories, personalities, hopes, and dreams. Without a functioning brain we are nothing more than an empty shell, which is what I believe a fetus is in the early stages of development.

Some pro-life advocates have pointed out that electrical activity can be seen in some parts of the brain at as early as 8 weeks. However, what that fail to understand is electrical activity is not the same as brain waves, which indicate cognition. Think of it like this. Old TV sets just displayed static when not tuned to a channel. That's the brain's early electrical activity. True brainwaves are like the TV when it is tuned to a channel.

My personal opinion on abortion is that as long as it is done before the fetus has a brain capable of cognition, I'm okay with it. I'm against late-term abortion, and was disappointed in the Democrats in the senate who voted against banning it last year.

Cue FromWithin's usual rant that we've all heard a million times in 3...2...1...

BTW, I'm still waiting for answers to those questions in the other debate.

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Very interesting position. So as long as the fetus has no signs of cognition abortion acceptable in your eyes? Also, if I may ask, let's say a fetus is aborted while in has cognition, but isn't to far in the pregnancy, how does that affect your view?

LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
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"So as long as the fetus has no signs of cognition abortion acceptable in your eyes?"


"let's say a fetus is aborted while in has cognition, but isn't to far in the pregnancy, how does that affect your view?"

As I stated, cognition doesn't develop until late into the pregnancy. Are you suggesting a hypothetical situation where that isn't the case? If so, once cognition has developed I'm against abortion, regardless of how far along the pregnancy is.