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Yes, Lolzors93 is a psycho, I already covered this.... 2
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If God told us to do something we must obey Him. Even if it was to torture a 3 year old? And also this was a hypothetical situation so in reality God wouldn't tell someone to torture someone because they disagree on a color. Irrelevant point still stands that if he thought god told him to torture a 3 year old, he would. 1
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Using "God's will" to justify murder is complete and utter bollocks. It wouldn't be murder though. pakietus is right; by doing so, you're no better than Islamic extremists, only with a differing religion, one that's just as fanatical and insane. Actually, its completely different. Islam's fundamental view is that of violence and hatred and revenge. Christianity is all about peace and love and restraint. So, if the Christian God were to order something, it would be something that had been written on humanity's heart, making this a good thing to do, while it would also be in love. Completely different. Christians serve a different character. Thus, when the argument asks whether one would do X, something that God would not order, then it is inferring that X is that of a good character. You could do the same thing for Islam. Their god is that of violence and hate. You could ask them this: would you do it if God told you to give ice cream to a bunch of homeless people? The answer would still be yes; however, the difference is in the already assumed notion of the action being that which their God's character fit, which is that of violence. So, no. This is in no way equivalent. 1: We are not talking about compare and contrast religions, or which religion is best. 2: I said that you are the same as an Islamic jihadist, because a jihadist is willing to kill at command from his god, and your are willing to do the same. The difference is that they do and you don't. 2: I said that you are the same as an Islamic jihadist, because a jihadist is willing to kill at command from his god, and your are willing to do the same. The difference is that they do and you don't. The character of the Gods are different. Thus, this makes it completely different. 1
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Have you read the Bible? It is all about love and peace. Yes, that is why their is genocide, slavery, homophobia, sexism, etc. That is why the god in the bible has killed significantly more than the evil Devil? That is why god created humanity, just to put humanity in a shitty situation where they need god's help, so that they can appreciate said god even though this said god fucked them over in the first place. Yes this is totally all about love. Yes, that is why their is genocide, slavery, homophobia, sexism, etc. That is why the god in the bible has killed significantly more than the evil Devil? That is why god created humanity, just to put humanity in a shitty situation where they need god's help, so that they can appreciate said god even though this said god fucked them over in the first place. Yes this is totally all about love. It is. 1
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Every non-Christian thinks that Christians are insane. Its nature. Actually, this is untrue. I don't think all Christians are insane, just you (and maybe Srom, since he advocates that murder, when herald by God, is perfectly acceptable). I personally know an online personality that I'm very much close to (and have the utmost respect for), and guess what, he's Christian. Actually, this is untrue. I don't think all Christians are insane, just you (and maybe Srom, since he advocates that murder, when herald by God, is perfectly acceptable). I personally know an online personality that I'm very much close to (and have the utmost respect for), and guess what, he's Christian. And I'm pretty sure that every other Christian will say that they would do the same: if God told them to kill, then they would kill. 1
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I facepalmed so hard my hand got torn off. 1
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I can repost this over and over again if you like: "Lolzors93s religion of peace": 1. Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God: " Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) 2. Kill Followers of Other Religions: 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) 2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) 3. Kill People for Working on the Sabbath: The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) 4.Infidels and Gays Should Die: So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) 5. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) 6. Kill Nonbelievers: They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) 7. If A Man Rapes A Woman, He Should Marry Her: "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) 8. Death To Rape Victim: "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) 9. Rape Of Female Captives: "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) 10. Sex Slaves: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Christian inspired atrocities: 1. Crusades 2. Spanish Inquisition 3. Witch hunts 4. Mass muder, enslavement, and forced relocation of The Native Americans 5. Enslavement of Africans 6. Holocaust (Hitler identified as catholic many times and in his speech at the Reichstag in 1936 he said: “I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.” He also managed to gather the support of the predominatley Christian population of Germany and Churches) 7. Bombing of abortion clinics 8. Rwandan Genocide (although often argued that it was politically motivated, multiple churches and priests participated) 9. Genocide of Bosnian Muslims in the Yugoslavic wars of the 90's 10. Ngo Diems perseccution of buddhists during his rule of South Vietnam 11. Destruction of Pagans during the Christian rule of the Roman Empire 12. The Catholic Church "Pedophile" network 13. Genocides in Africa being condoned and commited by various Christian churches and priests 14. Bushes "faith inspired" war on terror has caused over millions of lives ranging from American and NATO soldiers to countless of Afghan and Iraqi civilians. 15. Mass murder, enslavement, and forced relocation of Austrailian natives 16. Throughout the history of the Russian empire, the various Czars with the backing of the Russian Orthodox Church persecuted Jews and ethnic minorities. 17. Charlemagne had 4500 saxons beheaded for refusing to convert to Christianity 18. Catholic led extermination camps in Croatia during the early 1940's 19. The Modern day Catholic church discourages use of contraceptives in heavily HIV infested parts of Africa, causing the lives of many to AIDS each year 20. The largley "Catholic" Irish Republican Army and their violent campaign in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Etc. 1
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If you look at the Islamic-theocracy the Middle East today, thats pretty much how Europe was back during the Dark Ages, except they were Christian theocrats. The reason why most Christians today don't take every word of the Bible literally is because of the enlightment era. Islam hasnt had this yet. 1
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Islam's fundamental view is that of violence and hatred and revenge. Christianity is all about peace and love and restraint. They are both the same, the difference is that Islam encourages violence against it's members. CHRISTIANITY ABOUT PEACE? Apparently billions being tortured for all eternity is peaceful... But God is is peace! OH NO YOU DON'T! Peace has very objective definition: "freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility." Hell does not sound very peaceful, and hell IS part of Christianity. So, yeah. Their god is that of violence and hate. I could use the same logic you use. You say God can do whatever he wants because everything he does is good and loving. The same applies to the Muslim Allah! EVERYTHING he does is good and loving BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING ALLAH! That's the problem, if some crazy guy thinks God is asking him to kill someone, and they share your philosophy, they would go ahead and do it. Same thing as Muslim jihadists, they think Allah is asking them to kill Americans, and they are willing to. That's the problem with your philosophy. One question tho, if if God asked you to do it, would you have some second thoughts, think about it, or feel some guilt after the deed is done? 2
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That's the problem, if some crazy guy thinks God is asking him to kill someone, and they share your philosophy, they would go ahead and do it. It all has to do with the Holy Spirit telling them what to do. Not their own natural instincts. Same thing as Muslim jihadists, they think Allah is asking them to kill Americans, and they are willing to. Muslims do it because it says in the Quran they must kill non Muslims to get into paradise. One question tho, if if God asked you to do it, would you have some second thoughts, think about it, or feel some guilt after the deed is done? God wouldn't allow that sort of thing. Take for example the story of Abraham when God told him to kill his son Issac as a test. Abraham was about to kill his son but an angel stopped him. So if God told me to do something then I would think it was test and even if God didn't stop it, I wouldn't feel any guilt or shame because I did something for God and I fulfilled something for Him. It all has to do with the Holy Spirit telling them what to do. Not their own natural instincts. 1: Being crazy isn't "a natural instinct" 2: Crazy people can end up believing crazy things, you are ignoring the question. Muslims do it because it says in the Quran they must kill non Muslims to get into paradise. Depends on your interpretation, really. There are various moderate Muslims. God wouldn't allow that sort of thing. I'm speaking hypothetically. One more question, when you study the Bible, what version do you use? All Muslims have to do it. facepalm Of course not all Muslims follow a literal interpretation of the Quran. Fail. I know. NIV Fail. The English versions of the bible have been dumbed down so people can understand it. It's fine for reading, but if you really want to study it, use the original Hebrew or Greek, or an interlinear translation, theses can be found free online. It doesn't say anything about God, it merely says something about you. Imagine this scenario: You know God is asking you to torture and murder a little baby. Once you're finished, it turns God never told you to! What would you do then? Turn yourself in? Why? According to you, all your sins are washed away by Christ, therefore you do not have to pay, therefore you do not have to turn yourself in! Imagine this scenario: You know God is asking you to torture and murder a little baby. Once you're finished, it turns God never told you to! What would you do then? This is not the hypothetical. The hypothetical of knowing God to have told me something is that of it actually having happened, not me perceiving it to have happened, making me incorrect in doing so. Turn yourself in? Why? According to you, all your sins are washed away by Christ, therefore you do not have to pay, therefore you do not have to turn yourself in! Exactly. Christ died for the sinful, which is a great blessing. There is no fear; for if I do for God, then I have done good. This is not the hypothetical. The hypothetical of knowing God to have told me something is that of it actually having happened, not me perceiving it to have happened, making me incorrect in doing so. facepalm If you are truly convinced that God is telling you to do this, and after you do it, it turns God never asked you to. What do you do then? Exactly. Christ died for the sinful, which is a great blessing. There is no fear; for if I do for God, then I have done good. So a Christian can be worse than Hitler, massacre and torture billions, rape billions of CHILDREN, but if he repents he gets to go to eternal paradise, amirite? And let's say the children he raped were Jewish, they obviously deserve eternal torture, rite? If you are truly convinced that God is telling you to do this, and after you do it, it turns God never asked you to. What do you do then? I would repent. So a Christian can be worse than Hitler, massacre and torture billions, rape billions of CHILDREN, but if he repents he gets to go to eternal paradise, amirite? And let's say the children he raped were Jewish, they obviously deserve eternal torture, rite? We all deserve hell. The only thing that can save us is God's grace and mercy. 1
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God's nature is that of justice. So if He were to command us to do X, then it is just to do X. I would do that which is just above all else, since it is that which God loves, and it is in reverence to Him. Hence, I would do that which God tells me to do. So in the hypothetical of God ordering the torture of a 3 year old, it would be that which is just. Hence, I would do it. And no it has nothing to do with whether I think God told me to do something; it says that if God did tell me to do something, then I would do it. 1
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God's nature is that of justice. o if He were to command us to do X, then it is just to do X. I would do that which is just above all else, since it is that which God loves, and it is in reverence to Him. Hence, I would do that which God tells me to do. So in the hypothetical of God ordering the torture of a 3 year old, it would be that which is just. Hence, I would do it. because god is omnibenevolent right? let me ask you this, if being omnibenevolent just means obeying god, and god asks you to do something reprehensible, why would you still want to be just, being obeying god is the definition of just. And no it has nothing to do with whether I think God told me to do something; it says that if God did tell me to do something, then I would do it. it says if god DID tell you to do something you would do it, which therefore means if you genuinely think god told you to do something you would do it. because god is omnibenevolent right? let me ask you this, if being omnibenevolent just means obeying god, and god asks you to do something reprehensible, why would you still want to be just, being obeying god is the definition of just. God's nature is that of goodness and love. He is ontologically these things. This is a hypothetical, which means that we can hypothetically discount our emotions, since God has written on our hearts His law (i.e. humans know what is moral and not moral). So our conscience comes from God making it such that we know His law. So, if God were to command X, then X would be on our hearts. So, since torturing 3 year olds is X, then this would be written on our hearts. Our conscience would say that we have done wrong if we were not to do it. So, if God were to command this, then i would feel no guilt in doing so, since my heart would be in line with my heart. it says if god DID tell you to do something you would do it, which therefore means if you genuinely think god told you to do something you would do it. It says that if I know God to have told me, then I would do it. There is no possible perception in this hypothetical. 1
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This is a hypothetical, which means that we can hypothetically discount our emotions, since God has written on our hearts His law (i.e. humans know what is moral and not moral). So our conscience comes from God making it such that we know His law. So, if God were to command X, then X would be on our hearts. So, since torturing 3 year olds is X, then this would be written on our hearts. Our conscience would say that we have done wrong if we were not to do it. So, if God were to command this, then i would feel no guilt in doing so, since my heart would be in line with my heart. How do you know this? It says that if I know God to have told me, then I would do it. There is no possible perception in this hypothetical. If you genuinely thought you knew. 1
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The Book of Romans How do you know the book of romans is true? I can genuinely think that God is real, but not know it to be true. So, thought and knowledge are two different things. Thought and knowledge are two different things, but you never know if you REALLY know, what you would state that you know, will always be what you thing you know no matter what. How do you know the book of romans is true? Yet again, a part of the hypothetical. Thought and knowledge are two different things, but you never know if you REALLY know, what you would state that you know, will always be what you thing you know no matter what. And this is a hypothetical, to which I can know something truly. 1
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Yet again, a part of the hypothetical. No it wasn't when asked if you would torture a 3 year old, the hypothetical never said if the Christian god asked you, just god. So in this hypothesis you don't know if anything about the bible is true. And this is a hypothetical, to which I can know something truly. Yes the hypothetical, asks if god asked you to torture a 3 year old would you, and you would, that means if you knew god asked you to, which would really be you thinking you know god asked you to, you would torture a 3 year old. Even if in the hypothetical you truly did know, it stills says that if you knew (or if you thought you knew) you would. No it wasn't when asked if you would torture a 3 year old, the hypothetical never said if the Christian god asked you, just god. So in this hypothesis you don't know if anything about the bible is true. The implication, since we were talking about the Christian God, was that of this God being the Christian God. 1
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The implication, since we were talking about the Christian God, was that of this God being the Christian God. Ok I'll give you that, now how do you know that the Christian god was YOUR interpretation of the christian god? Furthermore how do you know the bible is really the word of god? EDIT: or rather that the bible hasn't been tampered with? Ok I'll give you that, now how do you know that the Christian god was YOUR interpretation of the christian god? Furthermore how do you know the bible is really the word of god? This is irrelevant. or rather that the bible hasn't been tampered with? This is irrelevant. Stop applying practical questions to hypotheticals. 1
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This is irrelevant. How so? This is irrelevant How so? Stop applying practical questions to hypotheticals. They are relative to the hypothetical question, they to are hypothetical questions for a hypothetical question. Hypothetically do you know that the bible is 100% true, that the bible was never tampered with? No? than you don't hypothetically know that the book of romans is true. This is irrelevant. Might or might not be irrelevant to what you were discussing with zephyr, but I am willing to discuss this with you. "How do you know that the Christian god was YOUR interpretation of the christian god?" "Furthermore how do you know the bible is really the word of god?" "or rather that the bible hasn't been tampered with?" God commanded his followers to do many things, a few of which, I know you haven't done (or at least, I hope you haven't done). Do you only find it necessary to obey God's less rational orders when he speaks to you directly or is an order of that caliber just as important when given to all of his followers? God commanded his followers to do many things, a few of which, I know you haven't done (or at least, I hope you haven't done). Do you only find it necessary to obey God's less rational orders when he speaks to you directly or is an order of that caliber just as important when given to all of his followers? I try to follow all of His commands to me. You have no definition of "good" or "bad", you merely do whatever your deity commands, and label it as good. Good to you is only what your deity tells you, therefore, there is no need for rules or punishment. The saved (by your logic) can do whatever they want, and not worry about the consequences, since belief in Christ will save them. The unsaved can do the same too, since they will die no matter what, as all have sinned, there is no point in following the rules if they cannot adhere by them, so they might as well enjoy the time they have left. That pretty much is the problem with your philosophy. You have no definition of "good" or "bad", you merely do whatever your deity commands, and label it as good. Good to you is only what your deity tells you, therefore, there is no need for rules or punishment. Morality is absolute and objective. We try to obey that which is good morally, since it is from God. The saved (by your logic) can do whatever they want, and not worry about the consequences, since belief in Christ will save them. The unsaved can do the same too, since they will die no matter what, as all have sinned, there is no point in following the rules if they cannot adhere by them, so they might as well enjoy the time they have left. This is true. We live by the law of grace. But as Paul says all over his letters, we are not to live by sin. Instead, we are to live by the law of grace, submitting ourselves to everyone, so that everyone may be saved, recognizing ourselves as being dead to sin, having died in Christ, so that we may live in a sinless state of being with Christ as our brother. So we try to uphold morality. Those who are unbelievers do not uphold morality. That pretty much is the problem with your philosophy. There is no problem with my philosophy. 1
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Morality is absolute and objective. care to prove your claim there? We try to obey that which is good morally, since it is from God. and what is morally good is what god deems it to be, so it's not really about obeying morally as much as it is just about obeying... since moral and obeying god are pretty much synonymous kinda makes "obey that which is good morally, since it is from god" kind of redundant. This is true. We live by the law of grace. But as Paul says all over his letters, we are not to live by sin. Instead, we are to live by the law of grace, submitting ourselves to everyone, so that everyone may be saved, recognizing ourselves as being dead to sin, having died in Christ, so that we may live in a sinless state of being with Christ as our brother. So we try to uphold morality. No you mean they uphold their own moralities which are backwards, and primitive and lets not forget oppressive. Those who are unbelievers do not uphold morality. No, you mean they don't uphold YOUR morality which is backwards, and primitive and lets not forget oppressive. care to prove your claim there? God is objectively just and good. Morality is from Him. and what is morally good is what god deems it to be, so it's not really about obeying morally as much as it is just about obeying... since moral and obeying god are pretty much synonymous kinda makes "obey that which is good morally, since it is from god" kind of redundant. Doing that which is moral involves having reverence to God. No you mean they uphold their own moralities which are backwards, and primitive and lets not forget oppressive. Christian morals are neither backwards nor oppressive. No, you mean they don't uphold YOUR morality which is backwards, and primitive and lets not forget oppressive. Morality is objective. 1
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God is objectively just and good. Morality is from Him. So morality is objective because morality is from an objectively moral being? That is circular reasoning... you have to prove an objectively moral being exists in order for that objectively moral being's existence to prove that objective morality exists. Doing that which is moral involves having reverence to God. To you! Morality involves having reverence to god, to YOU! Christian morals are neither backwards nor oppressive. Ok so, discriminating against gays, women, african-americans, etc is not oppressive? Those aren't necessary to be a christian, but a lot of Christians have a morality with these elements that are based on Christianity. Another thing is, how can you call christian morality objective, if it isn't at all concrete? Nobody can even figure out what Christian morality really is, with all the interpretations, Christian morality seems hardly objective at all. Morality is objective. Prove it. Ok so, discriminating against gays, women, african-americans, etc is not oppressive? Those aren't necessary to be a christian, but a lot of Christians have a morality with these elements that are based on Christianity. Another thing is, how can you call christian morality objective, if it isn't at all concrete? Nobody can even figure out what Christian morality really is, with all the interpretations, Christian morality seems hardly objective at all. How does Christianity discriminate against those people? 1
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How does Christianity discriminate against those people? Because it is, or at least was written or implied in the bible, and the bible has been interpreted to have bigoted views like this... which I knew this point would come up, considering how their are so many interpretations of the bible, how can you say that biblicial morality is at all objective, the bible doesn't even objectively express any certain moral framework. You know something that annoys me? When hardcore Christians (lolzors93) go around attacking Muslims because of jihadists, when some of these Christians (lolzors93) have said they would do the same, if commanded by their deity. So, if the other guys do it it's bad, but if we do it it's fine. Abraham was ordered by God to kill His own son. However, as I have stated many times before, he knew that God would have a substitute for him. God did find a substitute on the very place of the sacrifice, which is the very place to which Jesus would be sacrificed. Joshua was ordered to kill the children of a nation, who had been deemed evil. No torture had been commanded. 1
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yes and no, it changes the conditions of your moral choice, but it doesn't change your whole moral framework. The fact that hypothetically you would torture a 3 year old if god told you to, says something about your moral framework, even if it ONLY says that you would torture a 3 year old in a certain condition, you would still torture a 3 year old. If this condition was reasonable like, it somehow saved all of humanity, as disgusting as that would be, you would be a lot more justified. In this scenario, you care more about your gods approval or disapproval then you do for the well being of that 3 year old. 1
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You're not understanding. God wouldn't order that, so its not a part of my moral framework. This is a hypothetical, meaning that it is a hypothetical framework. It's not just a hypothetical moral framework, it is your ACTUAL moral framework, since hypothetically if god did ask you to torture a 3 year old, you would ACTUALLY do it, therefore you agree that if ever asked by god to torture a 3 year old, you should do it, that is a moral that you possess, you just haven't acted on it yet, and I hope you never do. Guys, I made a new debate here: http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ |
