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 What is democratic socialism? (13)

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What is democratic socialism?

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An economic paradigm where the electorate have the supreme power over (thus the ownership of) the economy and the economic direction the country takes, with constitutional values that put standard of living for the many as the central economic objective.

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Democratic Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production (workplace democracy) with a limited, democratic government. It has recently started to be confused with social democracy, which is a regulated market economy with a larger state apparatus (which is still democratic) and a lot of social programs. The key difference is that social democracy still has a privatized economy, so instead of the workplace/means of production itself being democratic it is run by an "ownership class" of rich people who own businesses just like it is in regular capitalism. In America, there is a huge problem with people not knowing what "socialism" means. Democratic Socialism is a form of socialism (obviously) and as such it does not have a market economy, that was always the meaning of Democratic Socialism but nowadays people like Bernie Sanders are proposing what is blatantly not socialism in and of itself because the policies of these "liberal socialists" are nothing more than regulated welfare capitalism.

YeshuaBought(2441) Clarified
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Which one are you?...............................................................................................................................................

Pestilence(83) Clarified
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Which one are you?

I am more of a Democratic Socialist but that isn't exactly what I would call myself. My views are a blend of Socialism, Technocracy, and Libertarianism.

Again(230) Disputed
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Democratic Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production (workplace democracy)

That's just ordinary socialism you imbecile.

You're starting to get as bad as Amarel and MarcusMoon. Long, self-aggrandising paragraphs of laughably ignorant codswallop.

Chinaman(917) Clarified
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The collective is a good Communist term and in a Socialist world there is no such thing as a limited government

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What is democratic socialism?

It's just socialism which is reached through democratic apparatus rather than revolution.

In your view, does it differ from social democracy?............................................................................................................................

Again(230) Clarified
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In your view, does it differ from social democracy?

Kind of, yes. Social democracy is really about applying socialist principles to a capitalist state. It's about watering down capitalism to create a hybrid system. You could consider that to be a centrist position, whereas a democratic socialist would want classic socialism and hence would be on the left.

It can get more complex though, because not every democratic socialist wants a society which is uncompromisingly 100 percent socialist either. Some would be quite willing to water socialism down by applying capitalist principles. Hence, I suppose in theory you could have a democratic socialist and a social democrat who believe in exactly the same hybrid system but who identify as two different things politically.

Pestilence(83) Clarified
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In your view, does it differ from social democracy?

He is talking about how the system is achieved rather than what the system itself is so his answer would be both yes and no. It depends if the Social Democrat in question sees social democracy as the end goal or they are a soc-dem in the old sense of being a socialist who wants to transition to socialism gradually through democratic means. Social Democracy as a system in and of itself is regulated welfare capitalism, but the original social democrats saw that as a step in between capitalism and democratic socialism.

Chinaman(917) Clarified
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Socialism cannot be camouflaged but the Democrats try as they will to force that form of government on the people as they insulate themselves from it.