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What is Good about Socialism?
Socialism as an economic system is legalized theft. Most people would consider theft "bad" In socialism there is no incentive for achievement, in layman terms things like cell phones, or video games, facebook, would not have been created in socialism as there would be no benefit to the creator. In socialism the only people with wealth are the officials who are in charge of the wealth distribution. Please for the supporters of this fill me in on the "Good"
Socialism as an economic system is legalized theft.
This is quite literally the most stupid, unforgivably false accusation imaginable. Socialism aims to correct the legalised theft which goes on when the profit produced by your labour is stolen by somebody else who uses it to makes themselves rich. Socialism aims to create a world where people are entitled to the full fruits of their own hard work.
Frankly, you can fuck off. Liars, con men and general exploiters of our species have been telling the same lies about socialism for over a hundred years.
In socialism the government takes the bulk of the money by threat of force (theft) I don't give the government 1/3 of my earnings because I know they will spend it better and more responsibly than I would, I give them 1/3 of my income because they take it from me by threat of force if anyone but the government does it it's called theft. The Government calls it taxation.
In socialism the government takes the bulk of the money by threat of force (theft)
I agree that taxation is theft and I agree that socialism steals. It steals back what was stolen by the government, banks and corporations and gives it to the community.
So what incentive is there for companies to stay in the socialist societies if they can go to capitalist societies and make money? FYI Banks are run by the people who control the governments of the world so there is no economic system which they will not exploit. There are still people who will collect and redistribute the wealth these would be the bankers and politicians.Are you really trying to say they would give back what they have stolen? Reality check they will just like corporations take their portion and distribute what's left. There will be no difference they will be super wealthy from your labor.
So what incentive is there for companies to stay in the socialist societies
Socialist countries don't have companies, at least not the kind you're used to. It's called collective ownership of the means of production.
FYI Banks are run by the people
No they're not they're run by a handful of individuals who happen to own banks.
There are still people who will collect and redistribute the wealth these would be the bankers and politicians.
That's not how it works, Capitalists don't lead socialist revolutions and reformations that's why they're called capitalists, if they wanted to redistribute wealth to themselves they would just keep things the way they are because as it is most of the wealth is being allocated into the pockets of the wealthy.
So you seem to be discussing a theoretical unrealistic version of socialism that doesn't work for the same reasons.
In the real world most of the profit bearing entities are privately owned so either the collective would have to steal the company by force or the owner would have to sell it to the collective or more likely the owner would move the company to a capitalist society. Socialist societies are not known for their innovative ideas worldwide because as I have mentioned there is not incentive. If we look at reality we see the innovative people from socialist societies defecting to capitalist societies. Just something to think about how many Americans defect to socialist countries? How many people defect from socialist countries to the USA? It shouldn't be difficult to see which system is better.
I would like to address the Banking issue there are banks in socialist societies and there are politicians in socialist societies Banks own the politicians and in a collective society who do you think control the monetary system? Politicians and bankers who currently are the biggest thieves in the world? Politicians and bankers. If we look historically at the failure of socialism in the world the cause of failure is always the corruption of the bankers and politicians. In the USA bankers and politicians are still the most corrupt section of society and they would be the ones implementing the socialist agenda.
To address your last comment Who would be in charge of the redistribution of the wealth? How would this be carried out? If for one second you think that politicians and bankers would not be involved you lying to yourself. These are the people who steal your money. the "capitalist businessman" just sets up a business and creates a profit by offering a service or producing a product. If they are successful they give jobs to many people and make a profit from their service or product. Bankers take the wealth of other people and turn that into wealth for themselves and if successful wealth for those who have invested in them. Politicians take wealth from people by force spend it like they stole it live in luxury and create more ways to steal the wealth of the people they rule over. So again I ask who will redistribute the wealth?
It's great until they run out of other people's money to give away to the workshy benefiteers and illegal immigrants.
After making their inevitable economic mess they roll over and let a conservative administration balance the books and then have the audacity to criticise the austerity measures which were necessary to introduce to rectify their eye-watering ineptness.
Why would anyone without a brain join a debate site? You have no intellect to debate. There are others like you why don't you join an ignorant argument site? That seems like it would be more to your ability.
The only good part of socialism comes when you have no wealth to give and no desire to create wealth then the working folks will make sure that you live just like they do except every day is a vacation day. I can't wait to be able to quit my job and live on socialism!!
I'm trying to understand what you mean by the profit of your labor is stolen by someone other than the government to make themselves rich. I see how the government is doing that to me right now. Currently if I do work I get about 2/3 of what I have earned and the government steals the other 1/3. What are you talking about?
So according to this business people have no good reason to build large businesses. since making a profit is evil. In your crazy world, employing people who are willing to work for a designated amount in order to make money is wrong? Does it become clear to you at this point that this is the reason businesses and the wealthy leave socialist countries? Then the government does what the employer did but with one difference you can never be the success story in a socialist world. It kills all innovation and creativity that could change the world. like Apple, and Microsoft, Facebook, ect. these were ideas of people who were creative to make it big and they changed the world. If they had developed these ideas in a socialist society they would have left to a better place where they could profit from their ideas. Socialism is not good
The best thing about socialism is that it corrals most of life's resentful losers into a political party whose ideology is based on the creed of envy, the gospel of failure and the creed of failure.
It's inherent virtue is equal sharing of the misery it unfailingly creates wherever it is imposed by fanatical despots.
Life is a competition, and like all competitions there will be winners and losers.
Socialism is where the non-achieving failures congregate to shout their spiteful and meaningless blustering at the successful.
You’ve nailed it and of course if a man becomes a success in business the socialist thinks it’s a god given right that he and his fellows wasters have every right to take his business and wealth from him as Marx advised
I'm squeezin' semen juice like lemons in your eyes, but I won't get in that ass until lube is applied, Cause' you've denied that you wanna screw guys since you were five and I'll sky dive on top of you like I've got nine lives and let mine slide right up in your behind side.
The simple truth is that the social losers just don't have what it takes to be successful.
Quite correct. They are not motivated purely by their own greed and/or envy of others; they are not dishonest, shallow, self-obsessed or narcissistic; they prefer giving to taking, have personalities which do not qualify them as clinical psychopaths and possess sufficient self-esteem and intelligence not to measure their own worth by how much money they have in their bank accounts.
Quite correct. They are not motivated purely by their own greed and/or envy of others
Right. That's how in a future post you claim to have retired at age 20.
they are not dishonest, shallow, self-obsessed or narcissistic; they prefer giving to taking
You can't give much without wealth to give.
have personalities which do not qualify them as clinical psychopaths and possess sufficient self-esteem and intelligence not to measure their own worth by how much money they have in their bank accounts.
Actually, half the crap libs claim, are legally mental disorders according to psychology, and psychologists literally attempt to fix said disorders with therapy and medication.
I am not a Socialist. I am a supporter of the closest Capitalist system to Socialism; Social Democracy.
I will, however, explain their reasoning to you on this particular 'theft' angle:
They argue that money itself is something that the society constructed and thus it is that same society that those who make money owe. This is why it's called 'socialism'. Communism goes further in reasoning and revolves around an anarchic community, as opposed to a strategised society.
As an economic SYSTEM, it doesn't work for the reasons you articulated.. But, within a capitalist system, "socialism" has its place.. Of course, it depends on HOW you define socialism too.. For example, I think Social Security is a form of socialism.. Medicare is too.. Same thing with your local fire department and the interstate highway system..
But, when I've argued that point, I've been told that those are simply government services and NOT socialism.. Ok.. Under that definition, Medicare for ALL wouldn't be socialism either.. But, I'll bet those same people would say it is..
Social security is a socialist program and the government abuses it. If people put wealth away on their own example IRA without government it would be better for everyone but politicians.
Medicare is also heavily abused if the government wanted to do the right thing with healthcare they would open Government hospitals separate from the regular ones and those who didn't pay for insurance could go to them.
The fire dept is another thing which communities could ask the members of the community to support and it would be fine.
Socialist programs are not needed and no one should be required to give between 1/3 and 1/2 of their wealth to the ruling class so they can spend it like a bunch of drunken sailors.
Believe it or not volunteer community supported fire depts have been successfully defending communities for years before government intervention and support. When the alarms went off nobody looked to see if you were a supporter or not they just did the best they could with what they had. There is nothing bad or wrong in that.
You are an IDIOT ! Do you take FICA reductions from your employees there BUSINESS OWNER ? Does the BUSINESS OWNER know what FICA reductions are ? Come on SUPER STUPID BUSINESS OWNER and step up to the plate you LITTLE GURL
Socialism is wonderful if you’re an unemployed waster as it basically means if you get employment and sign a work contract your employer is really a thief and you and your fellow socialists have a duty to “ seize” his business and keep it for yourselves .
Incidentally I did say “ if you get employment “ this rarely happens as the socialist is a sponger who prefers to moan about the injustice of it all , it’s in their nature as Marx himself never did a days paid work in his miserable life
Socialism is wonderful if you’re an unemployed waster
Guys, here is a screenshot Mingiwuwu sent me. Before you take a word this nauseating racist moron (i.e. Jody) says seriously, I suggest you open it and have a look.
Guys, here is a screenshot Mingiwuwu sent me. Before you take a word this nauseating racist moron (i.e. Jody) says seriously, I suggest you open it and have a look.
Yes sure go open the link and have your account hacked , either way you and your buddy will say anything to deflect from your daily pms calling me a nigger ........good try buddy
The Mingiwuwu Organisation takes note that when acting offended and victimised at someone else using the N-word, Jody refers to the word as the actual offensive term and doesn't censor it.
Yes sure go open the link and have your account hacked
Obviously you have no idea what "hacking" is or how it works. You can't be hacked simply by navigating to a public image sharing website through your browser unless the host server is compromised. Shut your stupid, fat racist mouth.
Obviously you have no idea what "hacking" is or how it works. You can't be hacked simply by navigating to a public image sharing website through your browser unless the host server is compromised. Shut your stupid, fat racist mouth.
I’m an authority on the matter you racist dog , now run along like a good boy
Amusing is that you seem to believe anybody cares what a retard like you thinks. You are a grown man who spends his time calling people niggers on the internet. That sums up your level of intellectual prowess perfectly.
But you’re the liar , racist and retard you spend your day calling me a nigger just like your daddy Karl ......read it and sulk ......
Karl Marx to Engels......
It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a filthy n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.
Socialism is wonderful if you’re an unemployed waster
Socialism (particularly Marxism) is all about the struggle of the working class you ignorant nonce. It is specifically workers who are exploited because their labour is used to profit the class that does no work. Capitalism is a system where you are payed either way less or way more than you are worth.
your employer is really a thief
Yes, the 1% are thieves. This should not be some kind of twilight zone moment for you, you blockheaded dullard.
paying workers less than the value they create so you can profit is theft.
Taxing the public to bail out the 1% is theft.
And invading poor countries to take their resources and installing puppet regimes that allow the US to continue exploiting them is theft.
“ seize” his business and keep it for yourselves .
The earth's resources should belong to no one, and thus everyone. There will be no more "his" or "her" business, only the means of production to which everyone has access.
ncidentally I did say “ if you get employment “ this rarely happens as the socialist is a sponger who prefers to moan about the injustice of it all
Your retardation is impeccable. You have the form of a special olympics gold medalist sir. Literally the most brilliant people in modern history are socialists. Einstein and Nicola Tesla were socialists, name a single capitalist who achieved what they did. The true spongers are bankers, politicians, celebrities and corporations.
Marx himself never did a days paid work in his miserable life
You fucking donkey omg. You are just fgghfgjdfjdtjtyhdytjtyj soooooooooooo stupid. Marx was an economist, journalist and author. He wrote many articles and books including a 3 volume critique of capitalism called "Das Kapital" each volume of which is around 800 pages.
Yup. He worked tirelessly as a journalist in London for over a decade. Jody just says things. He doesn't give a shit whether they are actually true. He's just a child looking for a reaction.
In a famous speech on Labour’s Day on 1st May 1927, Hitler declared:
We are socialists. We are enemies of today’s capitalistic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
In a famous speech on Labour’s Day on 1st May 1927, Hitler declared:
We are socialists.
Hitler publicly lied about sympathising with socialism in order to win votes from the German left, you pathetically ignorant joke of a man. This is taught to children in junior school.
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
(Interview with Hitler, George Sylvester Viereck. The Guardian, 1923)
Chortle , chortle nice attempt at avoiding the truth ......
Adolf Hitler
“I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.
It is specifically workers who are exploited because their labour is used to profit the class that does no work. Capitalism is a system where you are payed either way less or way more than you are worth.
Yes Hitler agreed with the Marxist view
your employer is really a thief
Off course sign a work contract and then call him a “thief”
Yes, the 1% are thieves. This should not be some kind of twilight zone moment for you, you blockheaded dullard.
Thank you Adolf
paying workers less than the value they create so you can profit is theft.
Taxing the public to bail out the 1% is theft.
And invading poor countries to take their resources and installing puppet regimes that allow the US to continue exploiting them is theft.
Zzzzzzzz
The earth's resources should belong to no one,
Except socialists of course
and thus everyone. There will be no more "his" or "her" business, only the means of production to which everyone has access.*/
Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Your retardation is impeccable. You have the form of a special olympics gold medalist sir. Literally the most brilliant people in modern history are socialists. Einstein and Nicola Tesla
Telsa the wealthy capitalist is now a Marxist .......bwaaaaaahahahaha
name a single capitalist who achieved what they did
Sure , Telsa did as he was a ........capitalist
. The true spongers are bankers, politicians, celebrities and corporations.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
You fucking donkey omg. You are just fgghfgjdfjdtjtyhdytjtyj soooooooooooo stupid. Marx was an economist, journalist and author. He wrote many articles and books including a 3 volume critique of capitalism called "Das Kapital" each volume of which is around 800 pages.
Yes he wrote his “bible “ at home while Engels paid his bills through his very successful capitalist business as I said he sponged his way through life like the racist loafer he was
You are literally laughably stupid. Hitler killed millions of Communists, tried to invade Russia in the winter, and publicly declared his single greatest political aim as fighting Marxism in Europe. Open a history book you damned potato-brain.
Hitler "laid great stress" on the need to concentrate on a single enemy, an enemy he lumps together as "Marxism and the Jew."[111] Shortly in the wake of the Commissar Order, a directive pursuant to the German invasion of the Soviet Union, SS Deputy Reinhard Heydrich informed the SS of Hitler's geopolitical philosophy, which conflated Bolshevism and Jews, writing "eastern Jewry is the intellectual reservoir of Bolshevism and in the Führer's view must therefore be annihilated."[112]
You're a revisionist dickhead and thanks to your big racist mouth everyone knows you're both a liar and a racist. At this point all of your absurd lies can be passed off as the deliberately dishonest flamebait of a neo nazi troll from 4Chan.
You're a revisionist dickhead and thanks to your big racist mouth everyone knows you're both a liar and a racist. At this point all of your absurd lies can be passed off as the deliberately dishonest flamebait of a neo nazi troll from
Hitler merely praised your views Karl why so angry? Your views on Jews he totally shared but I’m afraid unlike you he was anti Maid raping